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Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?  
User currently offlineB777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 774 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11632 times:

Hi there - I recently returned from Europe and couldn't help but noticed how flight attendants, especially in Europe (i.e. AF/KLM), Asia (SQ, CX), or the Middle East (EK), were all literally good-looking. Has anyone noticed that? Would they really hire someone equally capable with below or average looks?

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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11617 times:

Depends which airline you go for. Asian carriers most definately go for looks but their education requirements are very strict but also many European Airlines have strict uniform and appearance standards (i.e jewellery, hair, facial hair, make up) which help make the crew look smarter. As a general rule, if the airline says send a full length photograph then they're probably focusing on looks.

User currently offlineMarcus380 From France, joined Feb 2006, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11591 times:

HI,

I have several Friends FA at AF and they explained me that there is no official "physical and look" (forbidden by french law) selection but there is a test where you have to show how your capacity to help, move, etc...which is quite subjective. it is during this test test that there is a look selection. There is also a minimum/maximum height and weight criteria.

cheers
Marcus


User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11561 times:

I think that on US airlines physical appearance / personality is not a criteria like it is in other countries. However it seems that physical appearance is more a criteria for women than men and that in a way is a form of discrimination.

User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11553 times:

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
Hi there - I recently returned from Europe and couldn't help but noticed how flight attendants, especially in Europe (i.e. AF/KLM), Asia (SQ, CX), or the Middle East (EK), were all literally good-looking. Has anyone noticed that? Would they really hire someone equally capable with below or average looks?

I had heard some people talk about the superiority of European FA's. Lucky for me I was able to sample a few flights last month and was quite amused to see that the generalization here on a.net really is a myth - the BA flights I was on: scruffy, overweight, old, miserable looking. That is purely just my perception of looks. As for their personality, what little we were exposed to, they seemed okay.

Now the Virgin flights were very different. On the outbound, the FA's we had upstairs were young and full of life. On the return, the FA's we had upstairs were older (but definitely not old - I mean maybe 30 instead of 20) and while very pleasant, they were definitely more "experienced" - their personality seemed more practiced and less genuine, if you know what I mean.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11528 times:

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
Do You Have To Be Good-looking To Become A FA?

Not at DL.  Wink


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4749 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11514 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 5):
Not at DL.

Or any US carrier for that matter, have you seen what flies for AA?



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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11494 times:

It is considered Discrimination in the US if you go solely by looks. However the EU and Asian carriers generally hire for looks. I have had several flights on non-US carriers and the FA's are much more attractive.


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User currently offlineB777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11403 times:

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 7):
It is considered Discrimination in the US if you go solely by looks.

Yes, that's the reason why I think a lot of the american flight attendants are not as good-looking as their asian/european counterparts. However, as Marcus380 pointed out, there are more subjective ways to select flight attendants without invoking a discrimination lawsuit, you know?


User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11389 times:

I don´t think so...I´ve seen many non-good-looking FA´s in many airlines!


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User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11336 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 6):
Or any US carrier for that matter, have you seen what flies for AA?

Two exceptions to the rule are F9 & B6. Most of my F9 flights & B6 flights, the FA's are good looking, young and full of energy.


User currently offlineEasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11283 times:

I recently found a photo of my mother's graduating class from the stewardess school - circa 1966.

I was astounded at what I saw. Every single one of them was gorgeous.

What a pleasure it must've been to fly on Eastern Airlines in the late 1960's!



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9638 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11283 times:

First off, with the exception of certain geographic regions, I would say that Americans as a whole aren't as good looking as Europeans or Asians. It might come across as discrimination, but Americans tend to be more overweight. So your selection pool is different, so even if the same standards were in place in all three places, you would still get more attractive flight attendants in certain parts of the world. However I do think that there is more bias than demographic differences alone.

Quoting Semsem (Reply 3):
However it seems that physical appearance is more a criteria for women than men and that in a way is a form of discrimination.

