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TAM Gets 94th Aircraft; 71st Airbus  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

Again, news of TAM's never-ending expansion:

Today TAM received its 94th bird, another A320 which will enter operation in the weekend. This is the 13rd A320/A319 family aircraft added to TAM's fleet this year alone. As of today, TAM's fleet stands as follows:

14 x A319
48 x A320
10 x A330
22 x F100

TAM expects to close the year with at least 95 aircraft.

Yesterday TAM also announced that it confirmed the order of 37 new Airbuses, as foreseen in the LoI. The 37 Airbuses will be delivered until 2010: 12 x A319; 16 x A320; 3 x A321; and 6 x A330. The Airbuses will also replace TAM's strong (and old) 22 x F100 fleet.

Late last month TAM has also finalised the order of 4 x B777-300ER from Boeing, with option for more 4 x B773. Until the 4 x B773 are delivered, expected in 2008, TAM will take delivery in 2007 of 3 x MD11 as an interim solution.

TAM's Airbus and Boeing firm orders will bring up the fleet until end 2010 to 113 aircraft, taking into account 22 x F100 are all phased out.

Rgs,

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User currently offlineExpress1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2897 times:

I wonder if TAM will use the B773ERs on the London route along with the A330s that are operating to LHR?

dave


User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2893 times:

Is TAM turning into one of the biggest airline in LatAm in terms of aircrafts ?


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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

Quoting Bongo (Reply 2):
Is TAM turning into one of the biggest airline in LatAm in terms of aircrafts ?

According to my records, TAM has the biggest fleet in Latin America and is the biggest Airbus operator in the region. TAM is followed by AM, LA, MX and GOL.

If I'm not mistaken, AM comes close in second place with 92 frames: 73 + 19 from subsidiary Aerolitoral = 92 birds. I stand for correction.

LA has 66 frames (LA 62 + 4 from LA Express), MX has 61 frames, while GOL has 57 frames.

Any corrections?

Rgs,


User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8539 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2801 times:
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TAM have really done well to grow at such a rate, yet seem to maintain an excellent product across the board, EK could come and learn a few lessons from TAM.


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User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1116 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
LA has 66 frames (LA 62 + 4 from LA Express), MX has 61 frames, while GOL has 57 frames.

How about LA's subsidiaries in Argentina and Peru? 4M operates 737-200's, 767-300ER's and A320's. However, I believe LP's A320 are all CC-registered LA's examples.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 5):
How about LA's subsidiaries in Argentina and Peru?

In my calculations, Lan Argentina has 10 frames, which will make LA Group have a total of 76 frames.

This keeps LA Group still as third biggest fleet in the Latin American region. When I mentioned LA's 66 frames I included LAN Chile, Lan Express and LAN Peru.

Quoting Express1 (Reply 1):
I wonder if TAM will use the B773ERs on the London route along with the A330s that are operating to LHR?

In my opinion, TAM's first 4 x B773 will be used for GRU-CDG and GRU-JFK.

Rgs,


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6807 posts, RR: 77
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

Quoting Ba319-131 (Reply 4):
EK could come and learn a few lessons from TAM.

EK has grown with widebodies only, mostly on medium and longhaul routes all across the world which requires more staff and more effort in general (aircraft interiors, ground facilities etc.). TAM's growth has been mostly with narrowbodies on standardized short haul and medium haul routes.


PH



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
TAM's growth has been mostly with narrowbodies on standardized short haul and medium haul routes.

Disagree. TAM has also grown in long-haul routes. In 2006 alone: MAO-MIA, GRU-JFK (two new daily flights), GRU-LHR, GRU-CDG (additional daily flight) while GIG-CDG, GIG-MIA and GRU-MXP are all scheduled for early 2007. I guess this is a substantive long-haul expansion!

Rgs,


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6807 posts, RR: 77
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 8):
Disagree. TAM has also grown in long-haul routes. In 2006 alone: MAO-MIA, GRU-JFK (two new daily flights), GRU-LHR, GRU-CDG (additional daily flight) while GIG-CDG, GIG-MIA and GRU-MXP are all scheduled for early 2007. I guess this is a substantive long-haul expansion!

