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Caribbean Aviation, Part 3....  
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10009 posts, RR: 15
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7553 times:

Well,

As the Caribbean Aviation, part deux was getting too long, I decided to start this new thread. So let's here you're opinions about the Caribbean aviation in its entirety again and not only discuss the developments surrounding Caribbean Airlines. We have more airlines in our region, luckily  Smile

As I've said in another thread of Caribbean Star Airlines, they are starting flights to CUR next month. What surprises me is that I have not seen an add or commercial here in CUR to promote this new flight. How do they promote CUR in Trinidad? I see the famous view of our city (Punda) on their website frontpage and the press release about re-instating the route. Do they do more advertising for this new route?

What's the latest on JM's acquisition/lease of the two 757s and possibly switching to an all-Boeing fleet? I read in another thread they are/were looking at the 757 and 733s and even the 787 for longhaul flights or maybe the 767?

When is Caribbean Airlines's first aircraft (9Y-TAB) scheduled to be rolled out of the paint shop (in ATL?)?

Regards,

A388 Big grin

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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7519 times:

Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
When is Caribbean Airlines's first aircraft (9Y-TAB) scheduled to be rolled out of the paint shop (in ATL?)?

Still trying to find someone in ATL who can hook us up with a sneak shot of her!!!! BWIA 772 has a thread in the photogrophy forum!

AA1818



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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7485 times:

Hi guys no reply in the photography forum. The mods moved the post from this forum to the photography. So anyone at ATL can you please get a pic of Caribbean Airlines first jet for us.

I think that Caribbean Aviation part two was the longest thread that I can remember for caribbean aviation. Congrats guys.

Yes the POS airport scandal like a good soap opera the plot is for ever thickening.
http://guardian.co.tt/news1.html


Regards
BWIA 772

[Edited 2006-11-17 14:57:26]


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User currently offlineWestIndian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7411 times:

It's been a while since I checked the forum, and I am shocked that this has gone to part 3! People are really concerned about the industry in the Caribbean. Nice!! Kudos to you all.  Smile

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 2):
Yes the POS airport scandal like a good soap opera the plot is for ever thickening.
http://guardian.co.tt/news1.html

LOL...that thing is still going on after all these years. Wow.

Since we're on the subject of advertising, I'd like to ask how much do you think Caribbean Airlines should spend in advertising since the airline will be in operation in about a month? My mind goes back to when Jetblue and Ted got started and what was the strategy in getting the word out to the markets. Granted, B6 and Ted had deep pockets to start with, but if we were to just look at the strategy alone, what could be copied (or even developed) to help the new airline and despell the worries of some of out colleagues here of the new airline possibly dying or being mistaken for another airline?



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7402 times:

Quoting WestIndian425 (Reply 3):
I'd like to ask how much do you think Caribbean Airlines should spend in advertising since the airline will be in operation in about a month?

Money wise? Maybe Beewee15 might have a figure on hand, as he has more experience in that area. But here is what I think. Caribbean Airlines would need to bring the VFR traffic in keys routes such as MIA, and JFK up to speed, that they 'exist' and that they are a viable option for returning home. That wouldn't be too hard as many caribbean nationals prefer to fly on Caribbean metal, and how much options with that in view do they have? This is just with MIA and JFK in mind. Not sure what plans Caribbean Airlines has for US expansion. Advertising throughout the caribbean is not as expensive as in the US, but they need to put some attention there as well. Caribbean Airlines wants to become a serious force to reckon with throughout the region well it would need to sell its product well to those who live and travel in the caribbean.

Caribbean Airlines also needs to start attracting the tourists. Their name works well for this. You are flying to the caribbean your only choice should be on Caribbean Airlines. We need advertisements on popular TV channels, (not too far fetched as JM does it.) We need some billboards through out the NY area, if their pockets are really deep they can advertise via the MTA. Continental anyone? Then along the I95 in MIA needs to be tackled, again I have seen a JM ad there before, not sure if it is still around.

I think after these efforts Caribbean Airlines would be well on its way. But of course all this can only be realized if and only if, Caribbean Airlines builds and keeps a good reputation for inflight service, on time flights and a true warm caribbean experience.

Although some may disagree, there was a period in the 'new' BW's history, when they just go the 737NGs and new livery when that was feeling. you stepped on board and you felt as if you were already home. There was a point in the 'new' BW's history when things were 'superficially' on-track, I say superficially as I am not too knowledgeable on what was really happening in terms of their financial situation.

I think however that Caribbean Airlines can only achieve true success by hiring us all. What do you say?

CARIBBEAN AIRLINES "The Warmth of the Islands."

P.S. I still can't believe we saying goodbye to BWIA, it just hasn't set in as yet...

