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Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance  
User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11072 times:

Just read it on breaking news on CNN-IBN

9W has recieved State Department Clearance from USA.

Here is the link of the news channel----see Breaking News---Report to come up shortly.

http://www.ibnlive.com/


Karan

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User currently offlineHawaijahaz From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11078 times:

That's awesome news. Looks like Naresh Goyal knew something was up when the Belgium PM made the announcement.

User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11081 times:

Jet gets green signal to fly to US

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/jet-gets...n-signal-to-fly-to-us/26310-7.html

New Delhi: In what came as a long overdue relief for private airline Jet Airways, the US State Department on Thursday gave security clearance the private carrier to launch flights to America.


The clearance was formally granted to the premier private carrier by the Department of Transportation after the State Department said the airline had passed security, sources said.


The authority of exemption was granted by DoT in favour of Jet Airways, they said.

Sources indicated that the routes being considered by the airline include operating Mumbai-Brussels-New York and Mumbai-Shanghai-San Francisco.


If the airline decides to operate to Los Angeles, then that flight too will be operated through Shanghai, sources said, adding that the airline was also examining the option of operating on the Delhi-Dusseldrof-Toronto sector.




Karan


User currently offlineBDL2STL2PVG From China, joined Jun 2006, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11083 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 2):
Sources indicated that the routes being considered by the airline include operating Mumbai-Brussels-New York and Mumbai-Shanghai-San Francisco.


If the airline decides to operate to Los Angeles, then that flight too will be operated through Shanghai, sources said, adding that the airline was also examining the option of operating on the Delhi-Dusseldrof-Toronto sector.

I would expect that they can carry traffic between BRU and NY (EWR) but I would highly doubt that they could carry any traffic between PVG and SFO/LAX. There should be good demand between BOM and PVG but that would create a delimma, couldn't sell too many seats on that segment if there is no opportunity for picking up addtional pax in PVG. Travelling PVG to BOM is very tough now with an AI A-310 running via BKK and DEL or connecting in BKK, HKG + BKK or even longer via SIN or KUL. If the PRC governmnt allowed this 5th freedom would the U.S. baulk? Or is this covered already with an India/U.S. bi-lateral?


User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11079 times:

That's great. When can we see 9W flying to the USA? Summer 2007 or right now?

Secondly 9W should now initiate legal action against the US company for making baseless allegation against it.

[Edited 2006-11-16 09:53:43]


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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 11079 times:

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 4):
Secondly 9W should now initiate legal action against the US company for making baseless allegation against it.

Hey the US is lawsuit central...

Just in time for the 77W's - April 2007 they get their first. I was speaking to their PR Boss Nandini Verma yesterday and she said that DUS-YYZ would be a 332 and HKG-YYZ will be a 77W. I'm trying to find out a bit more about the BOM routes. But sadly for BLR asnd MAA (sorry for someone from there on this forum) South India doesn't get covered until late 2007 or 2008.



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 11079 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 5):
in time for the 77W's - April 2007 they get their first. I was speaking to their PR Boss Nandini Verma yesterday and she said that DUS-YYZ would be a 332 and HKG-YYZ will be a 77W.

Thats all good, but first the HKG bilateral must be revised to allow more flights.

I have no doubt a 77W should be used for BOM-PVG-SFO because such a route demands the economics and capacity of such an excellent aircraft.

Cricket did you ask? why they wish to operate 2x daily to YYZ from HKG and DUS.

Also why not originate one of the YYZ flights from another city in India instead of both from DEL.

Also besides the 4 routes [8 WB aircrafts] where are the remaining 12 WB gonna be deployed, any other routes mentioned.

Karan


User currently onlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 11080 times:

Any chance they'll do BOM-JFK or BOM-EWR non-stop? DL isalrady doing it and AI I think will be following.


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User currently offlineFormerhongky From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 30 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 11079 times:

I'm surprised - aren't they planning any non-stop India-US flights?

User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11079 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 7):
Any chance they'll do BOM-JFK or BOM-EWR non-stop? DL isalrady doing it and AI I think will be following.

