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Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time  
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 46526 times:

A Boeing 777 is heading for the breaker’s yard for the first time, just 11 years after the twinjet first entered service.

Memphis-based Universal Asset Management says it has acquired a General Electric GE90-90B-powered 777-200 (MSN 27109) - the nineteenth aircraft off the line - for disassembly...


http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...+broken+up+for+the+first+time.html



[Edited 2006-11-15 10:42:32]

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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2872 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 46350 times:

I think it was this one on which I flew LIS-GRU last year. Strange idea.... Especially since the aircraft wasn't old at all, and there are much older aircraft still flying happily! But somebody must have added things up and come to this conclusion, no doubt.


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User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 46267 times:

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 2):
Especially since the aircraft wasn't old at all, and there are much older aircraft still flying happily

Maybe it's most valuable parts have still enough time on them to have a big enough value for the second hand market.
They'll probably make some good money taking it apart and sell everything separately.

In the end it all comes down to money, still sad to see such a beautifull and still usefull plane go.



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User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 46255 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
Memphis-based Universal Asset Management says it has acquired a General Electric GE90-90B-powered 777-200 (MSN 27109) - the nineteenth aircraft off the line - for disassembly...

They must be wrong about the engines, this aircraft is an A market aircraft and would have been powered by GE90-76B engines. I suspect that these early A-market aircraft are difficult to resell as they would be difficult for most airlines to easily integrate into an existing 777 fleet.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4865 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 46209 times:

We have DC-8's,MD-80's (Mad dogs),MD-11's,B732's flying in our skys today and a 11 year old B772 is heading for the recyclying bin???

 Sad  Yeah sure  Confused  Confused  Sad  Yeah sure

EK413



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User currently offlineVivaGunners From Italy, joined Oct 2000, 363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 46069 times:

That's hard to take, but on the other hand it is a reasonable choice.
This 772 has been sitting in a bad condition since it was WFU by Varig some months ago, I think some Brazilian members could confirm this. Some parts were already taken out of it and probably it would be more expensive to put it back in service than the value of its components on the second hand market. Also, it is a 11-year-old non-ER model, who could possibly buy it and fix it? Given all that it must not be a very attractive plane as of now, which is sad to say about a 777 anyway.  Sad



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User currently offlineLauda 777 From Sweden, joined May 1999, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 46064 times:

Really nice bird.. Sorry to se it go.  Sad


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User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 733 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 45863 times:

This frame has spent much of its time stored since it left British Airways, its original operator. Can't have that many hours/cycles?

Surely these A-market aircraft are prime candidates for freighter conversion should somebody launch a programme?


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 45834 times:

This is an ex-BA bird. One of only three GE 77As ever produced. Undoubtably the least desirable of all the 777/engine combinations. AFAIK It has GE90-76Bs too, not -90Bs.

User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 45826 times:

I am sure it made economic sense. Nevertheless its surprising to see an A/C stripped after only 11 years.

This A/C was registered PP-VRD with Varig.

I wonder whats happening with sister ship PP-VRC which was in pretty much the same configuration & condition.


User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 45806 times:

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 8):
Surely these A-market aircraft are prime candidates for freighter conversion should somebody launch a programme?

Actually the A markets are the least likely candidates for frieghter conversion due to their very low payload capabilities. This particular aircraft has a MTOW of 247 tonnes, the actual frieghters offered by Boeing can lift nearly 100 tonnes more!



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User currently offlineGWYIRE From Ireland, joined Sep 2005, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 45777 times:

What does 'A-Market' mean?

User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 45742 times:

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 11):
Actually the A markets are the least likely candidates for frieghter conversion due to their very low payload capabilities. This particular aircraft has a MTOW of 247 tonnes, the actual frieghters offered by Boeing can lift nearly 100 tonnes more!

Yeah, but a package carrier could still use it.