[Edited 2006-11-18 06:23:20]


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10009 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7381 times:

I just read that you are allowed to take a maximum of 15 kg of luggage on Caribbean Star Airlines from CUR to POS and that departure time is 12:45 with arrival in POS at 15:05. This would make the flying time 2 hours and 20 minutes on a Dash-8!!! Will this route be a success? Caribbean people are known to take a lot of baggage and now you are only allowed 15 kg max. I know when you're island hopping you wouldn't need a lot of baggage but flying from CUR to POS isn't exactly island hopping as the distance is longer. I think the smaller capacity of the Dash-8 will give the route only limited success. If Caribbean Airlines would start the POS-CUR-POS route they can become more succesful with their 747-800 because of the aircraft's cargo capacity? CUR was known to people who just came to the island for shopping and go back to Trinidad. A Das-8 won't give you the ability to really go shopping here.

Any opinions on this?

Either way, I wish both Caribbean Star and Caribbean Airlines success of course. Good luck  Smile

A388


User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7381 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 4):
Maybe Beewee15 might have a figure on hand, as he has more experience in that area.

From what I know according to information I have on average airlines spend around 12.56 cents per CASM ( Cost per Available Seat Mile) of which .8% goes to promotions & advertising. Although it seems like a tiny amount is adds up.

Quoting Captaink (Reply 4):
Caribbean Airlines would need to bring the VFR traffic in keys routes such as MIA, and JFK up to speed, that they 'exist' and that they are a viable option for returning home.

The current BW has that already and why I say that is because I have seen many many trinis yell hell and high water when there is a problem and swear they will never fly BWIA again only to see them a few weeks later on another BW flight and treating you like a friend. I have even experienced it on one of the charter flights worked to Trinidad. It was so funny I got the cursing out of my life but a few weeks later I went into a roti shop only to see the same person mopping to floor of the shop and when he saw me I was treated like i was his good friend.

Quoting Captaink (Reply 4):
Caribbean Airlines also needs to start attracting the tourists. Their name works well for this. You are flying to the caribbean your only choice should be on Caribbean Airlines. We need advertisements on popular TV channels, (not too far fetched as JM does it.) We need some billboards through out the NY area, if their pockets are really deep they can advertise via the MTA. Continental anyone? Then along the I95 in MIA needs to be tackled, again I have seen a JM ad there before, not sure if it is still around.

This is where the current BW failed badly enabling JM to come into it markets and erode its share. So we will have to see what they do. I hope they will spend the money this time. And this time in the most unusual places where there are folks who want to soak up some sun during the winter and spring break periods.

Quoting Captaink (Reply 4):
Although some may disagree, there was a period in the 'new' BW's history, when they just go the 737NGs and new livery when that was feeling. you stepped on board and you felt as if you were already home. There was a point in the 'new' BW's history when things were 'superficially' on-track, I say superficially as I am not too knowledgeable on what was really happening in terms of their financial situation.

Well I agree with you cause I saw the same at JFK and the NY area BW started off very good then started sliding down hill and alot had to to with some not all of the management.

Quoting Captaink (Reply 4):
I think however that Caribbean Airlines can only achieve true success by hiring us all. What do you say?

Well lets do it anyone up to the challenge to start our own airline owned by and run by WEST INDIANS. Cause I know we are as good as the English.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10009 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7371 times:

I see a typing error in my post, I meant the 737-800 of Caribbean Airlines and not the 747-800 I mentioned in my other post. My mistake  Smile

A388


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10009 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7344 times:

I just read that Caribbean Star has made a deal with DHL to carry the extra cargo for their passengers from CUR to POS via CCS. Even so, it is less convenient to passengers. So I really do hope Caribbean Star will order/lease the ERJ190 very soon as this aircraft is more ideal for the POS-CUR-POS route even though a 737 sized aircraft in my opinion is better due to a better cargo capacity.

A388


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7332 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
I just read that Caribbean Star has made a deal with DHL to carry the extra cargo for their passengers from CUR to POS via CCS. Even so, it is less convenient to passengers. So I really do hope Caribbean Star will order/lease the ERJ190 very soon as this aircraft is more ideal for the POS-CUR-POS route even though a 737 sized aircraft in my opinion is better due to a better cargo capacity.

Is there that much cargo being transported between POS and CUR? What about passenger counts. Can the route support a 738? We are talking about 154 seats in Caribbean Airlines config. How many days a week are you suggesting?



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10009 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7298 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 9):
Is there that much cargo being transported between POS and CUR? What about passenger counts. Can the route support a 738? We are talking about 154 seats in Caribbean Airlines config. How many days a week are you suggesting?

I don't know about the demand but CUR was famous among people who just wanted to visit the island for shopping and go back, so the aircraft doesn't always have to be full as the cargo carried compensates it. So both the passenger and cargo demand between POS and CUR were healthy. After the demise of ALM/DCA it surpised a lot of people no other airline wanted to start the route. After a long while BW came in but stopped the flights in about 2 months or so, or even less due to the airline's financial state back than/now.

