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Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'  
User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2139 posts, RR: 56
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10681 times:

A glass-is-half-full thread, to counter the other glass-is-half-empty thread  Smile

http://www.fin24.co.za/articles/comp...2=comp&ArticleID=1518-1783_2029840

Quote:
"The chances that we will buy Airbus A380 are as good as ever. We have absolutely no doubt that EADS will resolve the problems surrounding the project," German newspaper Handelsblatt quoted BA chief executive Willie Walsh as saying in an advance extract of an interview to be published on Tuesday.

"There are good arguments for us to buy a few Airbus A380s," he said, adding that BA would need at least 10 of the jets to run its long-haul services efficiently.


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User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10491 times:

Thanks for giving a clear picture of what Willie Walsh said about the A380... so know, even though he says the A380 would slow down LHR (as said in the other half-thread), BA isn't against the idea of the A380.... they actually have come up with a number figure for what they would initially order... This just confirms what I've being thinking all along.... that the A380 will be a part of BA's fleet....


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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10464 times:

A real spanner in the works for all the doubters out there, methinks. Anyone who thinks the A380 is a dead horse should really think again.

I know it doesn't prove anyone right or wrong (a time will come for that) but it sure is a much-needed boost for Airbus' morale.

Karl


User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10390 times:

Its a mess at the moment but once they solve the problems its going to sell more and more. I also think some airlines might jump in now and order it at the lower price.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21420 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10367 times:

Or he's just trying to get a better deal from Boeing. After all, isn't that what people say when it's the other way around?

I still don't think it makes sense for them, but hey, he's the chief and I'm not, so if he thinks there are 4-6 routes where they could use it effectively year round, then he must know.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10311 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
Or he's just trying to get a better deal from Boeing. After all, isn't that what people say when it's the other way around?

I still don't think it makes sense for them, but hey, he's the chief and I'm not, so if he thinks there are 4-6 routes where they could use it effectively year round, then he must know.

Yields on one of BA's more lucrative routes LHR-HKG are getting trounced on now with so many carriers entering the fray.....

LHR-SYD/MEL, which was once one of BA's biggest routes has seen a loss of MEL and a downgrade of 1 of the 2 daily 747's to SYD down to a 777...

The same thing is on LHR-NYC..where there is so much competition now with MaxJet, and SA)">DL commencing a 2nd JFK-LGW route next year...

LHR-JNB is a big route, but even SA is saying that JNB-LHR isn't enough for them to get an A380....

That being said, there is a potential to see BA order maybe a "dozen or so" A380's down the line..but I think that would be tops............

My guess though would be on 77W and 748I...



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9841 posts, RR: 96
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10155 times:
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Quoting WingedMigrator (Thread starter):
There are good arguments for us to buy a few Airbus A380s,"

Maybe he likes the idea of reducing everyone else's capacity at LHR?  biggrin 

Regards


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9117 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10065 times:

What about ordering a mixture of A 380 and B 747-8 to replace their B 747-400s?

User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2445 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10001 times:

From the article: "British Airways currently uses only Boeings but is planning to upgrade its fleet."

Really? Are all those BA A320s just sitting around as decoration at Heathrow?

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 2):
Anyone who thinks the A380 is a dead horse should really think again.

Most of us don't think it's a dead horse. Just a somewhat sickly one.  worried 


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6841 posts, RR: 64
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9958 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
LHR-JNB is a big route, but even SA is saying that JNB-LHR isn't enough for them to get an A380....

Because, I think, that was their [i]only[i] route where it was needed. While it might not be cost effective for SAA to buy one or two for one route, BA would have several routes that would sustain A380s of which LHR-JNB would be one.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
That being said, there is a potential to see BA order maybe a "dozen or so" A380's down the line..but I think that would be tops............

I'm sure Airbus would not see a BA order for "a dozen" A380s as a disappointment or an insult...  Wink


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1079 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9912 times:

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 8):
Most of us don't think it's a dead horse. Just a somewhat sickly one.

