DAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4178 times:
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter): Actually, this route makes a lot of sense based on the international connections, regardless of yesterday's news and how rediculous this may get before the dust settles.
In theory, yes, however if the planned schedules stay, the times svck for international connections. With an arrival at JFK at 6:45pm, the only flights pax could connect to are BRU (7:45), MXP (7:50), BOM (9:20), GRU (10:10), and under a no-delay scenario, DUB (7:25), FRA (7:20) and MAD (7:15). Most flights depart before this flight would even touch down. And the departure from JFK at 8:45am is far from ideal as well. So either DL reschedules the flight before it starts, or it will be gone soon.
LAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7600 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4143 times:
Quoting AADC10 (Reply 5): Maybe instead of merging they will just form a codeshare agreement.
That wont happen because that would be good for the consumer and we cant have that. It will only work if a handful of people will get insanely rich and if well can tell the little guy and the consumer to go screw themselves.
Actually, based on the times, it does not connect well at all with the majority of the international flights. The morning departure from JFK only allows for the arrival from BOM and GRU (though GRU to PHX is easier through ATL); similarly the return arrival at JFK is too late to connect to most international destinations except for MAN, MXP, GRU, BOM
AlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4073 times:
If it were timed better it would make sense. Right now there are quite a few itineraries from PHX to Europe that involve going to CVG and then connecting to JFK for international flights. I was wondering, "why doesn't Delta just do a non-stop to JFK?" But then they time it funny. Of course, the flight doesn't need to be full of international passengers. It could also have people connecting to places that Freedom flies to from JFK, not to mention all the O&D in New York. Remember, since CO has had a hub in Newark for a long time, there are plenty of OnePass members in NYC who could also earn miles on Delta, especially if Delta keeps fares low on the flight.
Yeah, because I'll bet you this was in direct relation to US offering to buy DL I'm sure DL hadn't been planning on launching this service for months...In fact, I'll bet they just up and decided to start this service last night!
B4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2642 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3797 times:
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 6): In theory, yes, however if the planned schedules stay, the times svck for international connections. With an arrival at JFK at 6:45pm, the only flights pax could connect to are BRU (7:45), MXP (7:50), BOM (9:20), GRU (10:10), and under a no-delay scenario, DUB (7:25), FRA (7:20) and MAD (7:15).
Also AF codeshare to CDG, AZ to FCO, LY to TLV, KE to ICN....
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5431 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3344 times:
For those skeptics in the crowd, when DL (re)started their SAN-JFK nonstop this last June, it was a 738 red-eye e/b and a very late w/b flight -- horrible times for both business travelers and those with European connections. I was unhappy with it and didn't think the service had a chance. It seemed all they wanted to do was compete head-to-head with the B6 red-eye.
The flight is now a perfectly timed r/t (e/b 8-ish am departure and w/b 9-10-ish pm arrival) operated with a 752! I'm willing to bet the flight is doing well and I hope 2007 will see maybe a further u/g to a 76 or perhaps added lift...
I don't know why the funky start-up sked -- maybe a/c availability or gate issues -- but the sked rework was announced only about a month after the inaugural.
Those of you "Wondering in Phoenix", be optimistic; I bet DL will do the same thing eventually for PHX! (I think DL is very serious about the JFK market this time around.)
DAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3298 times:
Quoting B4real (Reply 13): Also AF codeshare to CDG, AZ to FCO, LY to TLV, KE to ICN....
Perhaps, but in the cases of CDG/FCO/TLV, I'm sure, alliance aside, DL would prefer to feed their own flights to the respective destination (TLV obviously only via ATL). And as said in other replies, PHX-JFK-ICN is abit far out, cheap or not.
HZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3277 times:
Quoting B4REAL (Reply 2): Once even operating a 763 on the route going JFK-PHX-SAN.
Yep! And AA tried it too. A lot of players on the scene for the route. I would think that they would have timed it better for international connections. There is not a whole of people going from PHX to BRU.
PHX-JFK direct is well served already, and DL should have played into its strength here as it will be a few years before US launches international (intercontinental) service from PHX.