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Delta Responds To US Airways!  
User currently offlineDanild From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 122 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 28387 times:

Delta just posted a response to Us Airways and it's not a NO!

Of course we will see how this develops! but here is what they have to say today

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10454

Delta Air Lines Responds to Reports of Merger with U.S. Airways
ATLANTA, Nov. 15, 2006 – Delta Air Lines’ CEO Gerald Grinstein issued the following statement today regarding U.S. Airways’ proposed merger with Delta:
“We received a letter from U.S. Airways this morning and will of course review it. Delta’s plan has always been to emerge from bankruptcy in the first half of 2007 as a strong, stand-alone carrier. Our plan is working and we are proud of the progress Delta people are making to achieve this objective.
The Bankruptcy Court has granted Delta the exclusive right to create the plan of reorganization until Feb. 15, 2007. We will continue to move aggressively towards that goal."
Delta Air Lines (Other OTC: DALRQ) offers customers service to more destinations than any global airline with Delta and Delta Connection carrier service to 290 destinations in 46 countries. With more than 50 new international routes added in the last year, Delta is America’s fastest growing international airline and is a leader across the Atlantic with flights to 28 trans-Atlantic destinations. To Latin America and the Caribbean, Delta offers more than 400 weekly flights to 49 destinations. Delta's marketing alliances also allow customers to earn and redeem SkyMiles on more than 14,000 flights offered by SkyTeam and other partners. Delta is a founding member of SkyTeam, a global airline alliance that provides customers with extensive worldwide destinations, flights and services. Including its SkyTeam and


Danild
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User currently offlineN701AA From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 28359 times:

He is basically saying nothing!

User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4596 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 28360 times:

Does the bankruptcy court determine whether or not to grant a merger? Does DL even have a say in it?


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 28311 times:

All the reasons DL gives for saying "No" are excellent. They also have more service in the Western United States. DL is also upgrading their IFE product and it will become far from what US has. I think US should finish it's current merger and set itself up for the coming years before it decides to join with another carrier.

User currently offlineDanild From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 28258 times:

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 3):
All the reasons DL gives for saying "No" are excellent. They also have more service in the Western United States. DL is also upgrading their IFE product and it will become far from what US has. I think US should finish it's current merger and set itself up for the coming years before it decides to join with another carrier.

Personally there is nothing I would dislike more than US+DL, Us airways can't even deal with their US+HP issues yet. I'm a travel agent and it's a nightmare with the current 2 reservation codes... there are 2 separate res lines and something as simple as calling to request support my take 3 or 4 transfers until you talk to the right person.

I hope the deal falls through...  Smile *But that's just me



Danild
User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 28199 times:

Quoting Danild (Reply 4):
Personally there is nothing I would dislike more than US+DL, Us airways can't even deal with their US+HP issues yet. I'm a travel agent and it's a nightmare with the current 2 reservation codes... there are 2 separate res lines and something as simple as calling to request support my take 3 or 4 transfers until you talk to the right person.

I hope the deal falls through... *But that's just me

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User currently offlineGarri767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 28101 times:

i would hate this to go through, i mean, US+DL+HP.... thats THREE major carriers that go down to one. many markets could lose service and lots of competition (lower prices for flying!) would dissapear. and getting off topic, what happens if that company that forms out of the 3 goes bankrupt?! that would be devastating!




Garri767


User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 27709 times:

If DL says no, US could always try a hostile takeover!

User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 27633 times:

Quoting OOer (Reply 7):
US could always try a hostile takeover!

It is an unsolicited bid which is the same basically as a hostile takeover. The Yahoo article already calls it a hostile takeover.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 27637 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 2):
Does DL even have a say in it?

No. In the end, they don't.

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 3):
They also have more service in the Western United States.

Um, what? This is US Airways you're talking about, right? The one with two major Western hubs vs a minor DL one?

NS


User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 27641 times:

The response is basically corporate talk for, "We've recieved the letter, and we will give it it's due attention, but don't hold your breath for us to roll out the red carpet." Basically, they can't say, "F*** you!" in a press release, so they are gonna set it over off to the side, just in case Delta's reorganization plan starts to fall apart(unlikely). Personally, I would set it in its proper place, know better as the paper shredder.