I'm not so sure. I've never seen an overweight male flight attendant, but plenty of overweight females. It is also fairly easy to restrict overweight males from applying by not supplying oversized uniforms and keeping the largest pant size on the smaller end.



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User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11266 times:

Quoting Khobar (Reply 4):
I had heard some people talk about the superiority of European FA's. Lucky for me I was able to sample a few flights last month and was quite amused to see that the generalization here on a.net really is a myth - the BA flights I was on: scruffy, overweight, old, miserable looking. That is purely just my perception of looks. As for their personality, what little we were exposed to, they seemed okay.

Now the Virgin flights were very different. On the outbound, the FA's we had upstairs were young and full of life. On the return, the FA's we had upstairs were older (but definitely not old - I mean maybe 30 instead of 20) and while very pleasant, they were definitely more "experienced" - their personality seemed more practiced and less genuine, if you know what I mean

Shall we be forced to retire at 27 maybe?

A sad fact of life i'm afraid. If we are recruited at 25 and wish to stay for 20 years then why the hell shouldn't we?

Looking scruffy or miserable is another case.

But then again, scruffiness or being miserable is something completely seperate to 'looks'.

Let's face it, a 22 year old international catwalk model can look scruffy and miserable.

Got nothing to do with 'looks' at all.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11252 times:

What I've noticed recently in looking at F/A appearance is that it is not that they are ugly (male or female) it is that the uniforms most of them have on the domestic carriers in the US are just bad. And there are some uniform combinations that just look awful (like the shorts and pantyhose combo some F/As like to wear). Very bland colors, poor fabrics, bad tailoring, etc. You give them a stylish, comfortable uniform most of the cabin crew would look much much better. I would gather that the crews wouldn't mind more stylish uniforms either, given that they wouldn't be prohibitively expensive for them to get and maintain.

I generally don't care if the flight attendant is a stunner or not. They're there to serve me and provide for my safety, not give me a lap dance.



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11179 times:

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 7):
It is considered Discrimination in the US if you go solely by looks. However the EU and Asian carriers generally hire for looks.

Same in Europe, but there are easy ways around that.
Require a photo in the application and reject the bad looking ones on some other ground ("sorry, we don't think based on your profile that you'd fit in our team", "sorry, we have enough applicants at this time but we've saved your resume for the future", etc. etc.)/
During the interview (if the applicant makes it that far) looks can also be easily gauged and reasons made up to reject people who don't look good "enough".

It's the same with every restriction placed on job criteria.
Age discrimination is also against the law, but is just as easy to do and hide.
Just claim you're a "dynamic team" and then reject older people because you "don't think you'll fit into the team". Standard rejection clause in IT for anyone over 30 (as I've experienced a lot when I was out of a job a few years ago).

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 14):
I generally don't care if the flight attendant is a stunner or not. They're there to serve me and provide for my safety, not give me a lap dance.

Well said. Competence and customer centric attitude are far more important than good looks.



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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11123 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 14):
They're there to serve me and provide for my safety, not give me a lap dance.

What?? Dang, nobody told me. I'm gonna have to stop carrying so much cash and flashing it at the flight attendants when I fly.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11066 times:
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Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
Has anyone noticed that? Would they really hire someone equally capable with below or average looks?

I did recruitment in 1999 and 2000. We used to hold an open house in several cities around the country. I used to have criteria of what I used to look for.
1. Appearance: How a person looked in the clothing they picked out. If it looked conservative, professional and looked like someone took pride in their appearance. That's the first impression
2. Presentation: The way they present themselves.
3. Attentiveness: Are they paying attention, of which i'd find out duringthe quick one on one.
4. Disposition: Are they happy? Do they look hapy to be here?
5. Approachability: Would a customer feel comfortable asking this person for help?
6. Qualifications: What kind of experiance did they have and did they meet the minimum qualifications?

