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DL Adds JFK-PHX  
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4301 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/061116/108991.html

Daily 737-800 service starts 2/15/07

"You want to take over our company....we add service to your hub"

Actually, this route makes a lot of sense based on the international connections, regardless of yesterday's news and how rediculous this may get before the dust settles.

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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

Headed into the heart on US airways with 1 daily flight.

Competing with Jet Blue now.

I give the flight 6 months, then it'll be pulled.  devil 


User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 1):
I give the flight 6 months, then it'll be pulled.

 checkmark  They've announced this and stopped it numerous times. Once even operating a 763 on the route going JFK-PHX-SAN.



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User currently offlineFewsolarge From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4243 times:

"Doug, quit humping my leg!"

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32599 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

Awesome. I love how Phoenix is now known as "Phoenix/Scottsdale/Tempe". Ha.


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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2067 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4145 times:

Maybe instead of merging they will just form a codeshare agreement.

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Actually, this route makes a lot of sense based on the international connections, regardless of yesterday's news and how rediculous this may get before the dust settles.

In theory, yes, however if the planned schedules stay, the times svck for international connections. With an arrival at JFK at 6:45pm, the only flights pax could connect to are BRU (7:45), MXP (7:50), BOM (9:20), GRU (10:10), and under a no-delay scenario, DUB (7:25), FRA (7:20) and MAD (7:15). Most flights depart before this flight would even touch down. And the departure from JFK at 8:45am is far from ideal as well. So either DL reschedules the flight before it starts, or it will be gone soon.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7493 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4102 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 5):
Maybe instead of merging they will just form a codeshare agreement.

That wont happen because that would be good for the consumer and we cant have that. It will only work if a handful of people will get insanely rich and if well can tell the little guy and the consumer to go screw themselves.



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4867 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4089 times:
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Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Actually, this route makes a lot of sense based on the international connections

Actually, based on the times, it does not connect well at all with the majority of the international flights. The morning departure from JFK only allows for the arrival from BOM and GRU (though GRU to PHX is easier through ATL); similarly the return arrival at JFK is too late to connect to most international destinations except for MAN, MXP, GRU, BOM


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 6):
In theory, yes, however if the planned schedules stay, the times svck for international connections. With an arrival at JFK at 6:45pm

Same problem that American had when they attempted PHX-JFK. Without an early morning departure from PHX for connections to Europe, this flight won't last long.


User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

If it were timed better it would make sense. Right now there are quite a few itineraries from PHX to Europe that involve going to CVG and then connecting to JFK for international flights. I was wondering, "why doesn't Delta just do a non-stop to JFK?" But then they time it funny. Of course, the flight doesn't need to be full of international passengers. It could also have people connecting to places that Freedom flies to from JFK, not to mention all the O&D in New York. Remember, since CO has had a hub in Newark for a long time, there are plenty of OnePass members in NYC who could also earn miles on Delta, especially if Delta keeps fares low on the flight.

User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3077 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

Good to see further expansion of JFK - I'd like to see PDX and DEN soon.

The international connections will help, but this also allows for some connections throughout the Northeast.


User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
"You want to take over our company....we add service to your hub"

Yeah, because I'll bet you this was in direct relation to US offering to buy DL  Yeah sure I'm sure DL hadn't been planning on launching this service for months...In fact, I'll bet they just up and decided to start this service last night!  banghead 


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 6):
In theory, yes, however if the planned schedules stay, the times svck for international connections. With an arrival at JFK at 6:45pm, the only flights pax could connect to are BRU (7:45), MXP (7:50), BOM (9:20), GRU (10:10), and under a no-delay scenario, DUB (7:25), FRA (7:20) and MAD (7:15).

Also AF codeshare to CDG, AZ to FCO, LY to TLV, KE to ICN....



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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2441 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
"You want to take over our company....we add service to your hub

While I doubt this is anywhere close to a response to US's purchase offer.... I do find the timing quite interesting.

Quoting B4real (Reply 13):
KE to ICN....

Who in their right mind would fly PHX-ICN through JFK?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Awesome. I love how Phoenix is now known as "Phoenix/Scottsdale/Tempe". Ha.

For the longest time it was just Phoenix/Scottsdale. Now Tempe gets a little recognition.



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3545 times:

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 14):
Who in their right mind would fly PHX-ICN through JFK?

If the price is right, there will be people in the seats.

Granted PHX-JFK-ICN is a bizarre routing. But it is a long flight no matter how you go.



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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4364 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3519 times:
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DL discontinued this around April 2004. Wonder how long it will last this time.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32599 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 14):

For the longest time it was just Phoenix/Scottsdale. Now Tempe gets a little recognition.

Clearly a one-time thing to spite US Airways.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32599 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 14):

For the longest time it was just Phoenix/Scottsdale. Now Tempe gets a little recognition.

The recognition is undoubtley one-time only, referring to US Airways' HQ city.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5343 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

For those skeptics in the crowd, when DL (re)started their SAN-JFK nonstop this last June, it was a 738 red-eye e/b and a very late w/b flight -- horrible times for both business travelers and those with European connections. I was unhappy with it and didn't think the service had a chance. It seemed all they wanted to do was compete head-to-head with the B6 red-eye.

The flight is now a perfectly timed r/t (e/b 8-ish am departure and w/b 9-10-ish pm arrival) operated with a 752! I'm willing to bet the flight is doing well and I hope 2007 will see maybe a further u/g to a 76 or perhaps added lift...

I don't know why the funky start-up sked -- maybe a/c availability or gate issues -- but the sked rework was announced only about a month after the inaugural.

Those of you "Wondering in Phoenix", be optimistic; I bet DL will do the same thing eventually for PHX! (I think DL is very serious about the JFK market this time around.)

bb


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

Quoting B4real (Reply 13):
Also AF codeshare to CDG, AZ to FCO, LY to TLV, KE to ICN....

Perhaps, but in the cases of CDG/FCO/TLV, I'm sure, alliance aside, DL would prefer to feed their own flights to the respective destination (TLV obviously only via ATL). And as said in other replies, PHX-JFK-ICN is abit far out, cheap or not.


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3236 times:
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Quoting B4REAL (Reply 2):
Once even operating a 763 on the route going JFK-PHX-SAN.

Yep! And AA tried it too. A lot of players on the scene for the route. I would think that they would have timed it better for international connections. There is not a whole of people going from PHX to BRU.

PHX-JFK direct is well served already, and DL should have played into its strength here as it will be a few years before US launches international (intercontinental) service from PHX.



Keep on truckin'...
User currently offlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1145 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

Perhaps it is seasonal as PHX and Arizona traffic demand spikes in the winter. Also the three JFK-PHX flights on HP/US seem to have a very high load factor.

Regards

LGA777


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