Quoting OOer (Reply 7):
If DL says no, US could always try a hostile takeover!

Wouldn't they have to buy up 50.1% of the current stock to do so?



OttoPylit


User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 27548 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 10):
Wouldn't they have to buy up 50.1% of the current stock to do so?

No a hostile takeover just basically means you are making the bid without already having the company to be acquired's management buy in.


User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 782 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 27547 times:

Quoting OOer (Reply 7):
If DL says no, US could always try a hostile takeover!

Does HP have enough cash reserves to do this?

I believe this would be a terrible idea. What is it that HP wants with DL? I think it's the international routes, anyone? There is way too much overlapping here to support this merger - ATL & CLT, BOS, LAX, LAS, etc.

Just a bad idea.



GO Dawgs, Sic' em, woof woof woof
User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 27502 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 10):
Wouldn't they have to buy up 50.1% of the current stock to do so?

Or the newly-organized Delta could add a "poison pill takeover defense" plan, which is becoming more common for companies who wish to avoid such takeovers.


User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 27498 times:

What was said above is true, in the end, DL managers do not have the final say, the creditors do. Money is what makes the world go round. If the creditors can come out making money on this, I would expect the deal to go through. Thats why Parker made it now instead of waiting until after DL exits bankruptcy.

I think it is a stupid merger. CLT and ATL are their two main hubs and in aviation, that is way to close. How in the hell would they make that work?


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 27496 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 2):
Does the bankruptcy court determine whether or not to grant a merger? Does DL even have a say in it?

The bankruptcy court will hear arguments from creditors and DL, make a decision based on what [the court thinks] would be best for the creditors.

Quoting OOer (Reply 7):
If DL says no, US could always try a hostile takeover!

Essentially, they are. Seems they have Citigroup backing them with $7+ billion in financing. The creditors are going to be looking hard at this proposition.

DL will have their say in court. But, from what I read, I am thinking the creditors are going with the US deal.

M


User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 27413 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 15):
The creditors are going to be looking hard at this proposition.

Or as another has said, Parker has put DL in play. I would not be surprised to see the UAL Corp. put forth a bid and then let the creditors choose which one is best.


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 27368 times:

Quoting N701AA (Reply 1):
He is basically saying nothing!

Which is also known as airlinespeak.

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 6):
i would hate this to go through, i mean, US+DL+HP....

Aw c'mon, don't be such a spoilsport Wink just think, an airline fleet that would would include almost every current jetliner type in the "mainline" category: A319/320/321/330, B733/734/738/757/767/777 and MD-88. Did I miss any?


User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 27283 times:

I think you could kiss the 733/4's good by and possibly the MD80;s.... that would help reduce fleet types... Parker's always been about playing Boeing against Airbus... driving the price down...


Why do I fly???
User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 27206 times:

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 12):
Does HP have enough cash reserves to do this?

Since when do you need cash reserves for anything. Most people take out mortgages, car loans, personal loans. Citigroup has offered $7.2 billion in financing. It's not really about cash on hand. If US had $7.2 billion on hand, it would not be wise for them to spend every dime on this anyway. It would be financed either way.

Apparently US has enough credibility/credit with Citigroup to get use of this amount of money.

M


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 27150 times:

Quoting OOer (Reply 7):
If DL says no, US could always try a hostile takeover!

This is a hostile takeover. Appealing directly to the creditors of a bankrupt corporation is as hostile as it can get.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 9):
No. In the end, they don't.

They get a say, just not the deciding say. The creditors have to think management is incompetent to overrule them on something like this. DL has been doing too well lately I think for that to happen.

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 12):
Does HP have enough cash reserves to do this?

7.9 billion dollar financing secured from citigroup by US Airways. That's their primary source for money on this one.

Quoting B777ER (Reply 16):
I would not be surprised to see the UAL Corp. put forth a bid and then let the creditors choose which one is best.

Tilton has already been in talks, and was rebuffed by Grinstein. Whether UAL will join in the hostile bid, I don't know. The Reuters article on this cited an aviation consultant who said UA would be the best airline to match up with DL, and that US/DL was the wrong combination, but at perhaps the right time.

A combined UA/DL would be scary. Just scary.