The main reason why this A/C is being stripped down is the bad condition it is in. The ecomomics of putting it back in service must have been high to a point, where it was just more beneficial to strip it down. Its the same reason why after an accident cars get totaled, even when they can be repaired and put back into service.


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 45662 times:

Quoting Manny (Reply 13):
The main reason why this A/C is being stripped down is the bad condition it is in.

It's not quite a write off like you imply. It's probably due a D-check - which is expensive no matter what the conditions are in. There's a lot of money in spare parts, so they've probably concluded that the money which could be made from scrapping it, is worth more than its value as an airliner minus the cost of a D-check.

[Edited 2006-11-15 13:17:38]

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3567 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 45617 times:

Does anyone else even operate an A-Market GE90 T7?


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User currently offlineAirfinair From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 45554 times:

To confirm, has this aircraft already flown to the US or is still in Brazil? How many RG 777's are left in Brazil?


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User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 45554 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 15):

BA operates three of them.



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 45455 times:

I was thinking actually when the two ex-Varig 777-236 were ferried to the desert a few weeks ago wether Boeing might snap one to break it up to check fatigue as they did in the late 80s with the first 747 broken up (an high-cycle ex-JAL 747-SR).
But this is really a surprise. 11 years is nothing, especially if taken into account that this aircraft has spend more than 1 1/2 years in storage inbetween already, so actually flying for just about 9 (!) years. Thats a massive depreciation the owner suffered on this bird.


User currently offlinePsimpson From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 45443 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Very sad to learn this,
the outside of this B777 aircraft looks in good shape, so it does seem odd that it is being broken up, especially after less than 11 years in active airline service.
However i would think that it being a non ER model, the used market is not so strong hence it is more economical to strip the frame of useful parts.


User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 998 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 45441 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 14):
Does anyone else even operate an A-Market GE90 T7?

I believe China Southern also ops GE90 powered 772As


raggi



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User currently offlineJAM747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 550 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 45196 times:

Quoting Manny (Reply 12):
The main reason why this A/C is being stripped down is the bad condition it is in

I have noticed it has been mentioned before that a few of Varig 777s are in bad shape. How come they some these birds are in such shape?


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 45121 times:

It wouldn't surprise me. If no customer wants it, then its better to bust it and sell off the parts for other a/c.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 45080 times:

It must have been in very poor condition and required a lot of repair/overhaul work to go to the boneyard.


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 45007 times:

Quoting GWYIRE (Reply 11):
What does 'A-Market' mean?

When Boeing first started the 777 project in the late 80s, they collaborated with airlines as to what form the 777 should take. After consulting many airlines, Boeing identified 3 markets in which the 777 should compete:

A-Market: 325 passengers, 4500-6000 nm range
B-Market: 300 passengers, 6000-7500 nm range
C-Market: 275 passengers, 7500-9000 nm range

The first 777 model was the 777-200 which was intended to fill the "A-Market" niche. Thus, many people say 772A to distinguish between any other type of 772.

Subsequently, Boeing developed the 772ER (B-market) and the 772LR (C-market) variants.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 45014 times:

Quoting Raggi (Reply 19):
I believe China Southern also ops GE90 powered 772As

Indeed they do.