A388


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3257 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7255 times:

Suriname Airways started POS - CUR flights after DCA collapsed. They use their MD82 3 times a week on the services.

A interesting point here is that ALM and DCA actually offered MIA from POS via CUR and that popular routing enabled them to fly almost daily to POS and ensured healthy loads.

Best wishes to Caribbean Star all the same.

TrinToCan.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10009 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7247 times:

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 11):
Suriname Airways started POS - CUR flights after DCA collapsed. They use their MD82 3 times a week on the services.

A interesting point here is that ALM and DCA actually offered MIA from POS via CUR and that popular routing enabled them to fly almost daily to POS and ensured healthy loads.

Best wishes to Caribbean Star all the same.

TrinToCan.

Hi Trintocan, how are you doing? You are absolutely right, but these flights are not nonstop. The might be more attractive or appealing if flown nonstop.

A388  Smile


User currently offlineWestIndian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 7202 times:

What about the other airports in the ABC islands? Curacao does seem to get a lot of attention, but what about Aruba and Bonaire? How is the demand for travel to these other islands?

CaptainK and BeeweeL15, that was good on the advertising. I sincerely hope that Caribbean Airlines does put up a good advertising campaign, especially since they are officially starting on January 1st.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10009 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

Quoting WestIndian425 (Reply 13):
What about the other airports in the ABC islands? Curacao does seem to get a lot of attention, but what about Aruba and Bonaire? How is the demand for travel to these other islands?

Unfortunately I don't know how the demand from POS to BON and AUA is but from experience the demand to BON and AUA is mainly from tourist from the U.S. and Europe and in the case of AUA also from South America. AUA and BON to my knowledge aren't very popular among Caribbean islands. BON does receive flights from JM but it's only once a week IIRC. I could be wrong though. To give you an impression on the number of flights between the ABC islands and other Caribbean islands, here's an overview:

AUA:

AUA-SDQ:7 x week with J31 equipment (Caribair)
AUA-SJU: 14 x week B752 equipment (AA)
AUA-SXM: Planned?

BON:

BON-MBJ/KIN: 1 x week A320/321 equipment (JM)
BON-SJU: 7 x week ATR72 equipment (AA Eagle)

CUR:

CUR-SDQ: 7 x week MD82 equipment (VH)
CUR-SJU: 5 x week ATR72 equipment (AA Eagle)
CUR-MBJ/KIN: 3 x week A320/321 equipment (JM)
CUR-SXM: 14 x week ATR42 equipment (9H)

Regards,

A388


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7174 times:

Quoting WestIndian425 (Reply 13):
I sincerely hope that Caribbean Airlines does put up a good advertising campaign, especially since they are officially starting on January 1st.

Well when the 9Y TAB arrives it is expected that Caribbean Airlines is going to be launched officially. So they may launch their marketing campaign then.

LI has really upped its marketing recently. I heard the ending part of their new jingle sounds nice. At the bottom there is a link to the press release about the airline going to the World Travel Market
http://www.liatairline.com/

[Edited 2006-11-19 16:12:16]


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User currently offlineRiver747 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7163 times:

I flew this summer CUR-AUA-POS and POS-CUR on Surinam's MD.82 and I was surpised about he number of people boarding in AUA. Also, even though the flights was continued from POS to PBM a lot of people disembarked in POS.

On the way back a lot of people boarded in POS and indeed with a lot of luggage.

Also flown a Dash8 on Tobago Express'inter-islands flights and I was glad the flight on the Dash was only 20 mins, and not 2hrs and 20min, like planned Caribbean Star flights.


User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 7120 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 15):
Well when the 9Y TAB arrives it is expected that Caribbean Airlines is going to be launched officially. So they may launch their marketing campaign then.

They should be doing that as we speak. Letting folks know of the up coming transition.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10009 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7112 times:

Quoting River747 (Reply 16):
Also flown a Dash8 on Tobago Express'inter-islands flights and I was glad the flight on the Dash was only 20 mins, and not 2hrs and 20min, like planned Caribbean Star flights.

Agreed. I would also not use Caribbean Star for the CUR-POS flight, that's too long for me in a turboprop aircraft and the luggage allowed is also very limited (15 kg). Like I said the demand is there and a 737-sized aircraft can fill the flights pretty decently.

A388


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week ago) and read 7094 times:

Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 17):
They should be doing that as we speak. Letting folks know of the up coming transition.

They may not be doing it with the intensity that some us think that it should be done but word is getting around about the transition. Many booking engines had article about caribbean airlines.

There was an article recently about the airline having strong bookings for Carnival. Carnival will be the first test for caribbean airlines and the carrier's performance through this period would be a pretty good indicator of if Caribbean Airlines is different to BWIA. In terms of how customers are treated and how delays are handled.

Regards
BWIA 772



Eagles Soar!
User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7068 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 19):
There was an article recently about the airline having strong bookings for Carnival.