It's a significant expansion for TAM, but still very limited compared to EK which has integrated 27 additional widebodies (mainly B77W) since 2005.


PH



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 9):
It's a significant expansion for TAM, but still very limited compared to EK which has integrated 27 additional widebodies (mainly B77W) since 2005.

And how many narrow bodies? While TAM has also grown in medium and short haul routes, and EK not.

Are you trying to excuse EK's demise in service level? This is not the right forum I guess. The point made above was TAM high level and quality of service amid rapid national and international expansion.

Rgs,


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6807 posts, RR: 77
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 10):
While TAM has also grown in medium and short haul routes, and EK not.

There's a significant difference between starting medium and long haul routes with mainly B77Ws around the globe on the one hand and starting rather standardized short and medium haul routes with mainly A320 aircraft on the other hand. I have already pointed that out.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 10):
The point made above was TAM high level and quality of service amid rapid national and international expansion.

It was suggested that EK could learn from JJ. That's what I disagree with and responded to.

Btw - EK's service levels may have declined, but the airline still offers an excellent product despite its growth (e.g. catering, IFE).


PH



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User currently offlineUAL747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 582 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

Does anyone know if this announcement was from the airline or Airbus?

BCA should learn from this. Imagine.... SWA took delievery of it's 477th 737 the other day......it's 253rd 737-700.

Alas, it would probably get pretty boring and probably the reason they don't do it. But heck, whatever floats your boat.

UAL747-600


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
It was suggested that EK could learn from JJ. That's what I disagree with and responded to.

I never said the above. But if Ek wants to start DXB-GRU daily in November 2007 (as announced by its VP), I'm sure they will need TAM...

Quoting UAL747-600 (Reply 12):
Does anyone know if this announcement was from the airline or Airbus?

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...ssreleases_items/06_11_16_tam.html

Rgs,


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 8):
TAM has also grown in long-haul routes. In 2006 alone: MAO-MIA

I agree with the other ones, but MAO-MIA is hardly long-haul. Medium-haul, yes.

I think two new long-haul routes (JFK and LHR) this year was a strong expansion for TAM.



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User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

Just a correction. TAM will end 2006 with 96 aircrafts instead of 95.

User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

May they´ll start a FRA route .

They could be a good South America Partner for LH, as RG is loosing more and more there.

It´s Incredible how this Airline is growing , I wish them the Best !


User currently offlineVelasco From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 2376 times:

With such a fast-pace expansion, are there no TAM plans for LIS? TAP could use some competition I guess.


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2363 times:
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Quoting Velasco (Reply 17):
With such a fast-pace expansion, are there no TAM plans for LIS? TAP could use some competition I guess.

No, Tam for sure has no plans for LIS.
Another service to JFK (from GIG), another service to LHR (if they get additional frequencies, and probably also from GIG) are on their plans.

FRA only if they can obtain a local partner as per their CEO and CFO comments.

MXP depends on approval from Italian authorities, but AFAIK, Italy protects AZ market and does not agree in upgrade the bilateral with Brazil which could allow Tam to fly to MXP.

Quoting Express1 (Reply 1):
I wonder if TAM will use the B773ERs on the London route along with the A330s that are operating to LHR?

Without RG, London seems to be the perfect route for the 773. I don't know about MIA or JFK due to the higher aircraft use and the fact that the daily-lights keep average loads of 60 to 70%. Paris seems to be the other route. And i believe they will buy more 773's !

Felipe



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 15):
Just a correction. TAM will end 2006 with 96 aircrafts instead of 95.

95 if the number of F-100s are reduced to 21.

I also agree with Lipe that TAM has no current plans for LIS. But if Italy does not grant TAM traffic rights, where else could TAM expand? MAD, AMS, GVA?

Rgs,


User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Considering no F10t0 will leave the flee in 2006, correct figure is 96 frames.

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 20):
Considering no F10t0 will leave the flee in 2006, correct figure is 96 frames.

I thought one or two F100 would leave TAM fleet in 2006 (I think for KLM). But if this is the case, indeed, TAM will close the year with 96 frames.

Rgs,


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