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BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western  
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5789 posts, RR: 15
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5896 times:

I started a thread earlier about BLI-IWA but the announcement of new service was much larger than that, so I figured it needed a new thread with a better title.

Western Airlines, a new company with the old name, announced scheduled charter flights today from Bellingham to Ontario, Reno, San Diego, and Phoenix-Williams Gateway. Flights will be on Xtra aircraft.
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/102/story/41342.html

The first flights start January 18 and they are booking now.

ONT and IWA flights will be Sun/Mon/Thurs/Fri. SAN and RNO will operate Wed/Sat. Route map http://www.iflywestern.com/where.htm

As I previously posted this company has been trying to start BLI flights for a year. They had talked about operating as a scheduled carrier so this may only be the first step, using scheduled charter to get going.

Besides the routes announced, they are also advertising for station managers at Denver, Oakland, Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, Dallas, and Palm Springs. So there could be more announcements soon.
http://www.iflywestern.com/employment.htm

[Edited 2006-11-16 21:49:30]


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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3802 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5896 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Thread starter):
Flights will be on Xtra aircraft.

If known, what is the aircraft type to be operated?


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5789 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5896 times:

The reports are 737s. Nothing more specific and I don't know what specific aircraft Xtra currently has.


"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5898 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 1):
If known, what is the aircraft type to be operated?

The article says 737s, but nothing specific. However, I believe Xtra flies 737-800s, don't they?

Either way, good news for SAN and ONT, my home airports! Always good to see a new airline... Plus BLI just got G4 service to PSP, so the SoCal-BLI market seems to be really jumping!



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5899 times:

According to their Web site, XTRA has three 737-400s and one 737-800.


USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5789 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5899 times:

Quoting San747 (Reply 3):
Plus BLI just got G4 service to PSP, so the SoCal-BLI market seems to be really jumping!

And Western is advertising for a PSP station manager. That could be interesting with both on BLI-PSP, if that is what Western plans to fly to Palm Springs.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5790 times:

Quoting San747 (Reply 3):
Always good to see a new airline... Plus BLI just got G4 service to PSP, so the SoCal-BLI market seems to be really jumping!

I think it is more the SoCal-Vancouver market tired of being ripped off by Air Canada and Alaska.



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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1596 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5585 times:

According to the route map, it looks like they will serve SAN-RNO as well. Now we will have Southwest and Western on the route where just yesterday there was nothing.

I remember I flew the inaugural flight between SAN-RNO way back in 1979 on a WA 72S.

[Edited 2006-11-17 02:51:09]


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User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5570 times:

Any idea how they secured the rights to the Western name? I would think Delta owned it after the merger.

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5556 times:

I wish them the best ofluck, but, jeez, Bellingham...I wonder what O&D market is out there?


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5546 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 9):
I wish them the best ofluck, but, jeez, Bellingham...I wonder what O&D market is out there?

The O&D market that uses BLI is mostly transborder coming from Vancouver and the surrounding areas.



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5529 times:

Hmm, now I cant wait for the inaugural, bet you bottom dollar I'll be on it...


Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5789 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5530 times:

Quoting Spinkid (Reply 8):
Any idea how they secured the rights to the Western name? I would think Delta owned it after the merger.

I think one time I looked and the Patent and Trademark Office considered all of the old Western items dead. If I remember right they were listed as either abandoned or cancelled sometime in 2000 or 2001.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 9):
but, jeez, Bellingham...I wonder what O&D market is out there?

All of Vancouver, BC would be included if the pricing is right so it would be pretty good.



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User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 559 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5491 times:

If Xtra will be doing the flying for this new airline, I find it interesting that they themselves are hiring flight attendants under their employement section. Perhaps they're doing the hiring for Xtra strictly for their own operations?

User currently onlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1827 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5468 times:

Sounds like good news for all of Southern BC and Bellingham. BLI is pretty close to me too as I'm in Victoria (just a ferry up to Vancouver, then a short drive).