As long as it doesn't receive a round of horse medicine.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9912 times:

I do not see 747-8Is at BAW.
Probably they will order A380s , 777-300ERs , and 787s.


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6841 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9881 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 11):
Probably they will order A380s , 777-300ERs , and 787s.

That would be my guess. In fact, I'd say it's almost a given. We all but know that the 777W is coming, the 787 seems almost inevitable and I'm one of those who see the A380 as likely. With their existing fleet of 777-200ERs (and 744s for a few more years) that should cover pretty much all routes. A 748i would be one new model too many - in my strictly amateur opinion.


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3311 posts, RR: 40
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9807 times:

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 8):
From the article: "British Airways currently uses only Boeings but is planning to upgrade its fleet."

Really? Are all those BA A320s just sitting around as decoration at Heathrow?

I think the article means BA's long haul fleet is all Boeing.

Despite all this, I would be wary until I see some orders confirmed for the mighty a380 by BA. I would love to see a BA colours on a 773 and a380!



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User currently offlineBALAX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 9602 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
The same thing is on LHR-NYC..where there is so much competition now with MaxJet, and SA)">DL commencing a 2nd JFK-LGW route next year...

DL's JFK-LGW route is not a threat to BA, 2 different airports, LHR is still preferred. The same applies to MaxJet to Stansted. I really don't see DL's route as a gold mine.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 9542 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 2):
Anyone who thinks the A380 is a dead horse should really think again.

It is a bit big for a horse JakTrax, dead, sick or raring to go.  angel  The saga of the A380 just rolls on and on, it is better than the average soap opera.

We should run a book on the next topics on the A380 to win over 50 posts, no hang on, they would be self-fulfilling prophesies.


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 9527 times:

Hm. Let's think about this. He complains about separation issues with the A380, yet he says BA should/could buy a few.
IMO, this really shows how good the A380 is, especially CASM-wise.



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11959 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9380 times:

Quoting WingedMigrator (Thread starter):
A glass-is-half-full thread, to counter the other glass-is-half-empty thread

Maybe the glass is twice as big as it needs to be?  Smile

Quoting N754PR (Reply 3):
Its a mess at the moment but once they solve the problems its going to sell more and more. I also think some airlines might jump in now and order it at the lower price.

Airbus is in financial trouble. Does it make sense for them to be lowering prices?

Quoting N754PR (Reply 3):
your a sad, sad man.

I think you mean "you're a sad, sad man".

Quoting Baroque (Reply 15):
We should run a book on the next topics on the A380 to win over 50 posts, no hang on, they would be self-fulfilling prophesies.

Right. You go ahead and do this, and I'll start the thread: "Rumor: Airbus Workers Having Sex on A380"!  Smile



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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9284 times:

Well he's blowing hot and cold, which confirms one thing, BA are looking for new jets..... but we knew that.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
The same thing is on LHR-NYC..where there is so much competition now with MaxJet, and SA)">DL commencing a 2nd JFK-LGW route next year...

You forget to mention UA pulling out of that route though. Probably the most significant of the 3 changes to BA.

I could see a small fleet of A380s working for BA. Wouldn't pay too much attention to anything that is said up until an order goes through though.


User currently offlineSparkingWave From South Korea, joined Jun 2005, 668 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9239 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
Or he's just trying to get a better deal from Boeing. After all, isn't that what people say when it's the other way around?

Actually, he might be trying to get a better deal from Airbus, since they're not in the best situation right now, and they lost the sale of 10 A380s to FedEx. These carrot statements might entice Airbus, since they can't offer these planes on time at the initial profit they hoped for.

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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9027 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 9):
Because, I think, that was their only[i] route where it was needed. While it might not be cost effective for SAA to buy one or two for one route, BA would have several routes that would sustain A380s of which LHR-JNB would be one.

