PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6875 posts, RR: 29 Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3117 times:
"You want to take over our company....we add service to your hub"
Actually, this route makes a lot of sense based on the international connections, regardless of yesterday's news and how rediculous this may get before the dust settles.
B4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2595 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3084 times:
Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 1): I give the flight 6 months, then it'll be pulled.
They've announced this and stopped it numerous times. Once even operating a 763 on the route going JFK-PHX-SAN.
Fewsolarge From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 409 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3059 times:
AADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1837 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2961 times:
Maybe instead of merging they will just form a codeshare agreement.
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2953 times:
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter): Actually, this route makes a lot of sense based on the international connections, regardless of yesterday's news and how rediculous this may get before the dust settles.
In theory, yes, however if the planned schedules stay, the times svck for international connections. With an arrival at JFK at 6:45pm, the only flights pax could connect to are BRU (7:45), MXP (7:50), BOM (9:20), GRU (10:10), and under a no-delay scenario, DUB (7:25), FRA (7:20) and MAD (7:15). Most flights depart before this flight would even touch down. And the departure from JFK at 8:45am is far from ideal as well. So either DL reschedules the flight before it starts, or it will be gone soon.
LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 6780 posts, RR: 25 Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2918 times:
Quoting AADC10 (Reply 5): Maybe instead of merging they will just form a codeshare agreement.
That wont happen because that would be good for the consumer and we cant have that. It will only work if a handful of people will get insanely rich and if well can tell the little guy and the consumer to go screw themselves.
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Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4590 posts, RR: 26 Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2905 times:
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter): Actually, this route makes a lot of sense based on the international connections
Actually, based on the times, it does not connect well at all with the majority of the international flights. The morning departure from JFK only allows for the arrival from BOM and GRU (though GRU to PHX is easier through ATL); similarly the return arrival at JFK is too late to connect to most international destinations except for MAN, MXP, GRU, BOM
AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2890 times:
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 6): In theory, yes, however if the planned schedules stay, the times svck for international connections. With an arrival at JFK at 6:45pm
Same problem that American had when they attempted PHX-JFK. Without an early morning departure from PHX for connections to Europe, this flight won't last long.
AlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2848 times:
If it were timed better it would make sense. Right now there are quite a few itineraries from PHX to Europe that involve going to CVG and then connecting to JFK for international flights. I was wondering, "why doesn't Delta just do a non-stop to JFK?" But then they time it funny. Of course, the flight doesn't need to be full of international passengers. It could also have people connecting to places that Freedom flies to from JFK, not to mention all the O&D in New York. Remember, since CO has had a hub in Newark for a long time, there are plenty of OnePass members in NYC who could also earn miles on Delta, especially if Delta keeps fares low on the flight.
S12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2750 times:
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter): "You want to take over our company....we add service to your hub"
Yeah, because I'll bet you this was in direct relation to US offering to buy DL I'm sure DL hadn't been planning on launching this service for months...In fact, I'll bet they just up and decided to start this service last night!
B4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2595 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2572 times:
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 6): In theory, yes, however if the planned schedules stay, the times svck for international connections. With an arrival at JFK at 6:45pm, the only flights pax could connect to are BRU (7:45), MXP (7:50), BOM (9:20), GRU (10:10), and under a no-delay scenario, DUB (7:25), FRA (7:20) and MAD (7:15).
Also AF codeshare to CDG, AZ to FCO, LY to TLV, KE to ICN....
Cactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2380 posts, RR: 34 Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2376 times:
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter): "You want to take over our company....we add service to your hub
While I doubt this is anywhere close to a response to US's purchase offer.... I do find the timing quite interesting.
B4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2595 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2361 times:
Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 14): Who in their right mind would fly PHX-ICN through JFK?
If the price is right, there will be people in the seats.
Granted PHX-JFK-ICN is a bizarre routing. But it is a long flight no matter how you go.
Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2335 times:
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DL discontinued this around April 2004. Wonder how long it will last this time.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 15 Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2119 times:
For those skeptics in the crowd, when DL (re)started their SAN-JFK nonstop this last June, it was a 738 red-eye e/b and a very late w/b flight -- horrible times for both business travelers and those with European connections. I was unhappy with it and didn't think the service had a chance. It seemed all they wanted to do was compete head-to-head with the B6 red-eye.
The flight is now a perfectly timed r/t (e/b 8-ish am departure and w/b 9-10-ish pm arrival) operated with a 752! I'm willing to bet the flight is doing well and I hope 2007 will see maybe a further u/g to a 76 or perhaps added lift...
I don't know why the funky start-up sked -- maybe a/c availability or gate issues -- but the sked rework was announced only about a month after the inaugural.
Those of you "Wondering in Phoenix", be optimistic; I bet DL will do the same thing eventually for PHX! (I think DL is very serious about the JFK market this time around.)
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2073 times:
Quoting B4real (Reply 13): Also AF codeshare to CDG, AZ to FCO, LY to TLV, KE to ICN....
Perhaps, but in the cases of CDG/FCO/TLV, I'm sure, alliance aside, DL would prefer to feed their own flights to the respective destination (TLV obviously only via ATL). And as said in other replies, PHX-JFK-ICN is abit far out, cheap or not.
HZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1597 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2052 times:
Quoting B4REAL (Reply 2): Once even operating a 763 on the route going JFK-PHX-SAN.
Yep! And AA tried it too. A lot of players on the scene for the route. I would think that they would have timed it better for international connections. There is not a whole of people going from PHX to BRU.
PHX-JFK direct is well served already, and DL should have played into its strength here as it will be a few years before US launches international (intercontinental) service from PHX.
LGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1101 posts, RR: 22 Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1927 times:
Perhaps it is seasonal as PHX and Arizona traffic demand spikes in the winter. Also the three JFK-PHX flights on HP/US seem to have a very high load factor.
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They've announced this and stopped it numerous times. Once even operating a 763 on the route going JFK-PHX-SAN.
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I'm sure DL hadn't been planning on launching this service for months...In fact, I'll bet they just up and decided to start this service last night! 
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