How far is ONT from SNA? I think if it is close enough this route could be good for Canadian families going to Anaheim and Disneyland (because SNA doesn't have YVR service).





P.S. My 1000th post... Don't know if I should be happy or worried.  Wink


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5460 times:

Quoting AirplaneBoy (Reply 13):
Perhaps they're doing the hiring for Xtra strictly for their own operations?

A very distinct possibility. Umm..does anyone elkse think thatthe 734/738 is overkill for the current route system?



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineMjt909 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5422 times:

ONT is about an hour away from SNA. It is also an alternative airport for L.A. and well as Palm Springs.

User currently offlineMjt909 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5421 times:

ONT is about an hour away from SNA. It is also an alternative airport for L.A. and Palm Springs.

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5373 times:

YAY!! One seat bookked on ALL the inaugural flights...  goodvibes 


Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 784 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5344 times:
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I really wish them the best of luck! I hope the aircraft will be painted just like the original Western airlines.I miss the big red "W" just as much as I miss PSA's "Grinning birds"!  airplane 


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User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 559 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5334 times:

After looking at their initial schedule, it appears that they will only be utilizing one aircraft- though very efficiently. I think they have a great idea with serving alternative airports, especially BLI.

Cheers


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5329 times:
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Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 19):
I really wish them the best of luck! I hope the aircraft will be painted just like the original Western airlines.I

They'll be in their Xtra Airways livery, I think.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5308 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 15):
A very distinct possibility. Umm..does anyone elkse think thatthe 734/738 is overkill for the current route system?

Not really. They will benefit from the reduced CASM which will keep fares lower.

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 14):
How far is ONT from SNA? I think if it is close enough this route could be good for Canadian families going to Anaheim and Disneyland (because SNA doesn't have YVR service).

ONT-SNA isn't really the question to ask, rather ONT-Disneyland. SNA itself is about 15-20 minutes in good traffic on very heavily trafficed highway to Disneyland while ONT a 30-35 minute drive on less congested highways.

Quoting Mjt909 (Reply 17):
ONT is about an hour away from SNA. It is also an alternative airport for L.A. and Palm Springs.

You know, ONT might just canibalize some of the PSP service, or vice versa. Also, ONT is only about 40 minutes from SNA



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5789 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5307 times:

They posted their press release. One-way fares start at $59.
http://www.iflywestern.com/WesternAir_files/SoService.pdf
The flight schedule:
Bellingham(BLI) - Los Angeles/Ontario(ONT)
Flight No. Departs Arrives Frequency
XP 521 BLI – 7:00 am ONT – 9:45 am Su, M, Th, F
XP 522 ONT – 10:25 am BLI – 1:15 pm Su, M, Th, F

Bellingham(BLI) – Phoenix(IWA)
Flight No. Departs Arrives Frequency
XP 523 BLI – 2:00 pm IWA – 4:55 pm Su, M, Th, F
XP 524 IWA – 5:35 pm BLI – 8:40 pm Su, M, Th, F

Bellingham(BLI) – San Diego(SAN)
Flight No. Departs Arrives Frequency
XP 531 BLI – 6:45 am SAN – 9:45 am W, Sa
XP 536 SAN – 7:55 pm BLI – 10:55 pm W, Sa

Bellingham(BLI) – Reno(RNO)
Flight No. Departs Arrives Frequency
XP 532 RNO - 12:30 pm BLI – 2:35 pm W, Sa
XP 533 BLI – 3:20 pm RNO – 5:15 pm W, Sa

San Diego(SAN) – Reno(RNO)
Flight No. Departs Arrives Frequency
XP 532 SAN – 10:20 am RNO – 11:55 am W, Sa
XP 533 RNO – 5:50 pm SAN – 7:20 pm W, Sa

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 19):
I hope the aircraft will be painted just like the original Western airlines.I miss the big red "W"

It doesn't look like it right now, but they are using red. Also they have updated the old motto, see their logo below. A little reminder for those who remember the old days.
http://www.iflywestern.com/WesternAir_files/WA_logo_01.gif



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User currently onlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1827 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5301 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
ONT-SNA isn't really the question to ask, rather ONT-Disneyland. SNA itself is about 15-20 minutes in good traffic on very heavily trafficed highway to Disneyland while ONT a 30-35 minute drive on less congested highways

OK, thanks for the answer. 30-35 minutes isn't too bad at all.


