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Lufthansa To Announce Longhaul-order!  
User currently offlineJohnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17524 times:

According to LH internal sources the expected Longhaul-order will be announced in December 2006 and not in 2007!

The also expected shorthaul-order is delayed UFN. (which most probably include the A300-600 replacement-order)

Johnny

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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17532 times:

So they decided to get long-haul and postpone short-haul.

What about mid/long-haul like the 787/350-size?


User currently offlineDougbr2006 From Brazil, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17530 times:

What about the regional divison !

User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17538 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 1):
What about mid/long-haul like the 787/350-size?

The 787 / A350 is considered long-haul. There is no mid long-haul.


User currently offlineJohnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17549 times:

Another interesting update:

The decision is already done!

AND:

It will most likely be a Boeing/Airbus-Split order...

Let the speculation begin...

 Smile


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30522 posts, RR: 84
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17548 times:
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I and a few others have been speculating whether or not GECAS is taking 15 773ERs to place with LH to begin replacing 744s. I know I am on record saying LH wouldn't buy them since they have the A346 in their fleet and more on order, however a 10-12 year lease would tide LH over until the A350-1000/787-11/Y3 is available.

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17539 times:

Well first, does this also include freighters (the order) or is it just for the passenger side. Any word on when in Dec they'll be making an announcement?

IMO, 787s from Boeing and more A380s for the passenger side.

748F for the cargo.



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User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17541 times:

Didnt LH say that they will wait for the XWB? If that is the case then it would mean that Airbus would have completed their offer to LH vis-a-vis the new improved XWB and LH have made a choice. IMO the deal will be for More A380's (LH has said that they will be buying more) and the 787 !

User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17543 times:

Quoting Johnny (Thread starter):
According to LH internal sources the expected Longhaul-order will be announced in December 2006 and not in 2007!

What sources are we talking here Johnny?



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User currently offlineEatmybologna From France, joined Apr 2005, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17541 times:

I'm guessing that they'll go with either one of the two following options:

1. Take SU's left over delivery slot for 20 787s with options for more.

2. Become a launch customer for the A350xwb.

E-M-B



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User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17538 times:

Quoting Eatmybologna (Reply 9):
Become a launch customer for the A350xwb.

Doesnt the XWB allready have launch customers? Maybe they'd be launch customers for 350-1000


User currently offlineJohnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17547 times:

@NYC777
As far as i am informed it is concerning the Passenger-fleet only.


@ USAF336TFS

This question is not meant seriously, isn´t it...?  Smile


Johnny


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17548 times:

Quoting Johnny (Reply 11):
As far as i am informed it is concerning the Passenger-fleet only.

Ahh, then forget the 747. They'll go with the 787, A380 (exercise options), and as far as the 77W/A346 it's a toss up. That one can go either way.

I think they have a board meeting on Dec. 6th so perhaps that when the announcement or a deicision will be made.

[Edited 2006-11-16 21:05:13]


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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17548 times:

Quoting Johnny (Reply 11):
@ USAF336TFS

This question is not meant seriously, isn´t it...?

I don't think I ask silly questions Johnny, publically, or I try not to...  Big grin

It was serious question.

My wife is in management for them here in the States and we've heard nothing but what has been Mayruber's previous statements concerning their widebody order.
Look, like you, I can't wait to find out either, so I'm asking where are the reports coming from? Inside Germany? News media? What?



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17548 times:

Well this it too good to be true since LH management recently stated that they will wait until next spring.
But if Johnny is right -what I really hope - I guess we will see 787s from Boeing, maybe 777 and more A380s from Airbus.



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User currently offlineFlyinTLow From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17547 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
I and a few others have been speculating whether or not GECAS is taking 15 773ERs to place with LH to begin replacing 744s. I know I am on record saying LH wouldn't buy them since they have the A346 in their fleet and more on order, however a 10-12 year lease would tide LH over until the A350-1000/787-11/Y3 is available.

It's LH's policy to not lease. LH ONLY buys a/c.

Cheers,
Thilo



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User currently offlineJohnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17547 times:

@ USAF336TFS

Let me say it like this:

I did not hear it from the media or somebody NOT involved in the board which decided this long-awaited order.

At this stage I cannot be more precise to you...
Sorry!


Johnny


User currently offlineUA777300ER From Belgium, joined Jun 2006, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15104 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
however a 10-12 year lease would tide LH over until the A350-1000/787-11/Y3 is available.

I must have missed the speculation/info on the 787-11 model. What is this variant expected to be?


Tom


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15103 times:

Quoting Johnny (Thread starter):
The also expected shorthaul-order is delayed UFN. (which most probably include the A300-600 replacement-order)

Hi Johnny,

so there will be a "real" A300-600 replacement ?



