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London ATC/Hold Or No Hold  
User currently offlineP3Orion From United States of America, joined May 2006, 544 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

I am curious about the procedures for arrivals into the London area. Does all the traffic landing at Heathrow, and the surrounding airports, get placed into holding, regardless of volume, weather, etc and then Approach takes them out of the stack? And, if so, why? Or, does the Center vector for sequencing to the arrival fix and then Hands off to Approach?


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User currently offlineSpeedBird203 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 295 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4462 times:

Well, Arrivals into London Luton don't hold, They line them up on a 7 mile final usually, Its hardly anything more than 7 mile, Of course Heathrow will have that landing hold due to the busy traffic, I enjoy the hold for some reason, Just gives a nice view of London. But nope, Not all airports in the London area have a hold due to the busy traffic.


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User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1244 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4425 times:

I remember this being a little better before. But I think it still may give you a solid explaination. Read from "Radar Maneuvering area" then down. In particular it sounds like the "Stacks" section is what you want to look at.

http://www.vatsim-uk.org/regions/capital/index.php?page=egll


User currently offlineXXXX10 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4343 times:

AFAIK There are four holding areas for flights into LHR.

Okham for flights from the west
Bovingdom for flights from the north
Lamborne for flights from the East
Biggin for flights from the South

Chances are you will be held at one of these and then vectored for final.
Not all traffic is held there the other day I flew into LHR without holding, can't remember the last time that happened.

I believe the are also extra holding areas further form the airport and if traffic is heavy aircraft can be held there before they take the normal hold.


User currently offlineExpress1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

Quoting XXXX10 (Reply 3):

Thanks xxxx10 its a very intresting read.

dave


User currently offlineWheelsatc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4243 times:

LAM, BIG, BNN and OCK are the four hold points as XXXX10 mentioned. In addition to them if the holds at LAM and BIG are full further hold points can be opened at way point BRASO for LAM and waypoint TIGER for BIG. These will be a bit further out and at higher levels. I am not sure about BNN abd OCK.

If you were coming from US east coast most arrivals route via OCK with Mid to west America and Canada routing via BNN. LAM is the busiest hold and is generally the only one that occasionally sees the additional hold point opened up.


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

Quoting P3Orion (Thread starter):
Does all the traffic landing at Heathrow

To answer your question, I'd say it depends! I've arrived at LHR many times and have gotten right in, other times there were a couple of spins in the hold then in you go.

Like any other facility, if the weather is good, the arrival rate increases. If there's weather or other issues, such as winds then the arrival rate decreases. If there is weather and the arrival rate decreases, then the probability of holding is increased at peak times.


User currently offlineExpress1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 2):

is this link for training new Air Traffic Controllers,if so could i give this ago even tho im 45 lol, because this gives you access to a lot of stuff.

dave


User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1244 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4010 times:

Quoting Express1 (Reply 7):
is this link for training new Air Traffic Controllers,if so could i give this ago even tho im 45 lol, because this gives you access to a lot of stuff.

It's a guide from Vatsim UK which simulates UK procedures very realistically.


User currently offlineP3Orion From United States of America, joined May 2006, 544 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3838 times:

Thank you for the information. The thread about EGLL jogged a memory. When I was a controller at ZDC, and gave a tour to some British controllers, I recall they could not believe how dark the control room was and why we weren't holding for BWI, PHL, EWR and LGA. They seemed astounded at that. Anyway, thanks.


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User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1244 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

Didn't know you were at ZDC. What area?

User currently offlineP3Orion From United States of America, joined May 2006, 544 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3750 times:

I was in the "B" area. The Kenton Sector (53) worked the DPNT4 arrivals and the OOD departures and Casino (51) worked the VCN7 arrivals. I transfered out in '01. How long have you been at PHL?


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