You've answered it yourself, as that's precisely the reason they are not starting that route. If you look at the routes that 9W has carved, they're all non-conventional.
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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11080 times:

DL is already doing it w/ restrictions. If 9W has the right equiptment it will be successful as there won't be any restrictions.


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User currently offlineKiramakora From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11079 times:

Finally. Whew. I am going to go distribute sweets.

User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11080 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 10):
If 9W has the right equiptment it will be successful as there won't be any restrictions.

The 77W has just the additional range over the 772ER to make the route with minimal restrictions BOM-MidWest/East Coast, but only AI will be able to do direct non-stop flights with the LR. However, I guess 9W has decided that a one stop route like BOM-PVG-SFO works better....



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3129 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11079 times:

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 4):
Secondly 9W should now initiate legal action against the US company for making baseless allegation against it

This US company has already made a fool of itself....but I agree, considering that it's the US, a lawsuit should be filed....let them spend the next 5 years defending themselves in the courts..... Big grin


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11078 times:

Ah, finally 9W to the US of A. I think its exciting news. AI now has competition, maybe they will run their flights on time from here on (wishful thinking?). However, no AI or 9W at my home airport-IAD, which is surprising and sad, not shocking as IAD doesn't get priority over EWR or JFK on the east coast.

I hope one of them realize that a non-stop or even one stop (from MXP or FCO) from BOM/DEL-IAD would do good business.



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User currently offlineDallasnewark From Estonia, joined Nov 2005, 495 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11078 times:

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 4):
Secondly 9W should now initiate legal action against the US company for making baseless allegation against it.

Baseless allegations? The last time I checked, English is not a native language of India, and they should of expected that there would be some other existing company named Jet Airways in US.

I guess that travel agency gave up too quickly, they could have taken Jet Airways to the cleaners or at least made them to alter their name.

Jet Airways should be thankful that it was resolved qucikly or without any legal issues.



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User currently offlinePNQIAD From India, joined May 2006, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11078 times:

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 15):
The last time I checked, English is not a native language of India, and they should of expected that there would be some other existing company named Jet Airways in US.

What does India's native language have anything to do with this? And I would check my English before commenting on others' English skills.

Also, IIRC, the objection was not solely over the common name but alledged that 9W received funding from questionale sources and hence was a security risk.

And finally, you don't really need a reason to sue someone in the US - so 9W might as well try to screw the other namesake....  Smile


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3129 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11079 times:

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 15):
Baseless allegations? The last time I checked, English is not a native language of India, and they should of expected that there would be some other existing company named Jet Airways in US.

I guess that travel agency gave up too quickly, they could have taken Jet Airways to the cleaners or at least made them to alter their name.

Jet Airways should be thankful that it was resolved qucikly or without any legal issues.

I don't really get your point about English not being a native language of India....what are your trying to say? (I assume English IS your native language?)

If you read the following article, it is quite clear that Jet Airways Inc. is a company without even 1 single aircraft, who took the opportunity to sling mud against an Indian company to try and stop them entering the US market....the issue they tried to raise was of terror links and not the use of the Jet Airways name....

Jet Airways (9W) on the other hand, is a company incorporated in India and operating regular scheduled flights for over a decade now....they applied for rights to fly to the US in a proper manner and, after an unwarranted delay, have been cleared by the US authorities themselves.....

Quite obviously, the charges raised by Jet Airways Inc. were baseless and hollow, else 9W would never have been cleared to fly to the US.....

4 June, 2005: India’s private airline carrier Jet Airways has run over an unexpected hurdle which it encountered in US terrain: A namesake.

Jet Airways Inc, a registered airliner based in Bethesda, Maryland, put up a hurdle to Jet’s ambitious US foray by dragging an Al Qaeda, Dawood connection to the Indian private carrier. It wanted the Indian Jet to be barred from flying to US.

In a complaint filed to the US Department of Transport on May 23, the Delaware-based Jet said permitting Jet would endanger US national security as the Indian carrier “had Al Qaeda” links.

The US Jet’s complaints, filed on May 23, 21 days after Jet filed its application,
were based on some unconfirmed media reports in India. Jet Airways Inc said its Indian namesake was funded by underworld don Dawood Ibrahim, since it was launched in 1991. Gangster Dawood Ibrahim is in UN’s most wanted list of individuals having links with Al Qaeda, founded by terror mastermind Osama bin laden.

