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User currently offlineTl8490 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 161 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7113 times:

If ever there was a time to make nice with NW now is the time. At least with NW you get a truely global carrier with access to Asia.

The best for both employee groups at this point is to merge DL and NW....

Of course, I am not a bankrupcy expert and am not sure if they can merge as part of the process or if one of them has to exit before the process can start but, as anyone who cares at all for Delta ....NW is the only alternative that makes sense.

BTW ....anybody think a loan from AF/KL could be run through Skyteam to assist with the merger???

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User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2000 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6648 times:

You are correct. Jerry's Dream of no mergers is shot. How they did not see this coming, I don't know, especially if US was shopping around. Yesterday, the Wall Street Pundits said that $8B for Delta was under valuing it coming out of Chapter 11. There will be lots of politicians against this deal. Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-GA, an Atlanta area native, has already come out against it. Saxby Chambliss, GA's other Senator will oppose as well. So will both Senators from Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Utah, Kentucky, and Ohio. While that is only 12 Senators, they come from both parties, and Congress will scrutinize this. US Airways has already dumped BWI, and PIT. CLT, CVG, and PHL will be next.

It's time to go to MSP and make a deal, and then the creditors might oppose the US Airways deal. US, on the other hand, will make a fortune on Delta's bonds in this deal.

It reminds me a little of the rush to buy National in the late 70's, when the "experts" decided the value of the airline was exceeded by the value of its equipment, 727's and DC-10's. Eastern (Frank Borman/Pre Lorenzo), Texas Air (Lorenzo), and Pan Am (Ed Acker and Marty Shugrue) bid up the price and Pan Am walked away the loser and the owner of National.

Also there are shades of the movie Wall Street. Only this time, it's not the Charlie Sheen/Charlie Bryant character making all the trouble, but rather that bozos that ran Delta, especially Leo Mullin, Michelle Burns, and Co.


User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 754 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6522 times:

If Delta thought that US Airways would get the merger approved, would they go to Northwest and talk (I mean, if you have to merge, go with an airline thats reasonable)? NW i think is much more reasonable than US. Could DL secretly make a deal with NW before US Airways makes its move?


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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6378 times:

Quoting Tl8490 (Thread starter):
At least with NW you get a truely global carrier with access to Asia.

A Northwest and Delta merger would benefit both sides - Northwest flyers gain Europe, Delta flyers gain Asia.

Quoting Tl8490 (Thread starter):
BTW ....anybody think a loan from AF/KL could be run through Skyteam to assist with the merger???

How about through Boeing??? Maybe in exchange for some 777LRs and 787s.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6371 times:

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 2):
Could DL secretly make a deal with NW before US Airways makes its move?

Probably not legally.


User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6352 times:

i hope that if the two of them merge, DTW ends up being the largest hub. We really have fantastic terminals


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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2353 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6306 times:

Well one thing is for certain, if they merge there will be an overhaul of the fleet and many planes will be added to the desert. In time, the DC-9's and MD-88's would be gone, and I wouldnt be surprised if the 744's were sent on there way too, probably turned to freighters. This is if the airline ultimately remained under the current DL management's control. For the fact that more classic aircraft will be retired from the skies, I hope it doesn't happen.

The fleet probably would become:
738's
763's & 764's
752's, & 3's
A319's & 320's
A330's

They may even remove the 777's from the fleet, which DL currently own. It would not make sense having only 8 aircraft of the type with a large number A333's.



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User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6237 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 6):
They may even remove the 777's from the fleet, which DL currently own. It would not make sense having only 8 aircraft of the type with a large number A333's.

actually I think it would, due to the higher range of the 777s. The A333 overlaps more with the B764, imho...



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6237 times:
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What dou folks think would happen to the majority of NW ground service and CSA agents that are left after the new contract? With DLs creation of Global Services, how do you think it would effect the remaining "career" agents?

Many of us have looked for a merger/buyout between DL/CO/NW in some form for a really long time so if pundits are calling for consolidation this might now have a better chance.

One excuse for such combinations has always been to "lower excess capacity" With LFs running into the 90s what excess capacity are they talking about? Or would that just give more room for such as Virgin America and other proposed LCCs.



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User currently offlineJycarlisle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6225 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 3):
How about through Boeing??? Maybe in exchange for some 777LRs and 787s.