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25 DfwRevolution : Oh and for some irony: not a single 777 hull has been lost in accident yet either. This really is the first 777 being permanently removed from revenue
26 Thorben : This is really surprising, OK - it's non-ER and Varig has left it somewhat thrashed, but it is still a T7. I can't believe nobody is buying it to fly
27 Post contains images LipeGIG : For sure this bird (PP-VRD) and it's twin brother (PP-VRC) are in very bad condition since they have been added to RG fleet. Varig tried to improve t
28 RayChuang : I think it's likely most of the parts on the plane will NOT be melted down. Expect most of them to be sold off for spare parts to be bought by other a
29 United_fan : Too bad it wasn't PW powered,UA might want it for Hawaii - West Coast flights.
30 AlitaliaMD11 : I'm surprised PP-VRE isn't being broken up, she's in pretty bad shape at JFK.
31 Richierich : Yes she is. She might be on the chopping block soon if a buyer isn't sorted out within a few months. She can't be parked next to the AA hangar foreve
32 ClipperNo1 : If there would be a better market for used Trip's, I guess IAI or Boeing would have picked it up to produce a prototype of a converted freighter. Mayb
33 YULWinterSkies : Indeed, otherwise, they would not send thousands of loyal employees at the dumpster either...
34 LipeGIG : It's an ER frame, for such bird probably always people know the solution (fix). Felipe
35 VivaGunners : Thanks for the info. I agree with you that it's a shame to see this T7 being parted out, one thinks she could still fly a lot, but of course it's all
36 Post contains images AirEMS : That photo at the top by Stephan Klos Pugatch is great! too the plane will be gone soon -Carl
37 Jrosa : I've flown this aircraft (VRD) many times and it was the worst aircraft in Varig's fleet. One of the rides I took was JFK-GIG and I was horrible! My J
38 Post contains links and images PlaneHunter : The bird has had a turbulent history... Delivered to British Airways in January 1996 as G-ZZZE. View Large View MediumPhoto © Janne Laukkonen - F
39 Post contains images BuyantUkhaa : Hence me sitting in a C seat paying €600 round trip LIS-GRU
40 AF454GRU : I disagree... As Felipe said before, Varig tried to improve PP-VRD but the aircraft owner did not allowed even if I can't understand why!? I think if
41 Johnny : That is amazing. I really expected that every single B777-200/ER will be converted to Freighters in some years time. And now i see one of these birds
42 Manny : Blame it on Varig! Anyone know the fate PP-VRC ?
43 Post contains images Trintocan : Shocking! A 777 being scrapped after only 11 years of service - albeit with years of storage in between. The story of this plane is unfortunate but on
44 NA : Thats true. The youngest 767 scrapped so far had 19 years service. The youngest 747 ever scrapped was G-BDXO which only saw 14 years service before w
45 Post contains images JuniorSpotter : Now that's a shocker! I mean...they´re still airing "ground-breaking" documentaries about the 777 on Discovery! But jokes apart...it's really amazing
46 AA777223 : If this picture is accurate, than this was the only 777 ever painted in the old BA livery. I saw a picture of it once in the database and instantly f
47 PlaneHunter : No, numerous B777s were painted in the old scheme. B777 deliveries started in 1995, the "World Tails" were introduced two years later. PH
48 Post contains images Lightsaber : If an aircraft is worth more as parts, scrap it. It doesn't matter that new 772C's are still going off the line. The highest profit is as parts. Cest
49 Vfw614 : I would find it surprising if an aircraft was scrapped because of worn-out seats and problems with the PTV... Surely it would be possible to find a c
50 AerLingusA330 : suggest post deletion...corrected info[Edited 2006-11-15 23:01:06]
51 Jfk777 : 777-A have always been the step children of the 777 family. They have been treated as partial members of the family with thier limited range. Why BA d
52 AA777223 : It seems like the 777A could have been great for BA's route network to the popular but short range destinations, a sort of A300 to Lufthansa (although
53 777AssetMgr : There are obviously a lot of questions and speculations on this aircraft. I'm the asset manager for this aircraft and will be managing its disposition
54 Leelaw : Welcome to A.net.
55 DfwRevolution : This isn't a 772ER. It's not all that uncommon of a practice. Airframe in poor condition, parts exceed the value of the remaining structure. Not much