The US Jet’s complaints were as wild and unsubstantiated as the media reports it were based. Sample this: “"Secretary (Department of Transportaion) Mineta would never welcome Jet Airways (India) if he was made aware of Naresh Goyal (Chairman of Jet Airways, India0 and Dawood Ibrahim's plan to inflict real and imminent danger on the United States."

Jet (India) slammed the allegations as “sensational, unsupported and offensive but also scurrilous”. In its reply filed last month, Jet India said the complaint has “ falsely accused the Jet Airways of being an "Al-Qaeda airline" and has otherwise attempted to besmirch the reputation of the company and its chairman"

Jet India said in its reply that all aircraft acquisitions and operations have been financed through internationally accredited multilateral institutions and banks including the Export Import bank of US, International Finance Corporation and other reputed banks and FIIS.

The US Jet, which does not even have an aircraft in its possession, didn’t seem to have much takers among US authorities. Jet Airways India has a fleet of 42 aircraft.
It was also the lone objection raised against Jet India’s plans.

The Port Authority of Newark has rubbished the US jets claim. It has supported the Indian Jet’s entry with the US Department of Transport. Jet has selected Newark as its first destination in US for its Mumbai-US flight.

The complaint against the Indian airliner comes as the US Department of Transport
gives 21 days for other parties to raise objections on any new entrant. Media reports say the US Jet was more concerned about the trade name Jet and that the Al Qaeda-Dawood link was just a ruse to stir up anti-terror passions in the US a bid to block the Indian airline’s entry.


User currently offlineDallasnewark From Estonia, joined Nov 2005, 495 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11079 times:

My point was about the name of company, if a foreign company and a US company have the same name, than it poses a problem and if the incorporation records are correct, the foreign company coming to do business on US soil would have to ammend it's name. Jet(India) is lucky that the Jet(US) did not follow up with that request, since the Jet(India) would have an extremely arduous time in court regarding it's naming rights

And try to be a bit more open minded my "Canadian" friend, you treat the press report of one company as a Bible and of the second company as a yellow press journalism.

If the reports were not true, Jet(India) would have filed a defamation lawsuit already against Jet(US), but they are hiding something, the allegations of JET(US) may have a lot of bullcrap but there's probably some truth to it



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User currently offlineDallasnewark From Estonia, joined Nov 2005, 495 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11079 times:

Quoting PNQIAD (Reply 16):
What does India's native language have anything to do with this? And I would check my English before commenting on others' English skills.

Also, IIRC, the objection was not solely over the common name but alledged that 9W received funding from questionale sources and hence was a security risk.

And finally, you don't really need a reason to sue someone in the US - so 9W might as well try to screw the other namesake....

I made a mistake from typing too fast, unfortunately once it got posted I couldn't recall it back. My point was on naming rights of the company, Jet Airways may have to ammend it's name since there's already a company registered with this corporate name



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User currently offlinePNQIAD From India, joined May 2006, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11079 times:

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 19):
Jet Airways may have to ammend it's name since there's already a company registered with this corporate name

Not necessary. A company incorporated in a different state in the US can have an exact same name as a company incorporated say in MD. Here we are talking about companies in two different countries.


User currently offlineJammin From India, joined Nov 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11079 times:

Congratulations to Jet Airways! Looking forward to flying them soon...


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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2135 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11078 times:

Jet Airways (USA) first used their trademarked name in commerce on October 23, 2002, which is well after Jet Airways was an established brand in India. The spouse of the "CEO and President" of Jet Airways (USA) is/was one Samuel Ramachandra. Draw from that what conclusions you will.


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User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11078 times:

Here is the official DOT order granting rights to 9W.
http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429456_web.pdf



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User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11078 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 5):
But sadly for BLR and MAA (sorry for someone from there on this forum) South India doesn't get covered until late 2007 or 2008.

Wasn't 9W's intention to build up long haul operations from DEL & BOM but not from other cities in India?