True, that is why I listed a few routes and why I think BA [i]might possibly buy the A380....

Quoting PM (Reply 9):
I'm sure Airbus would not see a BA order for "a dozen" A380s as a disappointment or an insult...  Wink

Given how Airbus (especially Leahy) incessantly claimed carriers would switch 1:1 from the B744 to the A380, selling a "dozen or so" would certainly be a disappointment or an insult..... Wink

Quoting BALAX (Reply 14):
DL's JFK-LGW route is not a threat to BA, 2 different airports, LHR is still preferred. The same applies to MaxJet to Stansted. I really don't see DL's route as a gold mine.

It still falls under "New York - London"...many many pax don't mind if its LGW, LHR, STN..even LTN.....and the fact MaxJet and Eos Airlines are still around (and expanding) shows that there are alternatives to flying LHR....not only that, the fact UA pulled out of the route just goes to show how competitive New York - London route is.....

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 18):
You forget to mention UA pulling out of that route though. Probably the most significant of the 3 changes to BA.

UA had only one flight to LHR...but there has been a net increase seats during the past year to year and a half on the New York - London route.



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User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8647 times:

Don't forget, BA, like SQ, has their planes configured in a very low-density way. IF they did get A380s, they would probably put more F and J class seats in, rather than cramming it full of economy seats. So there wouldn't be a huge increase in capacity overall, but on routes where they think they can get more premium traffic, the A380 could work well. But, to paraphrase, it ain't over until the fat lady orders (no offence BA!)

User currently offlineMorvious From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 706 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8506 times:

BAW was never really in the buying mood since the A380 was launched. Now they need new planes they just look better to airplanes availible and what other carriers are doing.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 20):
Given how Airbus (especially Leahy) incessantly claimed carriers would switch 1:1 from the B744 to the A380, selling a "dozen or so" would certainly be a disappointment or an insult.....

Even a 2 year old knows that the A380 is not a 1:1 replacement for the B747 at this stage. But who knows what the future will bring to aviation and airports around the world. What will be the heathow of 2030?



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8086 times:

I have said before, Willie Walsh loves Airbus having converted the EI fleet to them. I would not be surprised to see the 380 in BA's colours although, I would prefer if it was the 747-8i

User currently offlineBisbee From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7923 times:

I think I have heard this kind of old cliche before, let me think???, ah yes, the old check is in the mail routine!!!