SFO-ORD-ATL-JFK-IAD hubs.... 850 jets, 100k employees (though probably not for long).

If DL is going to get merged, I'd rather it be with UA.



"Let the world change you, and you can change the world"
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 27078 times:

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 8):
It is an unsolicited bid which is the same basically as a hostile takeover. The Yahoo article already calls it a hostile takeover.

An unsolicited bid is not exactly the same as a hostile takeover. It only becomes hostile when the board officially declares its opposition to the takeover.



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineB777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 27079 times:

I was startled when I heard this morning on the Today show. This deal, if it ever goes through (which I personally think it ultimately won't), will not happen until DL comes out of bankruptcy, which could be years in the making. Even THEN, the merger will need to be approved by a federal court, where US/HP will need to have great lawyers to convince a judge that the move won't impose unfair competition. So, bottom line, that probably won't happen until years from now.

Did anyone notice the tone of the statement? It sounded like DL was offended or something. It reminded me of 7th grade PE class where one guy didn't want to go to the other team to play.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8691 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 27027 times:

I hope this happens.This would mean that US could get a real deal on some 787 and 777 a/c. Plus theres a chance of a 739ER order at rockbottom prices. Wouldn't US have control on the options that Boeing holds from DL?

MCOflyer



Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
User currently offlineWilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 27003 times:

I a big believer in Capitlism as the next person but if you think the Gov. is going to sit by and let this happen?..........heheheh......If you don't think the Delta is not going to call in favors from the state of Geogia or their friends in DC.........hehehehe.......You guys keep believing this.