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25 Blrsea : Does India and China have 5th freedom agreement in their bilaterals? Or is it going to be just a technical stop? What are the current max number of f
26 Post contains links and images Aseem : Here is a classic example. Purolator is registered trademark of two companies, one is a courier and other is maker of oil filters. http://www.purolat
27 Post contains images Gr8Circle : You seem to base your arguments on a lot of imagined "facts"....not a very strong position to argue from, really....and what's it with you, pointing
28 Sshank : This is a moot point till they join an alliance and sufficiently sweeten their FF program. I for one will not be rushing to fly 9W until that happens.
29 Post contains links Behramjee : 9W cannot fly to YYZ via HKG with 5th freedom pax rights as the Canada-India bilateral treaty doesnt permit it! http://dgca.gov.in/bilateral/canada06
30 Gigneil : There is just absolutely nothing at all correct about any of that. NS
31 Schipholjfk : Will Jet continue to charge Indian residents one fare (lower) and foreign nationals a higher fare? I was told by a ticketing agent at Delhi airport in
32 Sammyk : " target=_blank>http://www.pureoil.com/ One of those actually used to own the other at one point. The filter company owned the courier company.
33 Stirling : Funny that.....there are more English speakers in India than there are in the U.S.A.
34 Ryanair!!! : Nothing surprising about that at all. At the end of that day, the airline's objective is profits. IAD, sad to say, is not the business capital and mi
35 Feroze : While I was in Delhi earlier this week, I read in HT or ToI that the US$ fare for foreigners is to be scrapped by the major airlines, with Jet alread
36 Kiramakora : This has been scrapped by all airlines including 9W. Also, two-tier pricing only applied to domestic Indian segments which are not under the purview
37 Post contains images Nimish : I'm actually quite happy they're focussing on BOM/DEL at the moment - as until they join a FFP alliance (*A comes to mind ), I'd rather stick to flyi
38 Desh : Roger that ! This indeed great news ! Jet is a good airline hopefully they will stay that way .... I agree IAD-BOM direct would be awesome .... not s
39 Post contains images Buck3y3nut : this is great news. AI will now finally realize that it has some competition maybe that will encourage them to improve their product... jet is amazing
40 Blrsea : While I don't fault your logic, I would like more service to Bangalore to just drive the prices down!! BA is too expensive for SEA-BLR, with fares re
41 Cricket : But until the new airport comes up, adding additional capacity at BLR right now is going to make things worse - but once the new airport and new serv
42 Mk777 : Well KE, NH and SV are the only asian carriers at IAD, so you are right. Its surprising though that being the capital city airport, it doesn't see ot
43 Tonyban : Any chance that 9W could serve SJC.....and label it a 'SILICON VALLEY' TO 'SILICON VALLEY' link !!! ??
44 Abrelosojos : = With the embassies, the World Bank, the IMF, and a plethora of other international agencies, I doubt this would be a reason. If you disagree, look
45 Dallasnewark : Can't agree with you. Why don't you registered a corporation with the name of General Motors overseas and try to come into US markets selling cars, l
46 Abrelosojos : = You are comparing apples and oranges. Jet Airways USA would lose the battle in U.S. courts because it does not have any tangible assets and is not
47 Post contains links Jaysit : You're comparing apples with oranges. The scope of a legal trademark is determined on whether there is "likelihood of confusion." Thus, there is a wh
48 Sammyk : Registering a name in one country does not give it universal protection. Why do you think General Motors has their name registered in different count
49 Karan69 : Besides the 4 routes announced DEL-HKG-YYZ, DEL-DUS-YYZ,BOM-BRU-EWR and BOM-PVG-SFO [8 Wide Body aircrafts] where are the remaining 12 Wide Bodies gon
50 LAXDESI : I hope they consider Australia and Japan/Korea. I thought Jet had plans to fly to some European cities with terminator flights.
51 Sammyk : I thought they had mentioned South Africa, Kenya, and Mauritius?
52 Timberwolf24 : What other cities in North America is Jet Airways looking at?
53 Post contains links LIPZ : Rome, Frankfurt, Munich and Zurich according to the press. http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanhe...v172006/national22251120061116.asp
