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LAB VVI-GRU-TXL And VVI-GRU-MAD Dec/06  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Posted (7 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 3485 times:

Troubled airline LAB announced that it will start operating VVI-GRU-MAD starting 01/Dec/2006 (3 x week) and VVI-MAD-TXL starting 15/Dec/2006. LAB also plans to resume VVI-MAO-MIA in 2007.

LAB has 5th freedom rights GRU-MAD and GRU-TXL, but will have to compete with Aerosur: Bolivia's Aerosur recently started LAB-"Madrid - Barajas (MAD / LEMD), Spain">MAD nonstop B742.

LB flights will also increase frequency between GRU and MAD and open a third gateway from Brazil to Germany since MUC and FRA already have daily flights from GRU.

Timetable GRU-MAD is as follows

LB1440 18.00 GRU - 07.00 MAD (Mo, We, Fr)

LB1441 10.00 MAD - 18.00 GRU (Tu, Th, Sa)

Air China will also start twice weekly flights GRU-MAD (Su, Th) and MAD-GRU (Su, Th) in Dec/2006. IB flies twide daily GRU-MAD and BRA operates twice weekly GRU-MAD.

Timetable VVI-GRU-TXL still to be announced.

Rgs,

[Edited 2006-11-14 16:40:42]

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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

TXL seems a random destination or is there a large Brazilian and/or Bolivian population in Berlin?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 1):
TXL seems a random destination or is there a large Brazilian and/or Bolivian population in Berlin?

There have been traditionally strong ties between Bolivia and Germany in the past, even stronger than with Spain, but I don't know to what extent they still exist.



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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2719 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
LAB also plans to resume VVI-MAO-MIA in 2007

LAB resumed flights between Bolivia and MIA


La Paz , BO A Miami, FL , US noviembre, miércoles 22

Opciones de vuelo solicitadas

Salida: 06:55 - noviembre, miércoles 22 Lloyd Aereo Boliviano
La Paz , BO (LPB) 1 escala / LB861
Llegada: 08:45 - noviembre, miércoles 22 Boeing 727-200
Santa Cruz , BO (VVI)
Vuelo de conexión
Salida: 22:00 - noviembre, miércoles 22 Lloyd Aereo Boliviano
Santa Cruz , BO (VVI) 1 escala / LB900
Llegada: 05:15 - noviembre, jueves 23 Boeing 727-200
Miami, FL , US (MIA)

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User currently offlineMarambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1160 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3189 times:

Hardi,

May I ask you to disclose your sources about this information? Whilst flying to Madrid does sound reasonable, Berlin is beyond my understanding.

Saludos,
Marambio



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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3042 times:
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Anyone can tell me if LB has thinking to use to MAD and to TXL its L15 equipment?


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3020 times:
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Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 5):
Anyone can tell me if LB has thinking to use to MAD and to TXL its L15 equipment?

Flights to MAD are uploaded, TXL not yet.

Lloyd Aereo Boliviano
LB 1440 Guarulhos International (GRU), Sao Paulo, Sao Paulo, Brazil 17:15
Barajas (MAD), Madrid, Spain 06:15+1 day(s)
Non-stop
L15 10h00min Monday
Wednesday
Friday

Yes they will use a Lockheed 1011 Tristar 500 ! I know the plane has a lot of lovers, but it's a fuel burner and at the price announced by LAB (US$ 860 R/T Sao Paulo-Madrid) i have doubts about the profitability and it seems very clear that the product is not in condition to fight for the Business traveller.

Quoting Marambio (Reply 4):
May I ask you to disclose your sources about this information? Whilst flying to Madrid does sound reasonable, Berlin is beyond my understanding.

Hi Marcos, possible source:
- http://www.panrotas.com.br/canais/re...l_reader_noticia.asp?cod_not=25733

-
Amadeus (flights uploaded)

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
Troubled airline LAB announced that it will start operating VVI-GRU-MAD starting 01/Dec/2006 (3 x week) and VVI-MAD-TXL starting 15/Dec/2006. LAB also plans to resume VVI-MAO-MIA in 2007

I have doubts about MAO returning to LAB network, they cannot compete with Tam nowadays.

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
LAB has 5th freedom rights GRU-MAD and GRU-TXL, but will have to compete with Aerosur: Bolivia's Aerosur recently started LAB-"Madrid - Barajas (MAD / LEMD), Spain">MAD nonstop B742.

Aerosur started also LPB-REC-MAD with B741.

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
Air China will also start twice weekly flights GRU-MAD (Su, Th) and MAD-GRU (Su, Th) in Dec/2006. IB flies twide daily GRU-MAD and BRA operates twice weekly GRU-MAD.

Allow me a correction, IB flies 12x weekly, BRA only 1x GRU-LIS-MAD and 1x GRU-GIG-MAD-LIS. NM will fly 2x weekly by february/07.