25 F9Animal : And would Gerald Grinstein flinch in the slightest way if the pot was sweet for him? BTW- Whatever happened to Bruce Lakefield from US? Did he get his
26 ChiGB1973 : I concur. While I think the bankruptcy court will go for this, the DOJ is not going to let this kind of monopoly happen in the southeast. I am a firm
27 COERJ145 : It would be interesting/funny if immediatly after DL rejects the deal if US proposes to NW.
28 HPRamper : I hope DL says no. I can't think of a worse merger scenario than US and DL, at this point.
29 ChiGB1973 : That one would get court and DOJ approval. M
30 Deltaflyertoo : Alright guys... Help me out here...I see no logic to this. Basically I guess they would close/reduce PHL, CLT and SLC down...so that leaves what reall
31 Supa7E7 : Think of the towns USDL would just OWN... CAE MCO TPA DCA LGA JFK somewhat NE-Caribbean market US-VCE General Europe dominance The carrier would own t
32 William : Yeah........Its such a great idea.....So was US/UA.......wonder why that great idea didn't happen?..........hmm.....or yeah the DOJ.......I am sure th
33 Dank : Nope. The creditors just have to believe that managements interests and their own interests don't coincide. For example, DL may owe a creditor 5 mill
34 ORDagent : All the industry analysts believe that more consolidation is necessary and we should be left with three network airlines. I really don't like the idea
35 Wjcandee : One very appealing part of what Parker is offering to his prey is the opportunity to keep their name. DL instinctively resists a UA merger because the
36 Ultrapig : Under the Bankrutpcy Code management has an exclusive period to file a plan of reorganization. The plan must be confirmed if the different classes of
37 GQfluffy : And alienate tens of thousands of DL employees? Smart idea. Someone should kidnap Parker and get his heat-induced ego out of PHX for a while. I for o
38 Quickmover : How about all of those small to medium sized cities up and down the east coast? I'm thinking about the express stations like TRI, AVL, FLO, GSO type
39 Aero0729 : I hate that US SCareways even started this. This should not be allowed! I hope this does not go trhough. Delta is a historical US Airline and it would
40 Positiverate : No one cares about keeping their "name" if it means losing their job.
41 USPIT10L : Delta would be the surviving name.
42 Post contains images KSUpilot : We may be seeing this soon:
43 Treebeard787 : Agreed 100%!!!!
44 JerseyGuy : If this merger were go thru what would happen to DLs plans for their domestic long haul product?
45 S12PPL : Where is he saying "NO!"???
46 Post contains links Snn2003 : Has anyone noticed the combined route map on USAirways website? The eastern coast is a mess... Here!
47 Upsmd11 : From being on this site a while it's obvious that we have our hearts into our favorite airlines. While that may be great for this forum we all need to
48 S12PPL : Agreed. People re-finance their house to take cash out for vacations, cars, etc. all the time.
49 Charger : And me too!! I would be offended also. Of all the airlines why did it have to be US.
50 Rbgso : Much has been written about how this puts Delta into play, however many times a company will offer to acquire another in order to put itself in play.
51 KC135TopBoom : From what I understand, DL has not screwed any creditor in BK, except the retirement fund. US has not solved their merger problems with HP, yet. DL is
52 Post contains links WorldTraveler : A deal could be done in BK… that is not the issue. But there is a very high hurdle to be overcome – whether this deal could generate as good of a
53 Gigneil : Again, the chances of DL getting ready to put the plan in front of the judge by Feb 15th, by all accounts, is zero. N
54 Okie73 : I agree that the HP pilots will not want this deal, but its not true that HP pilots would be put on the street. I don't think ALPA merger policy has
55 Okie73 : wanna make a bet on that?
56 Quickmover : Wasn't there always a big rivalry between Piedmont and Delta pre USAir?
57 Quickmover : Wasn't there a big rivalry between Delta and Piedmont pre USAir? Kind of ironic if this deal happens.
58 HPAEAA : Parker did aknowledge they've been in talks with Boeing.... it's possible... either that or the 777 being ordered... he's not.. it's a very complex s
59 Gigneil : I'll paypal you a dollar if DL gets a plan out by Feb 15th that the judge accepts. I don't mean a plan scribbled in crayon on a cocktail napkin. NS
60 Okie73 : a dollar it is!
61 RocANDtpa : Thanks to September 11th, the proposed DL and US merger is completely different than the US and UA merger that was blocked. Also I can't believe peopl
62 Post contains images Garri767 : count me in this too! (give me a buck if they approve )
63 Post contains images Gigneil : I will not be issuing dollars to every a.net member that disagrees with me. N
64 ATLAaron : Does anyone know how much (if any) Delta owes Citigroup? It Citigroup is a large creditor to DL, then you better believe they will be in favor it DL t
65 Axio : Wow. No. It would be the end for CLT. It would be a huge boost for SW and Airtran who would pick up the O/D traffic from the reduced hubs. And honestl
66 Quickmover : If that happens, WN will be in CLT pronto. I agree CLT/ATL would be very redundant.
67 DALelite : LOL, i like this one... regards: USelite