54 Post contains images LASOctoberB6 : any chance of it servicing LAS? or did LAX steal that service too...........
55 BlrBird : Has IT really ordered these aircrafts? Airbus website does not list them!
56 Mk777 : Nothing besides YYZ, SFO or EWR yet, but I would love to see them do DEL-FCO-IAD. what do you think?
57 Schipholjfk : So it is okay for U.S. based airlines to charge Indian citizens more in U.S. segments? Makes no sense. It is a shame that U.S. Govt has approved an a
58 Sammyk : I think you have misunderstood. For one, they no longer have the two tier structure so it no longer matters. Second, it is not based on nationality.
59 Kiramakora : The U.S. government requests visas for Indians and not for the Dutch. Is it backward as well? There are many systems in place that address certain ma
60 Post contains images HAWK21M : Great news.Any link with the B773ER Delivery scheduled in 2007 & this regds MEL
61 Feroze : Before the implementation of the new policy, only Indian citizens and foreigners with Indian residence permits qualified for the INR fare. ALL others
62 CHI787ORD : Probably not. You'll see service to ORD, SFO, LAX, IAH, IAD, SEA, etc, before 9W would even consider LAS.
63 Post contains images Sammyk : Hmm, I guess that's what did it then.
64 Jaysit : This isn't Jet Airways policy, I believe. It's the policy of the Govt. of India. I believe that some Indian carriers violate the policy or ask for an
65 Kiramakora : I do not think you understood the subtlety of my argument. You have the visa policy in place to address concerns of outbound migration to the U.S. It
66 Jaysit : But the issue of fairness isn't a concern in my critique of the dual pricing policy adopted by the GOI. My concern is purely economic, because these
67 Mk777 : No offense to anyone, but what has all this go to do with 9W getting clearance to US?? Lets discuss some new routes 9W would or should deploy to europ
68 Kiramakora : Well, my responses were about de-jure fairness of systems in place and not de-facto results of its implications. I was responding to SchipolJFK. Agre
69 Kiramakora : Agreed and apologies. Jaysit, please PM to continue conversation. I will not add to irrelevant posts here on this thread anymore. A friend of mine at
70 Gr8Circle : I heard that the days of this dual and discriminatory pricing are coming to an end...the President himself ordered that it be discontinued....is that
71 A342 : I thought they wanted to fly BOM-MUC-YYZ ? Oh well, I hope they come to MUC one way or another.
72 Jaysit : And, yet, India has a Ministry of Tourism that spends billions of dollars of the tax payers money. You may as well abolish it altogether since the ma
73 Abrelosojos : = As a white person who recently returned from an extensive trip to India, I don't agree with this statement. = I will overlook the condescending nat
74 Jaysit : Then you got lucky. While there are sections within the GOI who are indeed forward looking and cosmopolitan (by which I mean having a global outlook
75 Abrelosojos : = But do you recognize how inherently western-centric your argument is? When I travel to a certain country, I go there to understand it. To do so, yo
76 Jaysit : Well, "western-centrism" as it applies to the governance of large inherently Western institutions (airports, airlines, roadways, electric grids, mode
77 LASOctoberB6 : surely we are not slinging eachother here are we? the last 5 or so posts have nothing to do with 9W receiving the green light to the U.S. all these un
78 Jaysit : Dude, 99.99% of what's said on A.net isn't relevant to anything. What is your point? Incidentally, the point here was the dual airfare policy that ai
79 Abrelosojos : = Modern India also does not have place for arm-length outsiders with a narrow construct of "well-being" defining what it needs and does not need to
80 InitRef : Are you an arms-length outsider too or an Indian? just curious because your trip reports imply that you were merely travelling in India. The people I
81 Mk777 : Is there a lot of demand on the DEL-GVA sector?? LX already flies from BOM, isn't that competition for 9W? DEL-GVA-EWR should become DEL-FCO-BOS or I
82 Abrelosojos : I am arms-lenght as well and I am not Indian. Hence, I do not feel it necessary to lecture on my views of a modern India. Indians will figure out wha
83 InitRef : OK understood, and yes the Indians will definitely get what they want. Back to topic, 9W has a project team working on the B777 intro to service and
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