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Air India To Lease 4 Boeing Widebody Aircraft  
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10443 times:

Air India recently announced that it will dry-lease 3 Boeing aircraft from Montrose Global Capial LLC.

The Indian airline has signed a LOI for a lease three Boeing 747-400's. The aircraft will join the AI fleet in February and March 2007. Any idea where these aircraft will come from; some have said they are to get one from NZ?

Air India will also wet lease a Boeing 767-300ER from FlyGlobespan. Any idea which aircraft will be leased?

The B763 will be flown on BOM-DEL-BKK and BOM-DEL-KUL routes from Nov 22. I was under the impression that Flyglobespan needed their 763's to begin new services to international destinations such as CPT?

Air India will also extend the lease on two A310-300 aircraft which are on dry lease up to February and April of next year.

Source:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/414353.cms
http://business.techwhack.com/1363/montrose-global-capital-llc/


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What will happen to the remaining 744's in the fleet; perhaps someone could clear this up!?

Rob!  wave 

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User currently offlineDk001 From Ireland, joined Dec 2003, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10401 times:

Their are 3 B747-400 Series (ex-United Airlines) currently stored at Victorville.

according to the CH Avaition website 2 of these are earmarked for air india.

(N185UA) & (N106UA)


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10259 times:

I am not sure what is to happen to the B744s but AI is going to start taking deliveries of their new B772LR and 773ER starting in march 2007.


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User currently onlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10233 times:

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
The B763 will be flown on BOM-DEL-BKK and BOM-DEL-KUL routes from Nov 22. I was under the impression that Flyglobespan needed their 763's to begin new services to international destinations such as CPT?

GSM do really need two B763's this winter - one at MAN and the other at GLA. But I guess they may cut soem flights and try and get by with 1 B763 and maybe send a B738 across the pond again



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8287 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9964 times:
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I thought they were leasing more ex-UA 777's. It seems Air India can't get their new planes fast enough. They could have leased 3 MD-11's Boeing is leasing to TAM, but I guess they didn't like that idea.

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9743 times:

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
What will happen to the remaining 744's in the fleet

Good question...I don't know.

But I would like to know what the fate of that 743 is in the photo you posted.



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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2249 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9524 times:
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You are right, 1 744 is coming from NZ. Most likely to be ZK-SUH or I.

I have heard the 763 to be leased is their latest addition G-CEFG which is ex NZ ZK-NCH.

NZ1


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2885 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9415 times:

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
What will happen to the remaining 744's in the fleet; perhaps someone could clear this up!?

About the leased 747-400 aircraft

VT-AIQ has been returned on 16th Oct 06 and has been deregistered.
VT-AIC is in Pusan and will be handed over to Koreanair, will be
deregistered as they accept it back.
VT-AID will be leaving for Pusan in Nov.[perhaps is on ts last flight]

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 4):
They could have leased 3 MD-11's Boeing is leasing to TAM, but I guess they didn't like that idea.

That would be brilliant an MD-11 in the colours of AI---but i think the inexperience with that aircraft type made them go for the above deal.

Karan


User currently offlineBMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 860 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9412 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 3):
But I guess they may cut soem flights and try and get by with 1 B763 and maybe send a B738 across the pond again

Isn't this going to cause problems though if the 767 does tech? Surely they would be better off keeping the 2 767s while they are starting flights and trying to gain market share?



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User currently offlinePsimpson From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9232 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 7):
About the leased 747-400 aircraft

VT-AIQ has been returned on 16th Oct 06 and has been deregistered.
VT-AIC is in Pusan and will be handed over to Koreanair, will be
deregistered as they accept it back.
VT-AID will be leaving for Pusan in Nov.[perhaps is on ts last flight]

Thanks for that info, i had a feeling that AI may have returned some B747s as their flights into LHR during the past 7-10 days have been delayed or cancelled, probably due to aircraft shortage.


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9217 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 3):
try and get by with 1 B763 and maybe send a B738 across the pond again

They won't need to do that when they get their B752 for trans atlantic services.



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User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8051 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 7):

VT-AIQ has been returned on 16th Oct 06 and has been deregistered.
VT-AIC is in Pusan and will be handed over to Koreanair, will be
deregistered as they accept it back.
VT-AID will be leaving for Pusan in Nov.[perhaps is on ts last flight]

I wonder what scheduled services they have still have in place. I know they had cut back on their LAX services.

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 10):
They won't need to do that when they get their B752 for trans atlantic services.

B752 ????


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7965 times:

Does anyone know the registration for the AI B773ER that they will start to get next year? How many are joining the fleet besides the 4 B772LR?


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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7758 times:

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 12):
Does anyone know the registration for the AI B773ER that they will start to get next year? How many are joining the fleet besides the 4 B772LR?