Booking are always strong for Carnival even the charter operators are at the max right now. Also remember most of those bookings were made already and were just transfered over to Caribbean.

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 19):
In terms of how customers are treated and how delays are handled.

When it comes to inflight BW was good and lets hope it continues with Caribbean. On the ground is where needs a lot of improvement especially in Trinidad. I can tell you of several situations I experienced which even I myself could not believe the bad treatment I got and the dont care attitude I got from BW staff once again at Piarco. As for delays a lot of time when it is below three hours it is pretty much standard with all airlines. Once you go over that there needs to be improvement on how things are handled. However with a small fleet a major delay with one aircraft has a very bad ripple effect throughout the entire system.


User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7064 times:

I got this artice and think it porvides a look at what I have said.
***************************************************************
(From Travel Weekly UK, 06 November, 2006)
(Antigua) World Travel market: Caribbean air taxi service booming.
by Ian Taylor

The popularity of the Eastern Caribbean in the UK is fuelling the expansion of an island-hopping air taxi service as larger airlines in the region struggle. Three out of five passengers aboard the services of Carib Aviation and Grenadine Airways are from the UK, according to owner and managing director Bruce Kaufman.

Speaking at World Travel Market on Monday he said expects to carry more than 70,000 this year aboard a fleet of 22 aircraft, and is looking to buy more. The group includes the merged services of Trans Island Air, SVG Air and Mustique Airways, plus a Dominica Air Taxi service established four months ago between Antigua, Dominica and St Lucia.

The expansion comes as established names such as BWIA disappear from view. It is all the more remarkable because Kaufman, the former owner of an electronics business, had not worked in aviation before retiring to the Caribbean and buying the assets of the failing Barbados-based Trans Island Air in 2000.

He said: “The only experience I had of flying was sleeping on long-haul flights. I was living in Barbados and my wife requested I get out of the house. Trans Island Air was about to go broke and I bought the assets.”

Eight months later Kaufman set up Carib Aviation and in 2004 established the services of Grenadine Airways. “Now I’m out of the house all the time,” he said. The UK provides 60% of his business, the US 20% and inter-island traffic the remainder.

Dominica Air Taxi operates 44 flights a week, connecting with services into Antigua from the UK and US. Seats are bookable online, but Kaufman said 60% of sales still come through the trade.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10009 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7040 times:

Interesting, Grenadines Airways flew from CUR for a few weeks when the single EMB110 of Insel Air was on the ground due to technical problems. Insel Air is a new airline here in CUR. If anything, Grenadines Airways should work on their livery as one side of their DHC-6 shows no name nor a tail logo. Only the other side had a tail logo. See my photos below:


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Grenadines Airways

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Is Grenadines Airways planning on getting larger aircraft in the near future? How are they doing now, financially speaking? Unfortunately there are very few photos of this airline on the internet as I couldn't find any before I uploaded my photo. Nice to see yet another Caribbean airline and also nice to see the Twin Otter here again after so many years Big grin

A388


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6981 times:

HI guys it just came over the news that BA will be operating the London Route for Caribbean Airlines using a 777. The route will be operated to LGW.

Also Caribbean Airline placed an ad in barbados papers to day about a daily service to Kingston. The ad looked pretty nice.

Regards



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User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6973 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 23):
HI guys it just came over the news that BA will be operating the London Route for Caribbean Airlines using a 777. The route will be operated to LGW.

BA you are not serious I hope this is temporary situation. And if it is true Mr. Davies needs to be fired immediately. Do any of you realise how coverted those slots for LHR are and those were that most profitable for BWIA. And Yes with only two planes flying the route if there is a hic cup it does get magnified.


