BizFlyer From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 46 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 24147 times:
Anything like this happens in an airline that I would trust (e.g. Lufthansa or KLM, to name just two), would mean that the captain would lose his job.
I as a passenger do not have any interest whatsoever to entrust my life to a person who obviously is not a teamplayer and who puts his own (idiotic) opinions over everything else around him.
If PIA further tolerates this person as a memeber of it´s flying staff, then I will definitely NOT fly with them - EVER.
Art From Lebanon, joined Feb 2005, 2937 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 24148 times:
From the translation I read on the other forum, it appears that the pilot did not want to be served by a non-Muslim F/A. That's OK. However, the purser moved the F/A to work elsewhere. That's not OK. If a Muslim pilot wants to be served exclusively by Muslims, let him eat and drink only when a Muslim happens to be assigned the duty of serving the pilots. If a pilot does not like that, he/she can always leave PIA. The presence of such pilots is hardly good for crew morale.
Osiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3182 posts, RR: 26 Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 24148 times:
Quoting AsoRock (Reply 3): Islam is all about tolerance, and it is obvious a lack of education in poor countries only fuels fundamentalist thought.
That's the truth. Islam isn't fundamentally different than many other religons. And like many other religons it has been corrupted by it's leaders through the use of ignorance and 'blind faith'.
I don't care what you think of my opinion. It's my opinion, so have a nice day :)
MD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1290 posts, RR: 22 Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 24147 times:
He's the Captain. It is his call. He has the authority granted to him and his crew members will comply. He will have to just accept the risk of getting a "little extra" in his meal.
HBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 376 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 18227 times:
As a purser, I would have told him that he could also move his a*s to the galley to get his meal if he didn't want to be served........
No reason to make a big deal out of it.
Idiots are all around every culture, not only muslims or whoever
The only thing he should think of getting : A LIFE.
PIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17788 times:
Thats so stupid. I actually know people who will not eat at an Indian
restaurant. They are so stupid.
Remcor From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 351 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17612 times:
Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 9): I'm sure there is no such ridiculous restriction in the Holy Koran, but trust the mullahs to invent something like that if it suits them.... Big grin
No, there's no such thing written.
In one of the messages on the PIA board a muslim notes that the Prophet Mohammed himself ate at non-Muslim households.
Likewise there's also no such thing written that says that muslim women must be veiled. And there's no such thing that says that muslim women cannot work or go to school (the Prophet Mohammed's first wife and the one he really loved exclusively for 25 years until her death) was a very successful businesswomen (which was very unusual at the time).
Someone tell these fundamentalists that if you look at the Koran _in the context of life in 6th century Arabia_ it actually promotes a somewhat liberal doctrine.
Actually that PIA forum website is pretty funny. One user: Don't jump to conclusions, what if the guy was just scratching his balls or picking his nose?
PIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 7 Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17512 times:
Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 9): I'm sure there is no such ridiculous restriction in the Holy Koran, but trust the mullahs to invent something like that if it suits them....
There isn't any. Just alot of stupid people in Pakistan. The guys looks Pakistani. The only difference is that he a different Religion. I think
The Pilot should be suspended.
YULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2111 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 15080 times:
Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 7): That's the truth. Islam isn't fundamentally different than many other religons. And like many other religons it has been corrupted by it's leaders through the use of ignorance and 'blind faith'.
However civil airliners pilots are highly educated people, and those who fly international long-haul are supposed to be the best and most experienced of them. Not much to do with ignorance here.
Out of curiosity, what's PIA status regarding the State of Pakistan -this could influence an official religion at PIA, if any-; what is exactly the status of Islam for the State of Pakistan, is it the official religion?
SixtySeven From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 275 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13237 times:
Forget all that. Are all pilots there Muslim?
If they aren't, what kind of CRM is this guy going to have on a dark stormy night when a non-muslin FO, or any crew member for that matter has valid, crucial input to make in the safe operation/conclusion of the flight?
Political/Religious tolerance aside. This man is the commander of the aircraft. Such short sighted actions could have me wonder what this mans state of mind is when conducting a flight. When does it stop, what are his boundaries in terms of accepting advise/assistance from someone not belonging to his belief system.
This harkens back to a failed takeoff clearance in Tenerife when a timid FO dared to question "THE CAPTAIN". He did it once, likely with fear of reprisal. His failure to do it a second time and the CRM of the time caused the loss of hundreds of lives.
We can only hope this Captain is never in such a situation.
Flybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1791 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13231 times:
I don't understand the outrage... many of the same people here would have a plane turned around and a passenger arrested if that passenger so much as rolls their eyes at the crew... and defending such an option as the right of the flight commander.
The captain is the supreme authority aboard the aircraft he commands. Though he did something that was in poor taste, at no time was the aircraft, crew, or passengers in danger. Unless the PIA (or relevent nations) have rules against his conduct, he was within his rights. Plain and simple.
"Are you a pretender... or a thoroughbred?!" - Professor Matt Miller
RiddlePilot215 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 315 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12175 times:
Quoting Thud (Thread starter): I HATE BIGOTS. Goes a long way to expalin the mess the nation is in.