56 777STL : It's nice to have a reliable source of info rather than dozens of posts of speculation and opinions passed off as fact. Welcome!
57 AA777223 : How does that work? I thought each aircraft was closely designed for its particualr engine type. Who paid for the new 90B engines? Why would they put
58 777AssetMgr : All good questions. The aircraft situation would be different if it was Pratt powered vs GE powered however, since the airframe was certified as a GE9
59 Post contains images UAL757 : If they're getting rid of a 777 they should send it to me!
60 777AssetMgr : I'm willing to entertain your offer.
61 Post contains images UAL757 : If they're getting rid of a 777 they should send it to me instead!
62 Aer Lingus : and so how would you explain the other BA777 in the background being in the same livery?
63 Manny : That would be me
64 The777Man : What was the sale price of this 777 ? And to echo Manny, Any potential buyers for ex-VRC ? Any news on the ex-UA 777s ? The777Man
65 777AssetMgr : Hey Manny. How are you? I know you. Regarding VRC... we own that one too. I'll let you know when its disposition decision is made.
66 Post contains images Fbgdavidson : I'm quite surprised that a 777 is going this early, although I'm quite sure it is the right thing to do from an economic standpoint. Hardly! The regul
67 Post contains links and images KLM685 : You're right about this Felipe. I flew on PP-VRC last year and it was pretty dirty. The seats felt all dusty, no PTV's cuz a FA told me that they wer
68 Bruce : UAM is based in Memphis, TN.....also where TMG (The memphis Group) is, does this mean that it will be broken up in Greenwood? Bruce
69 Gearup : A 'D' check could put all that to right. It is hard to believe that an aircraft like this is being parted out. Is it possible that it has a major fla
70 CcrlR : this should be in a Museum. Too bad Boeing does not want to do that though. I would love to see one at a NASM or the Museum of Flight too, or some ot
71 DeltaJet757 : Sad to see a T7 already headed for the bone yard. As long as it gets used for parts I won't be offended by it. I would be very apauled if it was left
72 Post contains images Jycarlisle : N703BA Unfortunately, I will not be paid enough this week to afford at least one of the GE powerhouses. Cheers, Jeremy
73 Da man : Maybe the very first one which is now flying for CX will end up at the Museum of Flight in Seattle next to the 747 and Concorde.
74 Post contains images N231YE : Disposition to my back yard. Can UAM make a tax-deductable donation to me?
75 Ptharris : So sad to hear, but really... it has to start somewhere. Guess business has found it's first victim. R. I. P.
76 TrijetsRMissed : Good point, but there are a good number of Mad Dogs and MD-11's in the skies that are younger than this particular 772 aircraft.
77 Jetfuel : BA operated this a/c LHR-CDG when I was on it in 1996. The a/c has a use in medium range ops but who's going to pay good money for an orphan when it's
78 Columba : There you see how superior these Douglas birds are....sorry could not resist. Just think about how many 707, Dc 8, DC 10s have been scrapped already
79 AirbusA346 : More Info please?? Tom.
80 TrijetsRMissed : Couldn't agree more, in 15 years seeing Douglas aircraft at airports may be very few and far between. Indeed, the safety record is flawless. A couple
81 Post contains links PlaneHunter : http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20000315-0&lang=en PH
82 NA : And a severe tailstrike of a Malaysian 772 last year. Indeed, the 777 has been damn lucky so far, as the usual weather desaster (Mandarin MD-11 in HK
83 Post contains images Litz : So here's the critical question ..... Who's gonna land the cockpit from this plane for their home flightsim ? - litz
84 NA : Guessing the price for it I assume it´ll be a little sheikh or some other plutocrat´s son.
85 A342 : The A342s have a long range, which makes them popular with VIP operators.
86 Trintocan : Well, this is the lowdown on the sad demise of this plane. It is a non-ER 777-200A and this means that its relatively limited range makes it unattract
87 B777A3330 : It seems this was only a rumor, no B777 will be scraped for the time being, Royal Brunei will take both ex. BA B777-236 registration PP-VRC and VRD
88 LHR777 : In the past few weeks, I've done load control on these three aircraft (G-ZZZA/B/C) for KWI, DXB, BAH/DOH, AUH/MCT, YYZ, JFK, BOS and IAD. We most defi
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