25 AA1818 : Man oh man oh man oh man!!! What are you on about???? This is likely to be a very permanent move. LHR never made money for BWIA. The best it did was
26 Captaink : THe LHR slots are indeed coveted. I hope they were not sold, and that LGW is only a temporary situation. Anyone has details on this? You see bigger a
27 Captaink : Whats the situation with this BA flight. Is BW leasing the BA planes/crew for the flight? Does this mean that BW can use the airplane on other route,
28 Beeweel15 : This is like dejavue when the Acker group handed BW to American Airlines Mr. Davies is doing the same with BA. BWIA has been handed to the sharks. I
29 WestIndian425 : I did a search online and didn't find anything on this. I would love to read this to find out more info, especially the status of the LHR slot. So...
30 Trintocan : Yes, there is another thread about this development with BA. BA will be returning to POS after a 13 year absence. While the flights will be code-share
31 Post contains links Captaink : Forget BWIA for a second, sadly a SVG Air Commander dissappeared of the radars yesterday. Link to the airplane in question. http://www.aviatorsale.com
32 BWIA 772 : Since when sharks only eating bone? In the Barbados Nation there was an article in which Davies noted that BW market share was under 5% and that mark
33 Speedbird2155 : This will be a BA service oeprated with full BA aircraft and crew, but with a BW codeshare. The flights will be three times weekly via BGI. I suspect
34 Captaink : Isn't that what they do on the LGW/ANU/GND run? In that the crew LGW/ANU stays over in ANU, whilst a seperate crew does ANU/GND/ANU? My concern is th
35 Beeweel15 : Well if and when they do it will be out of Gatwick cause no one in their right mind will give up those LHR slots. As for competition it is there now
36 Post contains images Captaink : I dunno guys, I am starting to have my doubts now. First we loose the name BWIA, but in some ways we justified it. But I am BW guy, I am proud of BW.
37 A388 : Is there a link to a reliable source about Caribbean Airlines selling their LHR slots? Everybody is saying it is the worst decision, which I also agre
38 BWIA 772 : Beeweel15 LIAT and Air Jamaica have also hired foreign experts to run their airlines so really what is your point. BTW assets are there to make money
39 Beeweel15 : I am glad to see you are beginning to see things from a different light now. You are like me proud of BW and its symbol. I always put BW on a higher
40 A388 : Now that you say this, it does makes sense yes. Even so, wouldn't leasing out those slots also generate money for Caribbean Airlines? How valuable we
41 AA1818 : I think the piece that Beeweel15 is missing is that BWIA would be a bigger laughing stock had it tried to fight the loosing battle. And you know what
42 BWIA 772 : A388 IMHO given the fact that LHR route is loosing alot of money and needing money I would rather lease them out than sell them. LHR is great because
43 A388 : That's a lot of money indeed. So for an airline like Caribbean Airlines is doesn't matter whether they operate from LHR or LGW? I assume there are no
44 Beeweel15 : No it is you AA. JM folks are laughing at us even more now than ever before. Well why we dont go back to having BA as our national airline seems like
45 A388 : Are you sure about Caribbean Airlines only becoming a regional airline? Caribbean Airlines will keep almost everything BW leaves behind (physically s
46 Post contains links AA1818 : http://www.guardian.co.tt/business1.html just thought i'd post a local source on the London route. - the route cannot be run on 1 plane - 2 planes is
47 Beeweel15 : In that article it says that LHR was the most profitable so why give it to your competition. That goes to show that several factors in BW did not kno
48 BWIA 772 : Couple of things to remember POS only got back FAA Cat 1 in August 2005 so until then the A340 was restricted to the Canada and European routes. Also
49 Beeweel15 : Both aircraft have their limitations on those routes but if you know how to maximise the capacity of the aircraft you can make money with either airc
50 Speedbird2155 : LGW is a very good airport and although I work at LHR, I very much enjoy using LGW (North of course) when flying home to BGI. The entire feel of the
51 A388 : I'm beginning to think that the A343 was too big for BW to operate yearround. The aircraft might be big enough during peak season but what about off-p
52 Trintocan : While it is sad that BW is dropping LHR - certainly for the forseeable future - there is a greater picture whch people need to appreciate. The airline
53 Flybyguy : Now I'm sure that perhaps I've missed the reasoning behind the change from BWIA to Caribbean Airlines. To me it sounds like putting a shiny new bow on
54 BWIA 772 : Excellent post trintocan I think most of us have realised the fact that the time has come for BW to change. A388 I agree with you about the 767 would
55 Post contains images A388 : Very well said. All in all, a very well written post Trintocan Also well said. My thaughts exactly A388
56 BWIA 772 : Flybyguy Thanx for another thrilling post. Your brilliance is displayed by your acute insight of the Caribbean.Your indepth understanding of the Carib
57 AA1818 : many trinidadians havea US visa so it's really not a problem. well i do approximately 10-12 hops across the atlantic/ very long haul each year and no
58 Beeweel15 : I agree and many airlines are still feeling the effects of 9/11 and the up and down swings of the fuel prices. Again I agree with you and I do keep t
59 Beeweel15 : Well AA I can go along with you on this. Painfull but true on you posting. Good post I must say