During the initial screening after the cattle call, I had a piece of paper with 10 words on it. If the candidate mentioned 2 of those words(in no order of importance), I would recommend them for the 1 on 1.
1. Teamwork
2. Safety
3. Awareness
4. Adaptable
5. Empathy
6. Approachability
7. Culture
8. Professionalism
9. Honest
10. Dependabilty
Looks, or any other physical entity, never entered into the equation. I turned down women and men who "looked" the part of a fight attendant, but just didn't get it. It was all about them and had nothing to say about helping or doing things for others or their fellow crewmembers. Some of the girls were drop-dead georgous, but I didn't listen to my penis. I picked candidates with substance over flash and charisma.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 14):
give me a lap dance.

That would be interesting.



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User currently offlineJammin From India, joined Nov 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11056 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 14):
You give them a stylish, comfortable uniform most of the cabin crew would look much much better.

True, true. I believe most people can become good looking also by simply smiling. Personality shines through a lot more than makeup does.  yes 



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User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11056 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
First off, with the exception of certain geographic regions, I would say that Americans as a whole aren't as good looking as Europeans or Asians. It might come across as discrimination, but Americans tend to be more overweight. So your selection pool is different, so even if the same standards were in place in all three places, you would still get more attractive flight attendants in certain parts of the world. However I do think that there is more bias than demographic differences alone.

Quoting Semsem (Reply 3):However it seems that physical appearance is more a criteria for women than men and that in a way is a form of discrimination.
I'm not so sure. I've never seen an overweight male flight attendant, but plenty of overweight females. It is also fairly easy to restrict overweight males from applying by not supplying oversized uniforms and keeping the largest pant size on the smaller end.

Very interesting what you say about americans generally being more over weight.. This has nothing to do with looks in the end but personal lifestyle and the food thats eaten.. If i lived in America and had to eat the food there i too would put on a few kilos ...Unfortunately nearly every American restaurant i have been to give QUANTITY over QUALITY ..



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User currently offlineMorrirvolando From Puerto Rico, joined Aug 2006, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11019 times:

what is the general cut off age for new recruits?

User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3629 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10890 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
First off, with the exception of certain geographic regions, I would say that Americans as a whole aren't as good looking as Europeans or Asians. It might come across as discrimination, but Americans tend to be more overweight. So your selection pool is different

I actually agree with this - I don't think it's discrimination if what you're saying is actually true. (We are statistically more overweight than all Asian countries I know of.)

I just flew JAL to Japan a month or so ago. I didn't think their F/A's were anything other than average looking Japanese. The Japanese in general are in pretty good shape, and because the culture is basically homogeneous, there's not usually a huge amount of height variation. So it really is more a question of face, and that is highly subjective, but to me, most of the JAL F/A's I saw were no better or worse looking than an average Japanese. But they were better looking than most American F/A's simply because they tend to be younger (Japanese flight attendants don't stick around too long - it's cultural. It's thought of as a young person's job) and because the Japanese in general are less overweight than Americans.

So I doubt there's any more or less thought given to looks in other countries than there is in the US. I think to an extent, every hiring manager subconsciously considers looks even if he/she tries to avoid it for legal or other reasons. But I think most American F/A's look basically like average Americans, just as most Asian F/A's look basically like average Asians.



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10851 times:

Quoting BAStew (Reply 13):
Shall we be forced to retire at 27 maybe?

OK. Maybe you can stay until 35 as long as you don't have kids.

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 7):
It is considered Discrimination in the US if you go solely by looks.

I'm not aware of any law that says you can't discriminate based upon looks. I know that sex, race, religion, age, and national origin are protected classes but to the best of my knowledge looks aren't. Can anyone point me to some law that says otherwise?


User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10747 times:

Well beauty is "relative".........., agree the uniforms are just blaaaa for the most part so they do not help at all and age does not count as I have seen some extremely h... 40's/50's year old grrrr but yes there are airlines were "looks" are on top of the list, ever seen these "top models" w/o make up?? whuuuuu

Cheers,


User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10701 times:

Well I know that this probably means nothing but, when I applied for QX, I origionaly was trying to get a ticket counter job and working at the gate. I got the job and when I was in SEA getting ready for training, the ladie that was working with me here in FAT to interview me said she would rather have me work as an FA because she said I looked really nice and would have the appeal to be one. I declined naturally because of wanting to be home in California and not hopping around.


