BizFlyer From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 25479 times:
Anything like this happens in an airline that I would trust (e.g. Lufthansa or KLM, to name just two), would mean that the captain would lose his job.
I as a passenger do not have any interest whatsoever to entrust my life to a person who obviously is not a teamplayer and who puts his own (idiotic) opinions over everything else around him.
If PIA further tolerates this person as a memeber of it´s flying staff, then I will definitely NOT fly with them - EVER.
Art From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 25480 times:
From the translation I read on the other forum, it appears that the pilot did not want to be served by a non-Muslim F/A. That's OK. However, the purser moved the F/A to work elsewhere. That's not OK. If a Muslim pilot wants to be served exclusively by Muslims, let him eat and drink only when a Muslim happens to be assigned the duty of serving the pilots. If a pilot does not like that, he/she can always leave PIA. The presence of such pilots is hardly good for crew morale.
HBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 19559 times:
As a purser, I would have told him that he could also move his a*s to the galley to get his meal if he didn't want to be served........
No reason to make a big deal out of it.
Idiots are all around every culture, not only muslims or whoever
The only thing he should think of getting : A LIFE.
Remcor From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 18944 times:
Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 9): I'm sure there is no such ridiculous restriction in the Holy Koran, but trust the mullahs to invent something like that if it suits them.... Big grin
No, there's no such thing written.
In one of the messages on the PIA board a muslim notes that the Prophet Mohammed himself ate at non-Muslim households.
Likewise there's also no such thing written that says that muslim women must be veiled. And there's no such thing that says that muslim women cannot work or go to school (the Prophet Mohammed's first wife and the one he really loved exclusively for 25 years until her death) was a very successful businesswomen (which was very unusual at the time).
Someone tell these fundamentalists that if you look at the Koran _in the context of life in 6th century Arabia_ it actually promotes a somewhat liberal doctrine.
Actually that PIA forum website is pretty funny. One user: Don't jump to conclusions, what if the guy was just scratching his balls or picking his nose?
YULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 16412 times:
Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 7): That's the truth. Islam isn't fundamentally different than many other religons. And like many other religons it has been corrupted by it's leaders through the use of ignorance and 'blind faith'.
However civil airliners pilots are highly educated people, and those who fly international long-haul are supposed to be the best and most experienced of them. Not much to do with ignorance here.
Out of curiosity, what's PIA status regarding the State of Pakistan -this could influence an official religion at PIA, if any-; what is exactly the status of Islam for the State of Pakistan, is it the official religion?
SixtySeven From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14569 times:
Forget all that. Are all pilots there Muslim?
If they aren't, what kind of CRM is this guy going to have on a dark stormy night when a non-muslin FO, or any crew member for that matter has valid, crucial input to make in the safe operation/conclusion of the flight?
Political/Religious tolerance aside. This man is the commander of the aircraft. Such short sighted actions could have me wonder what this mans state of mind is when conducting a flight. When does it stop, what are his boundaries in terms of accepting advise/assistance from someone not belonging to his belief system.
This harkens back to a failed takeoff clearance in Tenerife when a timid FO dared to question "THE CAPTAIN". He did it once, likely with fear of reprisal. His failure to do it a second time and the CRM of the time caused the loss of hundreds of lives.
We can only hope this Captain is never in such a situation.
Flybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14563 times:
I don't understand the outrage... many of the same people here would have a plane turned around and a passenger arrested if that passenger so much as rolls their eyes at the crew... and defending such an option as the right of the flight commander.
The captain is the supreme authority aboard the aircraft he commands. Though he did something that was in poor taste, at no time was the aircraft, crew, or passengers in danger. Unless the PIA (or relevent nations) have rules against his conduct, he was within his rights. Plain and simple.
"Are you a pretender... or a thoroughbred?!" - Professor Matt Miller
Wow, this man is a genius.... Sure makes Islam look GREAT. Someone should give that captain a medal of honor, b/c we all know other Islamic peoples think that way, and he's just standing up for what's yours!
I hope this moron's aviation career is finished. Pakistan is a progressive Islamic nation....so there's no doubt that this situation will be properly dealt.
God is good, all the time. All the time, God is good.
Bahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1791 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13166 times:
some people took the liberty to show their ignorance to insult Islam to condemn the actions of this stupid captain.. It is amazing, the majority of them are coming the country of FoxNews.. barf..
DMAJ7TH From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 38 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12032 times:
Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 34): It's a shame that most of the opinions published in this thread are based on a crappy, biased translation of the original article.
i agree. i think the majority of you all are overly fascinated when airline pilots get themselves involved in real life, personal issues. maybe this is due to the fact that most of the people's flying experiences on this thread are limited to home PC flight simulators and private pilot activity - and to make a real life airline pilot ,who flies real life airliners, look human and point out his human shortcomings is just soooooo much fun for y'all. lets get back to talking about things like what triple 7's are being broken up early, or, "what registration number is the airplane in this picture?" ill probably get crucified for saying this, but i don't care anymore.