60 Beeweel15 : Lets get one I know where a few are lying around. Lets see how you all can manage it. Lets put the talk to reality.
61 AA1818 : It really is a rare moment for us...hehehe!!! Fresh word out of Trinidad (not my usual reliable source, but a source nonetheless!) Caribbean Airlines
62 Post contains links BWIA 772 : Hopefully they would have applied for jobs at Caribbean Airlines the salaries that I am hearing are not bad and they were not even for managerial pos
63 Beeweel15 : Well from that it seems BW/Caribbean is really going to be come a regional carrier. BA/AA are main members of One World so if we already gave away th
64 Post contains links and images A388 : Well, the first photo of Caribbean Airlines is out, finally!! It has been posted in another thread already but I thaught to keep it central and post t
65 Post contains links BWIA 772 : The winglets look nice along with the tail. But gosh the Caribbean Airlines titles are just UGLY. I wonder what the cabin looks like... As for Davies
66 Drewfly : THIS is the livery that is replacing BWIA? Good lord, you have got to be kidding me. *grabs gun* Who are the managers and where do they live?
67 A388 : " target=_blank>http://europeanbusiness.eu.com/featu....html Very interesting article, thanks for the link BWIA 772. When I read the article I immedia
68 Beeweel15 : Just change it to Air Jamaica and it will fit better, by the way you wanted the change. THE PAN LOGO MUST FLY AGAIN !!!!
69 BWIA 772 : I never said I wanted the change (as in getting rid of the BWIA brand). However I understand why the change (something had to be done with the airlin
70 AA1818 : ...and colour change!!! AA1818
71 BWIA 772 : Yes they could use the same hues of green wand bue found in the wings of the humming bird. Th engines need a little paint as well
72 Beeweel15 : When I spoke of this coming change you and AA especially were so against keeping the BWIA brand saying the change and new look was good etc. now you
73 Post contains images Captaink : When you put it that way, I agree. THe pan livery is awesome and not easily challenged. But here we are with Mr Hummingbird and we can't change. Echo
74 BWIA 772 : Let me make myself clear. I was of the opinion that there was a need for serious organisational change at BWIA. Ever since the SH&E report was releas
75 Post contains images A388 : If there are people who think or say that the Caribbean Airlines livery/brand is very similar or a copy of JM, they must be color blind. It is true th
76 AA1818 : OMG- honestly mate, do you think before you speak? New identity needed- no matter how pretty or ugly it is. Are you colour blind- I don't see the sim
77 Post contains links and images Captaink : Fighting over this is futile ok. The logos are similar in words (they say, they are hummingbirds) more than they are by actual view. The similarity be
78 MIAMIx707 : The font could have been better.. and not take up the whole fuselage... But the problem is this scheme is just baiscally all white. The bird is intere
79 Post contains links and images Jm017 : I like the new Caribbean Airlines livery. I do not see how one can confuse the two or say they are similar. Okay they are both hummingbirds. But the d
80 Captaink : I did a little survey. WHile we on a.net are very picky when it comes to liveries and other aspects of our airlines, at times the public's opinion is
81 BWIA 772 : AA1818 An excellent post however I doubt that it will change anything. Sentimentalism is needed in business so that we do not become cold and heartles
82 Beeweel15 : You are in Cambridge. And question how I speak. I hope they are training you well. Let me ask you if you was running a business and there was problem
83 A388 : Once again, as I said before, even though both JM and Caribbean Airlines have a hummingbird on their tail, THE NAMES ARE DIFFERENT AND LARGELY VISIBL
84 JM017 : The key is to advertise, advertise, advertise!!!! Keep Caribbean Airlines in the minds of the people. I don't think people will confuse the two. Perh
85 AA1818 : This is your problem, you think anyone can run a company. First of all I am not doing aviation management but Land Economy, which is Real Estate and
86 BWIA 772 : But BWIA is a business thats why 3 is an option. This whole situation moved beyond BW to if having a Trinidad based carrier was necessary and if it c
87 Captaink : We really need to get pass the BW/JM logo similarity. The airlines are different save for the bird on the tail and even that is vastly different. Peop
88 Beeweel15 : Yes I know not any and everyone can run a company. You are in Land Economy. You have a degree in Land Management. Would you like it if, I chairman of
89 AA1818 : Who in Trinidad has the sort of experience Davies has??? NAMES!!! C'mon let me hear some names. You speak like a know it all so let's hear some facts
90 Post contains images BWIA 772 : AA1818 good post but at times your anger showed. Getting a little emotional like beeweel15 . Anyway guys note that we are going to kill this post on N
91 Post contains images A388 : No no no, no killing this thread, haha. This thread is for the Caribbean aviation in general, so everything Caribbean can be posted here. There is mo
92 BWIA 772 : Ok guys on November 27th I will put up a Happy Final Birthday BWIA. In that topic please post your memories about BWIA. Save your debate for this thr
93 Beeweel15 : There are people who can do the job. As for names I don't know everyone. As I have said the folks that I know and the folks that they know were force
94 Beeweel15 : I agree with that also. 772 are you working at the airport and studying aviation if so lets start an airline and put some of these ideas to work and