If this was a Western airline, this man would be out on his ear!!
Wow, this man is a genius.... Sure makes Islam look GREAT. Someone should give that captain a medal of honor, b/c we all know other Islamic peoples think that way, and he's just standing up for what's yours!
I hope this moron's aviation career is finished. Pakistan is a progressive Islamic nation....so there's no doubt that this situation will be properly dealt.
God is good, all the time. All the time, God is good.
Newagebird From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 64 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12104 times:
that guy needs a happy meal
Having lived around muslims for a long time, they are increasingly allowing greater opportunities for women as well as non muslims so this is just one bad apple who has his morals screwed around
AC777LR From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 487 posts, RR: 46 Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12023 times:
I thought most of their pilots where from Canada, USA, Australia and the UK? What a guy!!!! I hope he knows that plane is is flying was probably built by non Muslims
Bahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1727 posts, RR: 12 Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11834 times:
Obviously,
some people took the liberty to show their ignorance to insult Islam to condemn the actions of this stupid captain.. It is amazing, the majority of them are coming the country of FoxNews.. barf..
DMAJ7TH From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 38 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10700 times:
Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 34): It's a shame that most of the opinions published in this thread are based on a crappy, biased translation of the original article.
Rgds.
i agree. i think the majority of you all are overly fascinated when airline pilots get themselves involved in real life, personal issues. maybe this is due to the fact that most of the people's flying experiences on this thread are limited to home PC flight simulators and private pilot activity - and to make a real life airline pilot ,who flies real life airliners, look human and point out his human shortcomings is just soooooo much fun for y'all. lets get back to talking about things like what triple 7's are being broken up early, or, "what registration number is the airplane in this picture?" ill probably get crucified for saying this, but i don't care anymore.
Kiramakora From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 532 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9950 times:
Quoting PIA777 (Reply 17): Thats so stupid. I actually know people who will not eat at an Indian
restaurant. They are so stupid.
PIA777
... and to think most Indian restaurants in the U.S. are not even Indian owned. Oh well.
25 Rolfen: Nothing new. I was told that during the last war in lebanon, chia refugees fled in masses to the christian town of zahle. The people of zahle, in a g
26 LeftWing: he is jealous of indians,....and bollywood !
27 777MAS: It's not just Pakistan. Here in Malaysia, supposedly a moderate Muslim-majority country, we get BIGOTS who also display such tendencies. Classic: it'
28 MD88Captain: I found this Captain's behavior indefensible, but after seeing "Borat" I now understand the cultural differences.
29 Gr8Circle: Well, I just hope this particular captain has a heart attack or some other medical condition on some future flight and the only doctor onboard is a n
30 KHI747: No,nothing is written anywhere that would allow this incident to happen.The only food conditions that are to be respected have to do with hygiene,sla
31 Abrelosojos: = Oh my God, it reminded me of an incident on board MH's flight on KUL-DXB-EWR when one super bitchy flight attendant spassed out on some Indian pass
32 777way: Abrelosojos, your posts, their tone, composition style all smack of South Asian manner, are you a Leichtenstien native or is it your adopted country?
33 PIA777: I would not say that but some are. In Chicago on Devon Ave, most of the Indian Restaurants are authentic Indian and the same goes for Pakistani. PIA7
34 Abrelosojos: = I wish/hope . Liechtenstein is my native country. I have been living in Venezuela for the past 2 years. My current assignment as an aviation consul
35 EWRCabincrew: I have seen this type, thankfully not often, before. Do I think it's disgusting? No. Idiotic? Yes. Childish? Yes. If being served by a certain crew me
36 Abrelosojos: = Curious. Why dont you think its disgusting? -A.
37 EWRCabincrew: It is not how I would describe it. His behaviour was childish, idiotic, reprehensible, asinine, not appropriate and so on. His behaviour showed his t
38 Abrelosojos: = Hmmm ... unless ... the other cabin crew liked that . Ok, I really am hungover and need cafe. -A.
39 EWRCabincrew: I know a couple of those, too. must.........get.........cafe McDonald's french fries and a coke did the trick for me when I was hungover.
40 Art: What does that mean? How can any state whose ethics and ethos are married to past religious teachings be termed progressive?
41 IAirAllie: True the Captain it the ultimate authority on board the plane but he will still be held accountable for his actions by the CPO and company if he abus
42 Justapassenger: I see no difference between this captain and the AA captain, a couple of years ago, who asked the Christian passengers on his flight to convert the no
43 MotorHussy: Bugger, hope the poor bastard doesn't ever get stranded in some infidel country where he'll end up having to starve himself to death. You go to Hell f
44 Knightsofmalta: I think 'progressive' is definitely the very last adjective I would ever use to describe Pakistan!
45 MotorHussy: Or did he convert to Islam and start flying for PK? MH
46 Justapassenger: MotorHussey, Good one! It would be nice to think that there is only one religious fanatic who is being recycled throughout the pilot community.
47 Aviator27: Said American Airlines Captain was severly reprimanded.
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