Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1990 times:
Again, news of TAM's never-ending expansion:
Today TAM received its 94th bird, another A320 which will enter operation in the weekend. This is the 13rd A320/A319 family aircraft added to TAM's fleet this year alone. As of today, TAM's fleet stands as follows:
14 x A319
48 x A320
10 x A330
22 x F100
TAM expects to close the year with at least 95 aircraft.
Yesterday TAM also announced that it confirmed the order of 37 new Airbuses, as foreseen in the LoI. The 37 Airbuses will be delivered until 2010: 12 x A319; 16 x A320; 3 x A321; and 6 x A330. The Airbuses will also replace TAM's strong (and old) 22 x F100 fleet.
Late last month TAM has also finalised the order of 4 x B777-300ER from Boeing, with option for more 4 x B773. Until the 4 x B773 are delivered, expected in 2008, TAM will take delivery in 2007 of 3 x MD11 as an interim solution.
TAM's Airbus and Boeing firm orders will bring up the fleet until end 2010 to 113 aircraft, taking into account 22 x F100 are all phased out.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1947 times:
Quoting Bongo (Reply 2): Is TAM turning into one of the biggest airline in LatAm in terms of aircrafts ?
According to my records, TAM has the biggest fleet in Latin America and is the biggest Airbus operator in the region. TAM is followed by AM, LA, MX and GOL.
If I'm not mistaken, AM comes close in second place with 92 frames: 73 + 19 from subsidiary Aerolitoral = 92 birds. I stand for correction.
LA has 66 frames (LA 62 + 4 from LA Express), MX has 61 frames, while GOL has 57 frames.
Ba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8258 posts, RR: 56 Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1886 times:
TAM have really done well to grow at such a rate, yet seem to maintain an excellent product across the board, EK could come and learn a few lessons from TAM.
Pdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 998 posts, RR: 6 Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1806 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3): LA has 66 frames (LA 62 + 4 from LA Express), MX has 61 frames, while GOL has 57 frames.
How about LA's subsidiaries in Argentina and Peru? 4M operates 737-200's, 767-300ER's and A320's. However, I believe LP's A320 are all CC-registered LA's examples.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1786 times:
Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 5): How about LA's subsidiaries in Argentina and Peru?
In my calculations, Lan Argentina has 10 frames, which will make LA Group have a total of 76 frames.
This keeps LA Group still as third biggest fleet in the Latin American region. When I mentioned LA's 66 frames I included LAN Chile, Lan Express and LAN Peru.
Quoting Express1 (Reply 1): I wonder if TAM will use the B773ERs on the London route along with the A330s that are operating to LHR?
In my opinion, TAM's first 4 x B773 will be used for GRU-CDG and GRU-JFK.
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6183 posts, RR: 79 Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1775 times:
Quoting Ba319-131 (Reply 4): EK could come and learn a few lessons from TAM.
EK has grown with widebodies only, mostly on medium and longhaul routes all across the world which requires more staff and more effort in general (aircraft interiors, ground facilities etc.). TAM's growth has been mostly with narrowbodies on standardized short haul and medium haul routes.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1660 times:
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7): TAM's growth has been mostly with narrowbodies on standardized short haul and medium haul routes.
Disagree. TAM has also grown in long-haul routes. In 2006 alone: MAO-MIA, GRU-JFK (two new daily flights), GRU-LHR, GRU-CDG (additional daily flight) while GIG-CDG, GIG-MIA and GRU-MXP are all scheduled for early 2007. I guess this is a substantive long-haul expansion!
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6183 posts, RR: 79 Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1653 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 8): Disagree. TAM has also grown in long-haul routes. In 2006 alone: MAO-MIA, GRU-JFK (two new daily flights), GRU-LHR, GRU-CDG (additional daily flight) while GIG-CDG, GIG-MIA and GRU-MXP are all scheduled for early 2007. I guess this is a substantive long-haul expansion!
It's a significant expansion for TAM, but still very limited compared to EK which has integrated 27 additional widebodies (mainly B77W) since 2005.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1644 times:
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 9): It's a significant expansion for TAM, but still very limited compared to EK which has integrated 27 additional widebodies (mainly B77W) since 2005.
And how many narrow bodies? While TAM has also grown in medium and short haul routes, and EK not.
Are you trying to excuse EK's demise in service level? This is not the right forum I guess. The point made above was TAM high level and quality of service amid rapid national and international expansion.
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6183 posts, RR: 79 Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1625 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 10): While TAM has also grown in medium and short haul routes, and EK not.
There's a significant difference between starting medium and long haul routes with mainly B77Ws around the globe on the one hand and starting rather standardized short and medium haul routes with mainly A320 aircraft on the other hand. I have already pointed that out.
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 10): The point made above was TAM high level and quality of service amid rapid national and international expansion.
It was suggested that EK could learn from JJ. That's what I disagree with and responded to.
Btw - EK's service levels may have declined, but the airline still offers an excellent product despite its growth (e.g. catering, IFE).
UAL747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 538 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1613 times:
Does anyone know if this announcement was from the airline or Airbus?
BCA should learn from this. Imagine.... SWA took delievery of it's 477th 737 the other day......it's 253rd 737-700.
Alas, it would probably get pretty boring and probably the reason they don't do it. But heck, whatever floats your boat.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11200 posts, RR: 61 Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1448 times:
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Quoting Velasco (Reply 17): With such a fast-pace expansion, are there no TAM plans for LIS? TAP could use some competition I guess.
No, Tam for sure has no plans for LIS.
Another service to JFK (from GIG), another service to LHR (if they get additional frequencies, and probably also from GIG) are on their plans.
FRA only if they can obtain a local partner as per their CEO and CFO comments.
MXP depends on approval from Italian authorities, but AFAIK, Italy protects AZ market and does not agree in upgrade the bilateral with Brazil which could allow Tam to fly to MXP.
Quoting Express1 (Reply 1): I wonder if TAM will use the B773ERs on the London route along with the A330s that are operating to LHR?
Without RG, London seems to be the perfect route for the 773. I don't know about MIA or JFK due to the higher aircraft use and the fact that the daily-lights keep average loads of 60 to 70%. Paris seems to be the other route. And i believe they will buy more 773's !
Felipe
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1370 times:
Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 15): Just a correction. TAM will end 2006 with 96 aircrafts instead of 95.
95 if the number of F-100s are reduced to 21.
I also agree with Lipe that TAM has no current plans for LIS. But if Italy does not grant TAM traffic rights, where else could TAM expand? MAD, AMS, GVA?
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