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25 Post contains images TG992 : Yes - because I got hired
26 Post contains images BA : Not only have I noticed how flight attendants on airlines from Europe and the Middle East tend to be very young, but especially in the case of the Mid
27 NYCAAer : You sure don't have to be good-looking anymore at U.S. carriers, not since 1969 or so. Just look at what's flying around these days. Sometimes I think
28 IAirAllie : I've seen gorgeous FA's on every airline I've ever been on and unattractive FA's. That includes the asian carriers although they were all very well gr
29 Post contains images Tonytifao : GOL has some nice looking ones
30 Jetdeltamsy : You've got to remember that almost everyone is good looking to someone. The people who recruit flight attendants are generally flight attendants in m
31 AirWillie6475 : The standards in the U.S are very low(thanks to equal employment laws) because being an FA is not as glamorous as it used to be so naturally ladies ar
32 MotorHussy : It's always advantageous when looking for a high profile, public-face-of-the-company job to be, as you put it, good looking. If two people, equally qu
33 Higherflyer : My sister is a flight attendant for one of the US legacy carriers. In the late 80's, she and her friends had to meet strict weight limits in order to
34 ReidYYZ : One thing's for sure, the guy doing the hiring at Jetsgo, was not gay. I do indeed miss the thigh length fake leather jackets and the Oh-so-green mini
35 BCAL : So you are saying that for FAs, retirement must be compulsory at 30 when they are 'old' and less full of life? Well I would much, much rather have an
36 Swissy : Could not agree more, specially waiting at Timis in T3 (very slow service) made my waiting extremely easy.......... Cheers,
37 BAStew : Why do you think it is that some airlines always have a constant recruitment drive for young people? Because their turnover is so high and they can't
38 Wunala : I would much rather have a f/a who loved their job, than one who though was too pretty to do what they were paid to do.
39 Kelebek : I guess it was more important some years ago.. Nowadays it's not a real criteria anymore (what I think to be a good developement). Actually I can jus
40 LTBEWR : F/A's are on board for safety first and customer service second, not for sexual opportunites. There is no doubt that until the late 1980's high levels
41 Post contains images NWOrientDC10 : If not you should be As a UM pax from the mid 1970's to the early 1980's and as a young adult in the mid to late 1980's, I noticed the stewardesses w
42 Naritaflyer : Looks is definitely key in Japan and other airlines around the region. You can teach safety procedures to anyone but you can't "teach" people to be go
43 Comeflywithme : Last SAS flight I flew on most of the FA's looked as if they should be collecting their pension. Probably were stunners back in the seventies.
44 Sunking737 : I did not read all the replys, but have you seen some of the F/A's flying today... GRANDMA'S. Get some younger girls, my god. I even told my ex-boss a
45 Supa7E7 : It is completely legal in the USA to discriminate against ugly people. Saying you are 4/10 on the hotness scale can probably qualify as a professional
46 AirTran717 : Since when does a person's looks have anything to do with their capability to do their job? Sure, there is a perception value. But really... are beaut
47 Post contains images SkyexRamper : In the USA, that's is a BIG no.
48 SkyHigh777 : wow has anyone flown on any of the South American airlines? They have to be one of the hottest FA's around, particularly LAN and TAM...give it a try y
49 HBJZA : In Switzerland the employer doesn't have to tell the reason for not hiring someone. You just invite someone for an interview or whatever and then send
50 DesertJets : I think several people hit the nail on the head. At least in the Western world being a flight attendant is no longer the glamorous job it once was 20
51 1stfl94 : Has anyone ever seen the requirements for working at Kingfisher Airlines. The job is called 'Flying Model', I guess we know what they're looking for.
52 Supa7E7 : True that. In rich Western countries, women have a lot of options. Customer service second? I have to say American service ethos hits a new low with
53 Comeflywithme : Joking aside I can understand why airlines use the more senior of age FA's. They see it as an advantage to re-employ the older types after they have h