Felipe



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
Flights to MAD are uploaded, TXL not yet.

Lloyd Aereo Boliviano
LB 1440 Guarulhos International (GRU), Sao Paulo, Sao Paulo, Brazil 17:15
Barajas (MAD), Madrid, Spain 06:15+1 day(s)
Non-stop
L15 10h00min Monday
Wednesday
Friday

Flight details are on first post.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
Yes they will use a Lockheed 1011 Tristar 500 ! I know the plane has a lot of lovers, but it's a fuel burner and at the price announced by LAB (US$ 860 R/T Sao Paulo-Madrid) i have doubts about the profitability and it seems very clear that the product is not in condition to fight for the Business traveller.

Correct, a very outaded product if compared to IB newest business class product. LAB has no chance to compete, especially taking into account that GRU-MAD is becoming very competitive with IB, BRA, AC and NM will also serve the route.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
I have doubts about MAO returning to LAB network, they cannot compete with Tam nowadays.

Agree.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
Aerosur started also LPB-REC-MAD with B741.

Lipe: as far as I know the service is now LPB-MAD nonstop B741 - no traffic rights in REC.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
Allow me a correction, IB flies 12x weekly, BRA only 1x GRU-LIS-MAD and 1x GRU-GIG-MAD-LIS. NM will fly 2x weekly by february/07.

Tks for corrections.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

Wouldn't FRA or MUC make more sense for a Germany flight by LB than TXL? However, if the route does well, maybe LH should restart flights to LPB or at least to VVI. They used to operate to LPB through LIM and BOG if I'm not mistaken.

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 8):
Wouldn't FRA or MUC make more sense for a Germany flight by LB than TXL? However, if the route does well, maybe LH should restart flights to LPB or at least to VVI. They used to operate to LPB through LIM and BOG if I'm not mistaken.

in my opinion FRA would be the only logical destination for them in germany even MUC is out of the range for me but TXL ????



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 8):
Wouldn't FRA or MUC make more sense for a Germany flight by LB than TXL? However, if the route does well, maybe LH should restart flights to LPB or at least to VVI. They used to operate to LPB through LIM and BOG if I'm not mistaken.



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 8):
in my opinion FRA would be the only logical destination for them in germany even MUC is out of the range for me but TXL ????

I think you are missing the point. By operating VVI-GRU-TXL LB's main target is pax flying GRU-TXL (the same for MAD operations). LAB wants to explore 5th freedom rights it has in Brazil. So much that LB will use the a smaller a/c for the leg VVI-GRU while deploying the old Lockheed 1011 Tristar 500 (with more capacity) for GRU-MAD and GRU-TXL segments...

Rgs,


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2960 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 10):
By operating VVI-GRU-TXL LB's main target is pax flying GRU-TXL (the same for MAD operations). LAB wants to explore 5th freedom rights it has in Brazil.

I see. So it's about making money on these 5th Freedom Rights then. Nevertheless, why TXL? Is it because it's cheaper or because they chose it as a more viable destination than FRA or MUC?

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind that there are more longhauls into airports such as HAM, TXL, DUS, etc., but it's just a bit unusual to see a carrier like LB to choose such an airport.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2960 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 10):
I think you are missing the point. By operating VVI-GRU-TXL LB's main target is pax flying GRU-TXL (the same for MAD operations). LAB wants to explore 5th freedom rights it has in Brazil. So much that LB will use the a smaller a/c for the leg VVI-GRU while deploying the old Lockheed 1011 Tristar 500 (with more capacity) for GRU-MAD and GRU-TXL segments...

Right, they probably will use a 727-200 on GRU-VVI.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 7):
Lipe: as far as I know the service is now LPB-MAD nonstop B741 - no traffic rights in REC

The B741 is not able to fly non stop LPB-MAD. REC will be a technical stop during this month, but Aerosur is working to sell very shortly (no date given yet) REC-MAD and REC-LPB.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 7):
Flight details are on first post.

Was just to confirm and talk about the plane Hardi.

Felipe



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2938 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
The B741 is not able to fly non stop LPB-MAD. REC will be a technical stop during this month, but Aerosur is working to sell very shortly (no date given yet) REC-MAD and REC-LPB.

It makes sense, tks for the update. Aerosur's REC-MAD (with no competition) will work far better than LB's GRU-MAD. I'm sure they will sell plenty of holiday packages MAD-REC to fill the B741 used in the route...

Rgs,


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

If LB wants Berlin, why TXL and not SXF?


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 14):
If LB wants Berlin, why TXL and not SXF?

Good question. From what I know, TXL is somewhat slot restricted and since the flight wouldn't go nonstop from BER to VVI anyway, runway length isn't much of an issue (which in theory could have been in case of a nonstop, had the runway at SXF not been extended for the A380). So if TXL is slot restricted, things could have favoured SXF a bit more.

Please correct me if I'm wrong with my assumption though.


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