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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15103 times:

Looks like there is some good news coming for both manufacturers on the wide body front.

How likely is it to see additional A380 orders from LH in December?
I know LH's CEO has said it is a given they will order more superjumbos at some point, but will it be done now already? LH could take advantage of the FedEx cancellation to get some pretty early delivery positions...

And how likely is a mixed 787/A350 order?
If LH were to take let's say the 787-9 (8 abreast) and the A350-1000, they would get the best of both worlds (with 2 very different planes capacity wise) and leave the possibility open for a small fleet of 787-3s later.

Included in the deal for 787s could be an interim lease of 777s while waiting for the A350-1000s in a similar way as Airbus is doing to SQ with A330s.

All this is just a personal idea of course, but given the fact the timing of the announcement is suddenly brought forward to shortly AFTER EADS will give the go-ahead to the A350XWB (possibly with a secret LH commitment on their table?) AND the sudden purchase of 773ERs by GECAS (which is well connected to the 777 program) it could be there are some good indications...


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10630 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15103 times:

As long as the 747-8I is in the mix and the 773 out I´m fine. I heard no 787s for LH, but only believe it when the announcement comes.

But: every week we hear LH is going to announce something very soon, next month, not this year, probably next week, and so on and on...


User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15103 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 1):
What about mid/long-haul like the 787/350-size?

If a 8500nm 787 isn't long haul... what is? (aside from 772LR)

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 12):
They'll go with the 787, A380 (exercise options), and as far as the 77W/A346 it's a toss up.

Agree with all except the 77W/A346 toss up.
Maybe internally at LH they aren't sure but last time i checked there was truely no competition between the 773ER and A346 as far as performance. 773ER shines brighter in that one. (No disrespect to the A340 as its my favorite A a/c...)

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 15):
It's LH's policy to not lease. LH ONLY buys a/c.

Is this really a written policy somewhere? or are you just speculating because of the airlines history? Never rule out anything... in this day in age where costs are rising a company will do what is best for its bottom line, now, today. Not just because they have a tradition of doing something contradictory to it.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15103 times:

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 15):
It's LH's policy to not lease. LH ONLY buys a/c.

Finally someone answers my question (the one I made in the GECAS UFO order thread). However LH does lease on a short term basis at least, both dry lease and ACMIs (remember the A332s and previously the NG 767s which flew for LH for a while, I presume pilots from DE flew the 767s for LH).

As for the speculations, I'm guessing maybe 10(firm)+5(options) 77Ws and perhaps 15+5 748Is. I'd hold my breath with the 787s, though I'm confident that eventually, the 787 will fly for LH and DE.


User currently offlineScaledesigns From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15103 times:

I smell a 777 order!!Maybe some leased 777s from GECAS??


F1 Tommy
User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2683 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15101 times:

Regarding the XWB - Can LH really wait 8+ years for this bird? Has the -1000 even been launched? Has anything even been launched?

25 Post contains images Beech19 : No... No... and um... No. Who knows if it ever will...
26 Scouseflyer : Nothing has been launched - but LH might be a launch customer (along with SQ) however I think that this order is going to be 787s and A380s[Edited 20
27 Mptpa : Never say never. SQ used to only finance the a/c purchases from cashflow it generated, and now they are leasing as well.
28 Beech19 : I didn't say they would never do something. I said "never rule out" and i was talking about them going away from "purchase only" to "leaseing also."
29 2wingtips : Re the GECAS 777 UFO order, it is pretty well known EK will take at least 5 773ERs from this and the order appears to be a 777F/773ER mix(not sure if
30 Post contains images Ken777 : I wouldn't be surprised if the earlier FedEx slots simply vanished - moving customers already facing delays up a bit. While Airbus would like the add
31 Stitch : It is indeed pure speculation at this time, but roughly it would be a bit smaller then the 773ER and a bit larger then the A3510 and A346. Length wou
32 Kaneporta1 : 787-8s and even 787-3s to replace the A306s. 787-9 or A350-800 to replace the A343s, that could go either way A350-1000 to replace the A346s More A380
33 Osiris30 : I'm guess the order will not include 350's. There hasn't been enough time for them to decide to order 350s yet. My guess is 87s and 80s. (Sorry for an
34 Stitch : This isn't an "all or nothing" order, is it? So LH could order the 787 (and 777?) in certain models, but such an order would not forestall an A350XWB
35 Post contains links Danny : http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...general_aviation/read.main/2961767
36 Post contains images Sabena332 : My sis' boyfriend's dog said that the dog of her boyfriend's parents knows something because it heard it somewhere from some dude, etc. etc. Sorry bu
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