68 AirFrnt : Sure. They have lawyers that will defend the current management in court, and try to argue that they have the best value for the dollar. The Judge ca
69 AirTranTUS : Hey, a NW style route map! Oops, my mistake. I was think of the old US Airways (I don't know why).
70 Post contains images DeltaJet757 : US should just back off. DL should be offended. I personally am offended that US is even thinking about it and by the fact that they even dared to gi
71 LAXdude1023 : I would bet that would so CLT and PHL axed if this goes through. They would be stupid to reduce ATL and JFK. I would bet also we would see SLC and LAS
72 DALelite : it doesn't say anywere, that if this merger would come true, the NEW Delta , still would be a member of the Star Alliance or not? regards: DALelite
73 CactusHP : I think, as many other members have agreed that the new Delta would most likely become part of Sky team. And United would probably not like another l
74 Gigneil : Neither will go away. ATL is done in terms of traffic. CLT will be a key part of the route system. PHL is going to be focused on International. SLC w
75 Post contains links Leelaw : Interesting article in the WSJ: Bankruptcy Court Can Be Tough Venue for Hostile Takeovers By MARIE BEAUDETTE and LAURA MCGANN November 15, 2006 4:20 p
76 Srbmod : Even if DL's creditors reject this proposal, what's to stop US Airways from picking up publicly available shares of the reissued DL stock once the com
77 Dank : Define what you mean by screwing a creditor. I have to believe that there are many creditors who are currently not being paid what they had signed co
78 CactusHP : Parker mentioned in his webcast that: CLT will be "realigned with ATL" Domestic service would focus on LGA, international on JFK and PHL PHX and SLC
79 LAXdude1023 : I have a hard time with airlinespeak, what would this mean?
80 WorldTraveler : US won't say they're closing anything because they know that is tantamount to being rejected by the politicians from that region. So they instead say
81 Gigneil : This will sail by. Rubber stamped. No issue whatsoever. Divestitures? Sure. But they will preplan those. The DOJ always approves deals between a prof
82 SHUPirate1 : No sir...CVG would be a regional hub for the midwest, PIT the northeast.
83 Post contains images DC10extender : Oh, and I was hoping for a DL-NW merger.
84 CactusHP : Probably also true, I got my information from what Doug Parker said in his webcast. So..if im wrong with that statement then Doug is also.
85 LAXdude1023 : Doug Parker is full of crap with that one. CVG would be one of the first to go if the merger goes through.
86 SHUPirate1 : To quote from page 9 of the Investor Presentation: "Complimentary hubs to provide better service with 10% fewer ASMs while maintaining service to all
87 Positiverate : US/UA, which made the most sense of any merger, couldn't get through the same DOJ. What makes you think that this would EVER get by DOJ?
88 CentPIT : I am not sure PIT can survive anything else.... I am going to see WPXI TV PITTSBURGH's opinions right now! I wish the best of luck to Delta and US Ai
89 ATWZW170 : Ok I have a question and comment. Parker states that wages for employee's will raise to the highest group...I'm sure the US/HP pilots would love to go
90 Dank : I don't think that either US or UA were in bankruptcy at the time of the proposed merger, which would not place this in the situation that gigneil de
91 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: WXIA-TV Delta Merger Analysis http://www.11alive.com/money/money_article.aspx?storyid=87677
92 ChrisNH : Agreed...after the fourth sentence it read like ad copy. If you're one of the folks waiting to get paid by Delta, and you see that the response is li
93 Okie73 : Parker is full of crap on a lot of stuff. I don't believe for a minute that this is what's best for the employees. There will certainly be staff redu
94 Post contains images Steeler83 : Well I am firmly against this, solely because it could mean severe reductions in airline service at PIT. PIT has gone through enough of downsizing, e
95 LASOctoberB6 : oh damn.... i agree. id rather see Delta alone than it combined with HP. this sux. i really don't want it to happen!! it had better fall thru! (breat
96 Gigneil : United was printing cash at the time. US was not doing as well as they had been, but they were still making money. NS
97 LAXdude1023 : Can people really be so blind to that fact??? This would be disasterous for both airlines. So much would be lost and not much gained. Can the DOJ or
98 Aapilot2b : It is certainly not a "Yes" either. I would hate to see this go through. With the merger of Us Airways and America West, we saw the merger of two of t
99 Dank : And in retrospect, they both went bankrupt not that long after. It still boggles my mind that United was allowed to stay in bankruptcy for that long
100 Quickmover : I wonder what "realigned " means? ATL is too big O/D wise to scale back. Isn't CLT more of a connecting hub for USAir? Not saying they don't connect
101 Steeler83 : CLT is more of a connecting hub for US, although they do have a couple of flights to LGW and FRA I believe. ATL will remain a large hub, CLT might be
102 LAXdude1023 : ATL isnt going anywhere as far as hub status goes. CLT will be the big loser of the deal.
103 MD-90 : Seems to me like US just wants to eliminate an annoying competitor. Like AA and Reno Air, but on a vastly larger scale.