25 WesternA318 : Amen to that, Im REAlly looking forward to the flights. I'll take plenty of pics along wth a thourough trip report. Going to SEA from SLC I'll be tak
26 Milesrich : Delta must have sold the rights to the name in Chapter 11 for a Song!
27 Tbear815 : I wish Western all the best! There is a press release on Western's website today with the schedule. It's pretty intensive. Lots of utilization. 734 fl
28 Stirling : Ahhh, the old Casino Express. I wonder how they are going to market this to passengers? Is not the airport actually in Mesa? Anyone else thinking of
29 WesternA318 : LOL, Ive never shot Vault out of my nose until now! Amen to that, hopefully my company will toss in some funds for them...
30 FATFlyer : I'm still trying to figure out what they will do with stations in Denver, Oakland, Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, Dallas, and Palm Springs. That's where t
31 Post contains images SANMAN66 : If they do update the Western airlines logo, I hope they at least keep the "W" in it. If they totally revamp the Western logo,I hope it's as creatitv
32 WesternA318 : I have sent in my resume for the SLC Station manager. Maybe a return to a mini-hub in SLC at least? In the business plans Ive drawn up for college, I
33 Wedgetail737 : Sounds like another Winair or Tahoe Air to me. Like the others say...I wish them luck. But I don't think it's going to fly very long. BLI is fairly ti
34 FATFlyer : Although Allegiant is now up to 12 flights a week at BLI, 10 weekly to LAS and the new seasonal twice a week to PSP.
35 WesternA318 : That shouldnt be too hard for WA to handle...734's vs. Md-80's, same capacity, no?
36 N1120A : 734s are smaller than MD80s and 738s are larger. Shouldn't be an issue.
37 MtnWest1979 : Almost like the short lived days when BLI had USAir ( PSA prior) and Alaska Airlines mainline jets simultaneously. Those were the (few) days.
38 WesternA318 : PSA brought what, BAe 146? Alaska had 737s into BLI?
39 FATFlyer : Very short lived days. PSA started at BLI in Oct 1985 and operated 3 flights a day to SEA continuing to SFO. The merger was, in what, 1986 and comple
40 WesternA318 : Did US use the Bae 146?
41 Connector4you : Hope Western Airlines will be smart enough to come up with a dedicated express-bus service between Vancouver International and Bellingham Airport! The
42 Wedgetail737 : I don't remember the AS part, but PS actually used Maddogs to BLI for a little while. I remember seeing them there. Yes...in fact US used the 146's f
43 Hikeswitheyes : Scheduled AS service to BLI was with MD80s. BLI didn't have airstairs for the 737s, and since the MDs have forward and aft airstairs, it was the natu
44 YOW : Anyone here think they might also consider service to LGB or BUR for the LA-area?
45 JBClark : I wouldn't hold your breath on that. I'd guess they'll stick with ONT as the only destination in the LA area for the time being.
46 WesternA318 : Quite possibly BUR for the Hollywood/Universal City attractions?
47 MtnWest1979 : PSA began BLI sometime between Sept and Dec 1985. Wasn't included in Sept '85 timetable, but was an already serviced city when Dec 1985 rolled around
48 WesternA318 : With MD-80s? What did US use? 146s/80s?
49 FATFlyer : As I mentioned above: I verified the date at one of the PSA history sites.
50 Wedgetail737 : I hope they do well. The Bellingham area is growing, pretty much like the rest of Western WA. Perhaps we'll all be pleasantly surprise and Western wil
51 Humberside : I guess SAN-RNO will be quickly axed with the WN announcement
52 Jayce : It would be great if Western could contract out a YVR-BLI or YYJ-YVR-BLI service to connect with these flights. Maybe a good market for HeliJet to co
53 WesternA318 : Or it could be a gold mine for Western...