95 BWIA 772 : We both know the reason why the maintenance was cut and this was not done under the current management but was part of the cost cuts that were iniate
96 BWIA 772 : I am doing my degree and plan to go to do a Masters in Aviation management. I also do not plan on going back to the Caribbean initially as I want to
97 AA1818 : Mate- if you can't anme any names then your bloughing. Provide some facts or shut up mate!! Whne you went to President's house I'm sure my grandfathe
98 Post contains images Captaink : NO why is it you had to steal my idea.. Just kidding, but I was thinking of a post to that effect. I am in agreement with your propositions and I thi
99 Beeweel15 : BWIA 772 I congratulate you. And when you get hands on into the business you will see what I am speaking about. Your friend AA1818 reminds me of a gu
100 Post contains images PPVRA : I thought it was fitting. . .
101 Post contains images A388 : Thanks for sharing the video PPVRA. It is a very nice compilation of airlines serving the Caribbean. Let's discuss the other side of the Caribbean avi
102 WestIndian425 : Oh gosh, de fighting get worse!!! I'm looking forward to the Memories of Bwee thread. That is all.
103 Beeweel15 : AF - The French Caribbean, French Guyana and a few other destinations in South America BA - Mainly to the English Speaking west Indies Islands of the
104 BWIA 772 : You can only carry cargo if there is a demand for it. You are comparing the US with the Caribbean they are two different markets. The demand for air
105 A388 : Thanks for the information Beewee15. I am aware of which islands all the European airlines serve but I was more interested in some facts or figures (
106 Captaink : In terms of being the largest US carrier in the region, American still holds that title. There are still plans to reintroduce some more of the old MIA
107 A388 : Hey Captaink, what's up. How's life on your side? I can agree with you on the type of people carried as JM and Caribbean Airlines carry more local pe
108 Beeweel15 : You generate the damand for it again back to advertising and putting yourself and services out there. Yes for the last 20years. You are in school rig
109 AA1818 : In the oilfields days I can give you examples of where my family was given positions over forign/ british nationals. The family members did not have
110 Captaink : Hey A388, all is well over here, hope the same for you. What I mean is that while the carriers tend to have their clientele, it is still a competitive
111 A388 : Agreed but don't you have this risk with all companies/entities? Every airline is different so you will always have the risk of failing or the opport
112 Beeweel15 : Yes the majority of passengers on JM/BW are local people. Now JM carries more tourists than BW because fo their effective marketing. From what I have
113 Captaink : THey also had a codeshare agreement with United, right? Whats the status of that? I know for sure, 700/701 the flights to and from IAD operated with
114 Beeweel15 : People like me dont perpetuate the racism thing we live it. It is people like you who are blind to it. When you enter the real world of work you will
115 Beeweel15 : Well the prices in the charters to Trinidad are not that much cheaper than the majors but most folks who fly them cause it is direct no stops or conn
116 BA380 : does anyone know if Air Jamaica's A340 for the London run is back in service after its D check yet? travelling on the JM2 in a coupla weeks, so am exr
117 Psimpson : The answer to your question is YES, it will be JM metal for the JM2 in a couple of weeks. The JM A340 6Y-JMM arrived back into Kingston from Hamburg
118 Post contains links BWIA 772 : Caribbean Airlines update 9Y TAB has left ATL and is estimated to arrive POS at 1 40. The launch gala is to be at 2 pm. According to the guys on carib
119 BA380 : thanks for the info. just for clarity - is it already back or will it be back in a couple of weeks? am confused re registrations. really don't fancy
120 Captaink : Everything happening on Dec 31st. I wonder if there is more to these airlines stories and their affiliation with Dec 31st. So what is Republic's plan
121 Beeweel15 : " target=_blank>http://www.caribbeanalpa.com/phpBB2/...t=807 I dont think it is Republic Bank Holdings in Trinidad but Republic Air Holdings here in t
122 Captaink : It is Republic Air from the US. So do I. But what? Sun and US long had a relationship as Sun is part of the Go Caribbean Network, and for sure US wou
123 AA1818 : Thanks for the clearup- I knew I had heard of Republic to do with US Aviation, but a part of me was hoping it was Republic Bank in Trinidad though de
124 BWIA 772 : This is the last time that I will be saying this. 8B is not acquiring LI. Technically it is not even a merger but a consolidation of the two airlines
125 Captaink : Take it easy BWIA772... I don't really know the details of the 8B / LI drama. So is it that they will remain separete entities? Would they operate un
126 BWIA 772 : I have to confirm this but it seems as if both the consolidation would be similar to the BW going to Caribbean Airlines. The new regional carrier will
127 Captaink : Ok. Well let us know whats up. Yeah i am facebook. I think i signed up but I never really went back. I suppose to be dc9super80 there.
128 Yellowtail : How bout something other than Jamaica and Trindad? Anything on what Cayman is doing?
129 Beeweel15 : Firstly this is not like BW into Caribbean where by the airline was completely shut down and restarted under an new namme. This could be one of two t
130 Beeweel15 : Firstly I thank you and accept your apology. Things could have been said differently etc. and everyone has their own opinion on things myself include