104 SHUPirate1 : Steeler-For Calendar Year 2002, CLT had smaller O&D for US Airways (note: these numbers are for US Airways alone, and do not include other carriers) t
105 AirRyan : Sounds like DOJ scare tactics... WN would like CLT... DOJ would be hippie-critical to stand in the way of this merger... I agree. KLM and Air France
106 Airways6max : I don't think that it would have worked. US Airways and Delta's route maps overlap far too much. In addition, their fleets are not compatible. All tha
107 Post contains links and images Steeler83 : You basically restated my argument... Although I went onto US' website... I have the link to their hypothetical route map if you will http://www.usai
108 LASOctoberB6 : if NW had any cash on hand, they wouldnt be bankrupt.....
109 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : Then it looks like we agree, thats a good thing It looks like their "hypothetical map" has some european routes from ATL cut. I cant tell which ones
110 WorldTraveler : The fundamental flaw in this and any network carrier mergers is in believing that what helps airlines is going to be palatable to communities and reg
111 SHUPirate1 : ATL, CLT, CVG, PHL, PHX, PIT, SLC Yes, you did correctly see LAS and JFK as destination cities. However, DP specificially stated in both the conferen
112 Gigneil : haha. it doesn't work that way. ns
113 Tsaord : Ha! So if DL merged with US I guess US employees could look forward to some great new uniforms. What does US union workers have to say about this? I h
114 Mah584jr : WOW!! The scale of this merger is just unlike any proposal we've ever seen in the history of aviation. Either Parker really knows what he's doing or h
115 LASOctoberB6 : im not hating against US, but right now, i think theyre being a little greedy........
116 LASOctoberB6 : what do you mean it doesn't work that way?
117 Malexander131 : Unfortunatly greed drives business. I think a DL-US merger would stimulate competition rather than quash it. A big part of this plan is capacity redu
118 Tsaord : Someone at work mentioned that some day we might have to witness "merging" because with gas prices and LCC's, its too many airlines in the country. Ma
119 CentPIT : Don't worry about PIT. WPXI TV Pittsburgh has reported that Delta is showing no interest at all as of their 11:00 PM broadcast.
120 Post contains images Steeler83 : Heh, yea I suppose we do agree on that Coming back to PIT though, it looks like they might have a few more Caribbean/Mexico threads added. Still, it'
121 NorthstarBoy : i'm confused as to how a DL/NW merger is better than a DL/US merger?
122 ChiGB1973 : Asian routes. M
123 LAXdude1023 : Well NW and DL are in the same alliance and at least internationally, the route maps complement each other better. Both DL and US focus heavily on Eu
124 Vega : Because of the long standing NY Perimeter Rule, LGA can ONLY be a dominant domestic airport for flights no longer than 1500 statute miles, except for
125 SHUPirate1 : Vega-Thanks for the primer, although I lived in New York, and generally flew from LaGuardia, long enough to be more than familiar with the perimeter
126 UPS Pilot : One of them will look like a ghost town like PIT. This has to be the most stupid thing US Airways has done to date and there has been a lot during th
127 WesternA318 : SLC is anything BUT minor.. That'd be funny as hell though... Historical my ass...One major network carrier needs to be shot or merged...I prefer DL
128 Ccc : I think the US/DL merger is a very bad idea. It will never fly (no pun intended). There are too many complicated union, regulatory and other issues. U
129 Vega : You evaded the point of my statement which questions the credibility of your posting. If an airline can only fly to destinations less than 1500 miles
130 Steeler83 : Does DL ever intend to enter Asia? Don't they serve South America? I believe that on the hypothetical routemap I saw some South American destinations.
131 Vega : They already serve Japan and India.
132 SLCUT2777 : BINGO!!!! BINGO!!!! Then the best thing would have been for HP to just let US die last year and then go after DL! That would make MUCH more sense if
133 SHUPirate1 : I stand corrected. However, I don't believe I was quoting DP myself, I believe I was making that statement. Truth be told, I don't believe anybody kn
134 AJMIA : I agree 100% My good friend at DL in SLC says everyone there hates the idea of this merger... Maybe so, BUT... While Delta management, employees and
135 Steeler83 : Oh yeah, I forgot about that, don't they serve those areas via LAX? I see your point. TWA (2000) and US Airways (last year) were very dishevled. DL i
136 SLCUT2777 : Japan they do, India through JFK.
137 Post contains links Leelaw : WSJ (10/17/06): Delta Seeks Creditor Help to Fend Off US Airways ...Delta Chief Executive Gerald Grinstein and other executives at the third-largest U
138 Litz : If you translate Delta's response into more "real" terms, the reply was more like "oh hell no" ... Guys ... the unsecured creditors can want for and
139 Vega : I believe you have lumped "Common Shareholders" in with the General Class of Unsecured Creditors, which can include banks, holding co's, leases, etc.
140 Post contains links Diamond : Please continue all DL/US merger conversations in one of these 5 official threads: Official DL/US Merger Thread: Fleet Speculation   http://www1.air
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