54 Post contains links MtnWest1979 : Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 48): With MD-80s? What did US use? 146s/80s? AS MD-80s PS/US Both 146s and MD-80s. Seem to recall a photo of AS MD80 and US
55 WesternA318 : So does anyoen else think that BLI can hold/support a somewhat sizeable operation here?
56 Post contains images Zephyr98 : BLI is where I started out with OO, it was us and Horizon with flights to Seattle and back. We were always very full, lots of Canadians who didnt want
57 N1120A : LGB has no slots remaining, so that isn't going to happen. BUR is also very tight from a gate access angle, though B6's pull down of the MCO flights
58 Post contains images Zephyr98 : Opps, forgot to add, the Bellingham Airport is awesome hit the ticket counter, a few hundred feet to security and then into the gate areas. Hey Wester
59 San747 : Doesn't BLI still Horizon Dash-8 service?
60 Zephyr98 : Yes, they still do fly between BLI and SEA, 8 flights daily, 1 of which doesn't operate on Fridays, and 2 that dont operate on Thursdays.....[Edited 2
61 OMA2FAI2SAV : I believe that Horizon has left BLI. And after looking at the route map, BLI is not listed as a destination. So in other words, no.
62 Zephyr98 : Ahhh....Just check QX's schedule: Flight Schedule (Valid Sunday, November 19, 2006) From Bellingham, WA to Seattle, WA Flight Departure Arrival Stops
63 OMA2FAI2SAV : Indeed, I stand corrected. Thank you.
64 Post contains images Zephyr98 : Not "corrected" just "updated". That's why we got this great site, to keep each other up to date on all the great changes in this wild industry, which
65 Post contains images OMA2FAI2SAV : Absolutly. It is wonderful to be able to get all the up to date info on here. I thank you kindly for the "update".
66 WesternA318 : Does anyone here think Horizon might send in the Q-400 to BLI at all?
67 Zephyr98 : Apparently with the frequency they currently have the Dash 8's are working for them to Seattle, but if West Coast competition comes in, people may not
68 WesternA318 : If Western does grow to be a major force in BLI, Horizon could possibly send in the jets? What would happen to AS's traffic volume?
69 Zephyr98 : Very true....Horizon's Daddy may not like someone "playing in their sandbox" and could send AS planes in as well, to directly serve some of their mark
70 Post contains links Tennisace : Yes, the Horizon Q400's are coming in March '07......... http://www.alaskasworld.com/Newsroom...s/QXstories/QX_20061016_135345.asp
71 WesternA318 : I would venture to say AS might match up to Western's routes with their own 734's? Heres a poll for everyone, would you fly Western or AS's 734s?
72 Post contains images Zephyr98 : If Western comes to RNO and gives Station Agreement, like Alaska........Western !!! It's direct Except AS is good about upgrading non-revs....hmmmm...
73 WesternA318 : And Western is an all-Coach airline...for now.
74 G4resagent : They sell business class tickets.
75 WesternA318 : Good point, but whats th difference on Xtra's business class?
76 DesertAir : US used the BA-146 on a number of routes out of BUR to OAK. They also used them on the LAX-SCK route. I flew both routes a number of times.
77 G4resagent : I have no idea. Most of the people I talk to from BLI don't mind G4 not offering first/business. They are just looking for a cheap flight to LAS. And
78 N1120A : That hasn't happened, someone told you wrong.
79 WesternA318 : Its not that far of a flight anyways, though, lol.
80 G4resagent : Oh well maybe it was close to the US$. I don't know. But they were really excited.
81 WesternA318 : Either way, they booked with you!
82 WesternA318 : Does Xtra have a website?
83 Post contains links MtnWest1979 : www.xtraairways.com Shows only N42XA and N43XA have the First Class (as called per their site) seats. The other -400 and -800 are all Y seats.
84 WesternA318 : Wow, not bad rising from the ashes of Casino Express
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