25 SJCRRPAX : OK, I know this is not very scientific, but I have flown the LHR-SFO flight four times this year, once in each season and the Planes have been at 100%
26 Post contains images VV701 : And how about 'Asked if the design [of the new BA Club World cabin] would be a Virgin style herringbone format, a BA spokeswoman said "It could well
27 Boysteve : And for all the many staff that work at various Airbus plants. If BA order the A380 I think it will be complimented with the B773, not the B748. Pers
28 Jacobin777 : And BA's board is huge on Boeing...including BA Chairman Martin Broughton...not to mention, at the end of the day, its the best deal which BA can get
29 Boysteve : Except that Airbus can now provide an aircraft that Boeing have no equivalent to.
30 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Which I'm not sure BA needs...
31 ER757 : I'd think it would be one or the other rather than both. I could definitely see them going for some A380's, but not for a few years yet. They'll let
32 Swissy : That is relative We all agree J777 Leahy is an a.. hole and it wonders me why AB has him not given the boot.......... Right on the money And that is
33 AA1818 : I agree think that the 77W and A380 are probably most likely options, but something in my gut tells me that BA need a 748i more than an A380 or 77W.
34 RedChili : That was a really hilarious sentence. It sounds like Boeings are bad airplanes and that you can "upgrade" from a Boeing to an Airbus. You should read
35 RedChili : Just to put things into perspective: If BA would order the A380 today, they would probably not get any airplanes until 2012 because of all the produc
36 United Airline : I think it's either one too. I suppose they will stick to Boeing for widebodies and Airbus for narrowbodies and will order the B 747-8 to replace thei
37 Mariner : We "all" agree? Sorry, I don't agree. mariner
38 Post contains images Astuteman : Are you serious? Given the utter mess Airbus finds itself in, the fact that they have not only managed to keep most of their A380 and potential A350X
39 Boysteve : This is a point that I have tried to make in other previous threads but I was not quite this clear. The problem with this is it reduces BA's bargaini
40 Jacobin777 : When BA speaks, Boeing listens....Boeing knows the intrinsic (as well as profit) values of landing a carrier such as BA with a large order.....
41 AirbusA6 : If Boeing introduced a brilliant 737 replacement, and BA said "sorry we're not considering it because our narrowbody fleet is all Airbus" it would be
42 Jacobin777 : How about being practical. What 737 is Boeing offering that will beat the economics of BA's A32X? None..... not to mention, I've already stated.... T
43 Pope : I know that T5 at LHR is going to be A380 compatible, but what is the effective limit of the number of A380's that could operate at LHR at any one tim
44 United Airline : I suppose this is a move to negotiate a better deal with Boeing on the B 748i Anyway according to Rod Eddington the B 747-400s will stay for another 1
45 Post contains images Swissy : Sure I am It is time he is quiet If he did not have such an unreasonable mouth...... he probably shot himself in the foot and now he is quiet.... fin
46 Post contains images TeamAmerica : Well, that cute girl down in accounting tells me my chances are "as good as ever"...but I'm not so sure that means the glass is half full.
47 RedChili : If you continue raving about Leahy like this, I will put you on my "disrespectful users" list. I just read in Seattle Times that Leahy had heart surg
48 RTFM : That's too simplistic an argument and does not necessarily hold. It rather depends on where the growth is going to come and what segment of the marke
49 Dank : And why do you think he is an a**hole? Because he spins the facts to sell airplanes? He's a salesman not a reporter. And he happens to be a pretty go
50 RedChili : I understand your point and I agree that you have to look at those specific markets that BA target. But still, the current trend is that the number o
51 AirbusA6 : I wasn't talking about the current 737, but a future 737 replacement. There will be one, it will be better than the current A320, and if Airbus aren'
52 Swissy : Well my friend that is my own opinion, but do what you have to do.... Well he is closer to be a clown now with all the bs at AB, last time I checked
53 Geo772 : Nothing is certain on what BA will order or when it will place the order. I don't think BA will be overly concerned about the operation of the A380 at
54 RTFM : But BA is not basically flying with the same size of airplanes as ten years ago in intra-European flights, primarily because of the reasons I stated.
55 Stitch : I'm pretty sure the 777-300ER is in BA's future. The trick will be how deep Boeing is willing to discount to add the 747-8I to that order versus how d
56 RIX : - that's what I call bastards top level managers and politicians that created situation when a person has to "sacrifice his own health". Sacrificing
57 Swissy : Agree, I wish him a speedy recovery and wish him all the best, but do you guys really think BA would buy the 380 because Big "L" is such a great sale
58 Post contains images RIX : I don't contradict your point... I actually was trying to contradict those who were contradicting you ... Well, as long you quoted me in your post...
59 VV701 : BA is clearly interested in revenue and profit and disinterested in market share. Otherwise it would not have announced at the beginning of this week
60 Dank : You don't think that JL has anything to do with how they put together deals and how they strategize selling planes? And spinning his product and spin
61 Swissy : RIX, thank you for clearing it up and apologies for not getting your point right away....... (too much work before x-mas) Dank, I am very well aware o
62 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...don't you think it would be expensive to retrain those pilots to fly the Airbus birds? I doubt BA is going to do that and/or fire pilots and then
63 RedChili : BA is interested in profit, yes. BA is disinterested in market share, no! If it was true that BA is disinterested in market share and only in profit,
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