A random thought ... seeing a NW T7 painted in the newest scheme.  cloudnine 

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 5):
We really have fantastic terminals

The last time I was at DTW it look like it had improved a great deal from previous times I have flown in. I would hope that *if* a merger were to take place and *if* DTW would happen to be one of the hubs, that it would help improve Michigan's economy.  Wink

Looking forward to the flight into DTW next week.

Cheers,
Jeremy


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 5):
i hope that if the two of them merge, DTW ends up being the largest hub.

I think, great terminals aside, DTW would be f'd up trying to operate 1000+ flights out of the McNamara  Wink .


User currently offlineTL8490 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6069 times:

Jerry has always sided with shareholder value....he did it at Western and he will do it again here....the only difference here is he brought in Leo Mullin and he feels a little responsible for this mess.

Having US buy DL is like having Target buy Nordstroms.

AT the Velvet Rope Tour meeting yesterday Delta Execs said that this would not happen....not sure if that should be a sign of alarm or not....


User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6028 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 6):
They may even remove the 777's from the fleet, which DL currently own. It would not make sense having only 8 aircraft of the type with a large number A333's.

Don't forget that NW placed orders for 787's & 777's. So, if DL had any say in it this would be there way into the 787 replacements for the aging 767's and keep the current T7's and augment with the coming NW T7's. So, even after a possible DL/NW merger it would be a mixed fleet but you would probably see it more Boeing in the future than Airbus. Also, remember that NW also has Embraer e-jets coming as well.



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User currently offlineHjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 879 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5956 times:

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 12):
Don't forget that NW placed orders for 787's & 777's

Really? NW bought T7's. This is news to me!



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User currently offlineCAL From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 499 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5952 times:

Ok i know NW placed an order for 787's but when did they place an order for 777s???


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5891 times:

NW doesn't have any 777s on order. They were RUMORED to order the 777, but never actually placed an order.

User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5778 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 10):
I think, great terminals aside, DTW would be f'd up trying to operate 1000+ flights out of the McNamara .

Better extend Concourse B and C further, and start drawing up plans for a "Concourse D" to be located between Runways 4L and 4R.

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 12):
Don't forget that NW placed orders for 787's & 777's.

777s? That is new to me. I highly doubt that they would. There were rumors years ago of them getting 777s.


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5438 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5778 times:

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 2):
Could DL secretly make a deal with NW before US Airways makes its move?

Neither Delta nor Northwest can do much of anything without the approval of the court. Beyond day to day operations, they can only negotiate and propose deals, their approval authority died when they declared bankruptcy.

There is nothing to stop them from secretly negotiating a proposal and presenting it to the courts, although I can't imagine how they could beat US Airway's offer to the unsecured creditors nor can I imagine them being able to get all the loose ends of such a deal arranged soon (by February).



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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5366 times:

I would love to see a NW/DL Merger. IF that happened, I could see the hubs & focus cities as follows:

Hubs
1. DTW
2. ATL
3. MSP

Focus Cities
1. CVG
2. SLC*
3. MEM
4. JFK - International (DL)

* I could see SLC becoming a west-coast hub in the future

Just my .02



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User currently offlineZschocheImages From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5222 times:

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 18):
I would love to see a NW/DL Merger.

I agree completely. To me NW/DL are the best compliments of eachother. It wouldn't surprise me if this is where things head.



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User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5120 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 6):
The fleet probably would become:
738's
763's & 764's
752's, & 3's
A319's & 320's
A330's

They may even remove the 777's from the fleet, which DL currently own. It would not make sense having only 8 aircraft of the type with a large number A333's.

NWA has 50ea. 787's on order already. The 744's are not that old and would make no sense to just drop. Same is true with DL's 777's.


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2353 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4737 times:

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 12):
Don't forget that NW placed orders for 787's & 777's

I was unaware of that. Right after a large A330 order..are you sure?

Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 7):
actually I think it would, due to the higher range of the 777s. The A333 overlaps more with the B764

You might have a point there. It would depend on what routes were to keep and if indeed NW ordered 777s. I think it they would more likely opt for the A340 for fleet commonality.

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 20):
The 744's are not that old and would make no sense to just drop. Same is true with DL's 777's.

Northwest was the launch customer for the 744, part of their fleet is coming up on 20 years. The DL 777s are about 7-8 years old. Not very old but not exactly brand new either.