131 Post contains links BWIA 772 : Beeweel15 Please do not take this personally. You do not know what you are talking about interms of LI and 8B. I have placed two links in a post in pa
132 A388 : Amen to that, I have mentioned it here and in the other threads as well to discuss the other Caribbean airlines as well instead of BW/JM/Caribbean Ai
133 Captaink : Rumour has it that Caribbean Airlines is looking for a feeder carrier. CaribStar and company are looking to change the name, possibly to Caribean Air
134 Post contains images A388 : Sounds like a good idea if done the right way which can be very difficult I can imagine. It would be nice to see Dash8 wearing the hummingbird or any
135 Captaink : Probably it is. But I tell you, I have some very sneaky suspicions of this date Dec 31st. Lets see how the story unfolds.
136 Post contains links and images BWIA 772 : Captaink I would not be suprised. In one of those statements that I posted the link it is stated that the new carrier plans to be the number one inter
137 AA1818 : What else u think is going to happen on Dec 31st- i'm really curious!! Also is it BWIA's Bday today?? What date was it formed??? Happy Birthday BWIA!
138 Post contains images Captaink : Well.. 1. BW to Caribbean Airlines 2. Whatever has to happen between LI and 8B was said to tke place most likely on that said day, Dec 31st. 3. Carib
139 BWIA 772 : BWIA first flight took place November 27th 2006 POS TAB BGI. Chairman of LIAT noted that the same presentation that was made in Texas i.e. the consoli
140 Beeweel15 : " target=_blank>http://www.liatairline.com/documents...2.pdf This is the First Question in the consoidation update -21/10/2006 ***********************
141 BWIA 772 : Actually they took off the link for them that is LI. CStar did have a link when the talks became official. Guys now reggae bird not to long posted inf
142 Post contains links and images Beeweel15 : HAPPY BIRTHDAY BWIA Date of Birth - November 27, 1940 Last Flight out - December 31, 2006 An aircraft like this started it all View Large View MediumP
143 Post contains images BWIA 772 : Here is a pic of the interior of TAB. I never thought I would say this but I am going to miss the orange and the green.
144 Post contains images Captaink : Awesome post Beewee15. I the Tristar for their sound as well. I remember once BW came through with it at GND. I was with a friend who is really into
145 BWIA 772 : Sorry to hear Captaink I still have my own including my last one for the L1011 flight. Now that BW is gone I have to go and sort them out etc and pla
146 Post contains links BWIA 772 : Guys found a pic of TAB @ POS. Honestly the livery is growing on me. http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5862640
147 Captaink : I have to admit, it growing on my fast. The plane looks really smart. I can't wait to see a few of them at the same time at POS, and what a widebody
148 WestIndian425 : That bass-line is why the L-1011 is my favorite aircraft of all time. Whether inside or outside watching it pushback and start up, that sound always
149 Post contains images MD90fan : From the Bahamas spectrum -VS is dropping NAS next March. -Bahamasair is supposedly considering acquiring a batch of E-jets to replace the 737s. What
150 WestIndian425 : This is an interesting develpment. I think they wouold be a good fit for the airline.
151 Post contains images A388 : My thaughts exactly A388
152 Post contains images Captaink : Why? Loads? Strange as we are talking about Nassau here. I guess it is market very US tourist oriented. There goes my only chance to ride a 732. But
153 A388 : Like you said I also think the Bahamas market is mainly aimed at U.S. tourists even though I have read here before that a lot of cargo is also carrie
154 Post contains images MD90fan : IIRC the 734 (and other 737s) was ruled out because it was uneconomical to operate on short hops. They also said the Airbus A319/A320 has "excess ran
155 Post contains links TransIsland : About Virgin and Nassau: http://www.bahamasb2b.com/news/story...Suspends-Direct-Flights-To-Bahamas The reason given (redevelopment of Cable Beach) sou
156 Captaink : Why the A318? The E195 and !90 doesn't vary that much in passenger capacity. Cargo capacity and range is where the difference would be I assume. Most
157 Post contains images MD90fan : Why the A318?? It would be horrible for us, unless of course we are starting flights to LAX and SEA. UP should really look into Q400s when they have
158 Madhatter : Been looking at the schedules for the BA route to POS and it appears that they are expanding their BGI services up to 10 flights per week to cover thi
159 Post contains images A388 : So UP seems to be in a dilemma when it comes down to the perfect aircraft that suites their requirements. The A318 or 736 indeed sound like a good ai
160 Post contains images MD90fan : We will probably need foreigners to help us decide Maybe Airbus, Boeing probably doesnt give a rat's a$$ for securing a new customer that is a smalle
161 Post contains links Beeweel15 : For those of you who loved the Tri Star sound here is a link for you all the hear the rhythm of the RR-RB211 and the newer sound of the RR-Trent. htt
162 TransIsland : At least one person understands what I'm saying! The A318 has slightly more cargo capacity per pax than the B736, and my argument is that the A319 an
163 Post contains links and images MD90fan : Hey everybody I started a new thread because this one was getting too long. the link is: http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...eneral_aviation/read.m
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