Well the first 772LR's will be VT-ALA/B/C/D. I am unsure of the registrations of the 77W's.

4 more 772LR's will also arrive (after the four above) and there will also be 15 77W's and 27 787-8's.

Quoting Manny (Reply 11):
B752 ????

Yes, Flyglobespan will operate the 752 on transaltantic routes. Two will come from Excel Airways. They will be G-VKNB and G-VKNC. (Older machines). I'm not sure if they will receive any others.

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):
I have heard the 763 to be leased is their latest addition G-CEFG which is ex NZ ZK-NCH.

Yes, that is true  Smile

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 7):
About the leased 747-400 aircraft

VT-AIQ has been returned on 16th Oct 06 and has been deregistered.
VT-AIC is in Pusan and will be handed over to Koreanair, will be
deregistered as they accept it back.
VT-AID will be leaving for Pusan in Nov.[perhaps is on ts last flight]

Thanks Karan for the update. I've flown on VT-AIQ/C/D before; will be a shame to see them go.  Sad

Any idea on any new operators for these 744's?

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7732 times:

What routes are planned for the 772LRs and 77W's?? AI hasn't said anything, i am guessing.


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User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1785 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7654 times:

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 14):
What routes are planned for the 772LRs and 77W's?? AI hasn't said anything

Me wildly guessing.

772LR

BOM-JFK
BOM-EWR
BOM-ORD
DEL-JFK
DEL-YYZ
DEL-YVR
BLR-SFO



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User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7605 times:

Would love to see AIs B773ER at IAD. I wonder if they will announce that as well.

for the 777-200LR, I think DEL-LAX would be given preference over DEL-YVR, what do you think?



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User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7600 times:

Quoting Dk001 (Reply 1):
Their are 3 B747-400 Series (ex-United Airlines) currently stored at Victorville.

Anybody familiar with the term rustbuckets.  Wink


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7551 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 15):
BOM-JFK
BOM-EWR
BOM-ORD
DEL-JFK
DEL-YYZ
DEL-YVR

I'd strongly recommend BOM-YYZ instead of DEL-YYZ. The reaons are obvious and the current DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ is doing just fine for them.
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2885 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7498 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 15):
DEL-YYZ
DEL-YVR



Quoting Aseem (Reply 18):
I'd strongly recommend BOM-YYZ instead of DEL-YYZ. The reaons are obvious and the current DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ is doing just fine for them.

I dont think India-Canada has it in it to support a non-stop market year round especially on the premim side of things[ atleast from the Indian side . ]---i know AC did pretty well but remember YYZ is their largest hub and at that time they were the only ones to operate non-stop on the India-N.america route.

AI should continuoe with their DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ service making it into an efficient daily operations and YVR if ever served should also be served from North India via another country like MAN/BHX/PEK/HKG etc...

Karan


User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7480 times:

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
Thanks Karan for the update. I've flown on VT-AIQ/C/D before; will be a shame to see them go.

Any idea on any new operators for these 744's?

I think all of them are being converted to freighters-- the Korean Air birds anyway.



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7412 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 7):
VT-AID will be leaving for Pusan in Nov.[perhaps is on ts last flight]

I saw AID at LHR on Monday 13th. Is EVB going to be in the fleet for the forseeable future? It was on stand next to us and the paint is getting a bit rough, particularly the red from the tail was running down the rear fuselage, and was almost as dirty as an AF machine...

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 19):
I dont think India-Canada has it in it to support a non-stop market year round especially on the premim side of things[ atleast from the Indian side . ]---i know AC did pretty well but remember YYZ is their largest hub and at that time they were the only ones to operate non-stop on the India-N.america route.

AI should continuoe with their DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ service making it into an efficient daily operations and YVR if ever served should also be served from North India via another country like MAN/BHX/PEK/HKG etc...

There is a large Indian community here and I believe there may be enough traffic for maybe 3 weekly flights like KE & SQ do, but i agree it would probably work better via another city, probably Europe like LHR, MAN or CDG.



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7357 times:

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 21):
Is EVB going to be in the fleet for the forseeable future?

The six -437s (ESM ESN ESO ESP EVA EVB) are not going anywhere.


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2946 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7334 times:

Quoting DIA (Reply 5):
But I would like to know what the fate of that 743 is in the photo you posted.

Actually, they are 74D (combis) and they make a living on the India-NRT route. Hopefully, something else will crop up in Japan soon.


User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7247 times:

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 12):
Does anyone know the registration for the AI B773ER that they will start to get next year? How many are joining the fleet besides the 4 B772LR?

772LR Feb,Mar,Apr '07
773ER Jun,Jul,Aug '07



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User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7246 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 24):

772LR Feb,Mar,Apr '07
773ER Jun,Jul,Aug '07

With that schedule AI could have a daily nonstop flights working on SFO-BLR by By March. They will make a killing on this route.


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