Merger's between airlines usually include reduction because the size of the two combined is not always practible. Some of these aircraft would surely disappear.



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User currently offlineTL8490 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

Let's face facts...Boeing is going to have alot to say in this process and if they could get NW traffic on Boeing jets they just might put up some money. My guess is they are not all that wild about US Airways calling the shots and ordering the jets in the future.

Has anyone thought about a private equity group coming forward to take Delta and Northwest private right after they emerge???


User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

well

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 10):
think, great terminals aside, DTW would be f'd up trying to operate 1000+ flights out of the McNamara

Well detroit, is currently building a much bigger, better terminal..



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User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6190 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Quoting M404 (Reply 8):
One excuse for such combinations has always been to "lower excess capacity" With LFs running into the 90s what excess capacity are they talking about? Or would that just give more room for such as Virgin America and other proposed LCCs.

Excess capacity is not about LFs. Excess capacity is about, for example, not being able to raise your fares by a measly $10... even though the LFs are into the 90's!



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25 Post contains images DeltaGuy767 : I think that a NW/DL merger would work out much better over a US/DL one, however I see a few concerns: 1)Unions: After the NW MX Union fiasco is DL go
26 Planemaker : If DL doesn't do it now, they will have to later... and who knows what kinda of partner they will end up with later?
27 DAL767400ER : Which one, the new North Terminal that will be dominated by non-Skyteam carriers? That doesn't help the case of McNamara handling 1000 flight per day
28 GRRTVC : Why do you feel the WorldGateway could not handel a 1,000 flights? In its current configuration, in an expanded, or at all? In its current configurat
29 Gigneil : Neither of those things are correct. NS
30 Steeler83 : BWI is nothing more than a spoke in the US/HP system, PIT is still one of US' larger bases with 160 flights, granted this is a far cry from the 500+
31 Post contains links JetBlueGuy2006 : NW has ordered 18 with an option for 50 more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders http://www.zap16.com/civ%20fact/civ%20boeing%207
32 DeltaGuy : Hey now, don't forget morons like Fred Reid too- the one who singlehandedly said that AirTrash wasn't a threat to DL's market, and also took several
33 NASCARAirforce : Bigger and better than what? The North Terminal is only going to have 22 - 24 gates (forgot which). The McNamara Terminal I believe is complete in Co
34 FlyDreamliner : No dice. The 777 has the range to run a lot of current routes the A333 doesn't. The 777s wouldn't go anywhere, in fact, they'd add more. The A333 and
35 Post contains images Haggis79 : the whole thing makes sense to me..... AF/KL would probably also be happy.... however, I doubt it will happen...
36 ZKNBX : I second the above, that a NW / DL merger would be preferable to a US/DL merger, because there is less overlap., but it is still messy... CVG is so cl
37 NASCARAirforce : What would be the point of having both the 737 and the A319/320? How many 737s are owned vs leased? How many A319s/320s are owned vs leased? I kind o
38 Post contains links Jano : NW's 319/320 109 owned, 30 leased per http://ir.nwa.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=111021&p=irol-fleet DL's 737 75 owned, 13 leased per http://www.delta.com/abo
39 GRRTVC : Wouldn't disagree that the likely hood of DTW becoming the #1 hub is a far reach. If DL and NW were to merge ATL would remain the #1 hub with DTW pul
40 NASCARAirforce : DTW could become a #1 hub if NW took over DL, but not if DL took over NW it would make more sense on east/west routes - i.e. New York and Northeast r
41 Post contains images Avion346 : I was recently transiting in DTW during the morning operation and saw MANY gates in the A concourse that weren't scheduled to house any flights until
42 NASCARAirforce : The A concourse has less flights now because a lot of mainline got transferred down to regional. That is why B and C got expanded, while A is underuse
43 Floridaflyboy : I don't know what dream world everyone's living in. DL and NW are COMPLETELY incompatible companies from the fleets to the cultures. It wouldn't work,
44 NASCARAirforce : I hope it doesnt either. Mergers are a nightmare to us spotters, but then again it is better than total bye bye like Eastern.
45 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : Jano DLs current fleet is only the 738s the rest of the 732s are in a graveyards somewhere.DL owns all of there 737 fleet. They stoped flying the 732s
46 Post contains links Diamond : Please continue all DL/US merger conversations in one of these 5 official threads: Official DL/US Merger Thread: Fleet Speculation   http://www1.air
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