54 SkyHigh777 : I'm not asking for all the flight attendants on every airline to be models, but I do think that they should be well groomed and presentable whenever t
55 SkyHigh777 : Double post...don't know how that happened[Edited 2006-11-14 20:07:01]
56 EWRCabincrew : I am of average looks, not there for eye candy (unless you feel what I look like is eye candy), but can guaranteed make sure your flight is comfortabl
57 1stfl94 : So what about the Caledonian Girl's adverts and all the Singapore Girls adverts?
58 Bisbee : Well you be the judge, I recently was on a flight that had a flight attendant that looked like Mr. Drysdales assistant Jane on the Beverly Hillbillies
59 FCAFLYBOY : I think CO takes the biscuit there - the flights I've been on have been like an ad for a retirement home. Though, to be fair, the service was fantast
60 FlyDeltaJets : I agree most of our senior FA's are not beauty queens but the new hires, DL Connex and the former Song F/A's werent that bad looking.
61 Aloha73G : Based on what I observed at Hawaiian during my training I would have to say that Hawaiian does not hire based on looks....they hire people with great
62 EWRCabincrew : It is the same with any other customer service job. The bank teller did her job well, but GOOD GOD was she butt ugly. I'll never bank there again. (Ba
63 MotorHussy : Please refer back to the previous para of my post where I said "I think there is an issue when the less qualified or less suited gets the role contin
65 MotorHussy : LOL, are you coming on to me? Flattered! MH
66 Spacecadet : That's a very American attitude. Remember that approximately 95% of the population of the world lives somewhere else, and many of those people have e
67 Jetjack74 : That's why I believe that safety is less important than image at these lavish foreign carriers. Personally, I find that many of our senior flight att
68 IAirAllie : Until they or someone they love has a heart attack or something goes wrong ie AF in YYZ.
69 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : Anytime, MH!!! That is exactly why flight attendants are onboard. Safety is always first and foremost. Being an American or not. Service is secondary
70 1stfl94 : On what basis? Just because an airline crew have obviously made an effort to look doesn't mean that they don't put safety first. And think about, som
71 EWRCabincrew : Well said!!! Especially when used in context to what Spacecadet wrote in his first paragraph in post 66.[Edited 2006-11-15 23:44:46]
72 MotorHussy : On this note, I believe it is very important to have a ratio of male cabin crew. One flight, I was knocked near unconscious on take-off by a brief ca
73 Jetjack74 : Trust me my friend, i've flown on alot of airlines, and as flight attendant, I watch these crews like a hawk. I can tell you, while i'm very impresse
74 1stfl94 : I would suggest that you look up what happened to the cabin crew on Singapore flight 006 then get back to me
75 BA787 : You havent seen some of the BaCon and BY ones then lol. I think its unfair to discriminate that way though, whether theyre old as a goat or ugly as b
76 Post contains images Treg : Don't you know the joke: What happens to the FAs, when they retire? They will be hired by SAS
77 Post contains links Jammin : Hmmm, don't see what your point is there. Are you trying to support the SQ crew in a positive way? That incident with SQ 006 doesn't really promote t
78 Texdravid : The only airline in the U.S. that has consistently good looking FA's is Southwest Airlines. Beyond that, they are young, perky, and very nice and make
79 Shinkai : it is against the law in the US to discriminate based on looks.. so if an airline turns anyone down without a good reason, the airline will be in tro
80 1stfl94 : " target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapo...t_006 I was only referring to the cabin crew, it was the only accident I could think of out of
81 BEG2IAH : I flew on American Eagle the other day. A/C was Saab 340B, and F/A was "a person of size" or to be precise person of three average persons' sizes. I t
82 JeffrySkY : I find this statement of yours presumptious, illogical and racist. It suggests to me that you have a stereotype of Asian FAs as "ditzy, weak" individ
83 Ryanair!!! : Which explains why while the route is prestigious to the airline, it is not very popular with the crew. While there were some crew who were allegedly
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