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Etihad To Kuala Lumpur Jan. '07  
User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5309 times:

Although this has not been released to the press yet, but amadeus now shows that Etihad Airways will operate 6 weekly flights into KUL (daily except Saturday) using A343 from January 15, 2007.

Flight schedules are as below:
AUH - KUL: 2:40 am - 1:30 pm, EY 405
KUL - AUH: 3:00 pm - 6:15 pm, EY 406

Also, Qatar Airways is expected to increase its capacity to KUL by 27% - most probably an upgrade to the A332 finally. Does anybody know why QR has such a long layover at KUL?

DOH - KUL: 11:35 pm - 11:55 am+1
KUL - DOH: 3:10 am - 6:00 am (Tuesday, Wednesday, Saturday, and Sunday)
KUL - DOH: 7:30 am - 10:20 am (Monday, Thursday, and Firday)

QR's AB6 is spending about 15-19 hours on KUL's tarmac since QR operates turnaround flights into KUL now.

[Edited 2006-11-18 21:33:24]

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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5534 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5295 times:

Quoting OdiE (Thread starter):
DOH - KUL: 11:35 pm - 11:55 am+1

doesn't QR perform other Regional routes in Asia from KUL?


User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5274 times:

Quoting OdiE (Thread starter):
using A343

Interesting news. I guess that's A6-EYC taken care of for the forseeable future...


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3834 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5255 times:

Quoting OdiE (Thread starter):
Although this has not been released to the press yet, but amadeus now shows that Etihad Airways will operate 6 weekly flights into KUL (daily except Saturday) using A343 from January 15, 2007.

Flight schedules are as below:
AUH - KUL: 2:40 am - 1:30 pm, EY 405
KUL - AUH: 3:00 pm - 6:15 pm, EY 406

Glad to see this become a reality finaly, it has been rumoured for some time  Smile

Glad to also see the afternoon arrival of the flight into KUL  Smile

Suprised but pleased about the use of the A340-300 on the route; I was under the impression they would start flights with the A330's.

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 1):
doesn't QR perform other Regional routes in Asia from KUL?

Yes they do, they operate the following flights:
DOH-KUL-SIN-CGK

My guess is that the route could get upgraded to the 332, but nothing in the schedules as of yet. Bali (DPS) may also be routed via KUL.

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 3142 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5250 times:

are you sure about that? I am pretty sure that they will serve PVG with A343 starting 7th Jan....

User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5204 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):
Yes they do, they operate the following flights:
DOH-KUL-SIN-CGK

I don't think they do any intra-Asia routes from KUL anymore. They used to link KUL with KTM, SIN, and CGK but KUL seems to be a dedicated service now.

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 4):
are you sure about that? I am pretty sure that they will serve PVG with A343 starting 7th Jan....

Just checked amadeus, no AUH-PVG flights in late January. Maybe that's where the A343 went.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 3142 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5158 times:

this must be a recent decision because just a week ago there were no words about KUL. I know that exactly because we do the ground handling for EY at FRA. We wondered and were very happy as we heard that A6-EYC (the one and only A340-400) will be dedicated to AUH-PVG starting in Jan.. Nowadays -YC operates every day except Thursdays betweeen AUH-FRA-AUH and we hate this a/c!

I checked Amadeus as well and yes, you are definitly right, but I'm wondering very much...  Confused


User currently offlineFlyEmirates From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5153 times:

Whats wrong with the aircraft? does it go tech often?

User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 3142 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5140 times:

Quoting FlyEmirates (Reply 7):
Whats wrong with the aircraft? does it go tech often?

it is one of the oldest a/c in their fleet and a former SQ frame with the old interiour, too tiny PTVs and so on... But I have to admit that we haven't got so much technical problems with it, just the apperance isn't like the other luxury aircrafts in EYs fleet so we don't like it, the pax don't like and the flight crews don't like it as well Big grin
(I am sure the aircrafts doesn't like us either Big grin )


User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4653 posts, RR: 69
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5104 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):
Yes they do, they operate the following flights:
DOH-KUL-SIN-CGK



Quoting OdiE (Reply 5):
I don't think they do any intra-Asia routes from KUL anymore. They used to link KUL with KTM, SIN, and CGK but KUL seems to be a dedicated service now.

Odie is right. All KUL flights have been changed to dedicated terminator services at the onset of the winterschedule. At the same time, daily CGK services all operate via SIN and thrice weekly DOH CEB flights, which previously routed through SIN have become nonstop. The current odd timings for the KUL services with A300 are because QR has maintained the schedules from the time the flights continued to CGK. All of this might change with the arrival of the A332s on the route.


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5048 times:

Here is a press release from Gulf News regarding the launch of the route.

http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Aviation/10083679.html


User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 3142 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4921 times:

"This non-stop service between the UAE and the Malaysian capital is set to be one of our most popular, with a high volume of traffic direct from the Middle East, and also among European guests looking to travel via Abu Dhabi to Malaysia on business or vacation," James Hogan, CEO of Etihad Airways, said.

if they expect such a big demand on that route why A340-300 with "only" 225 in Eco and not one of their T777 with 350 config in Y???


User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4653 posts, RR: 69
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4851 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 11):
if they expect such a big demand on that route why A340-300 with "only" 225 in Eco and not one of their T777 with 350 config in Y???

I guess their B773ERs are pretty tightly scheduled as it is. Here in Jakarta we get the B77W six times weekly and flights tend to be absolultely packed albeit mostly with migrant workers and as such with lower yielding traffic. Same goes for Manila. I don't know about the layout of the airline's A343 but the B77W is certainly not the aircraft to serve premium markets, so if EY were to expect some premium traffic, it might want to deploy an aircraft with a higher ratio of premium seats.


User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4818 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 11):
why A340-300 with "only" 225 in Eco and not one of their T777 with 350 config in Y???

Well there are only 5 of them, and with BKK double daily, LGW along with JKT and MNL (most of those daily flights), there isn't aircraft availability for 6/week flights to KUL.

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 8):
admit that we haven't got so much technical problems with it, just the apperance isn't like the other luxury

Reliability counts. Aesthetics aside - it's more reliable than the other ugly red-headed step-sister in the fleet.


User currently offlineSriLankan From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4723 times:

Quoting OdiE (Thread starter):
Also, Qatar Airways is expected to increase its capacity to KUL by 27% - most probably an upgrade to the A332 finally. Does anybody know why QR has such a long layover at KUL?

QR will extend its KUL service DPS starting JAN07.


User currently offlineChangyou From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4700 times:
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Sorry to side-track a little...If there are so many passengers flying over to KUL from the Middle East then why isn't MH doing anything about it? So what are MH response to these expansion by middle eastern airliners to KUL? Stay low and continue to let the pie being eaten by these fast growing carriers...And to know only a little too late when they come to their senses?

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 5355 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4666 times:

EYs A 343 seats 265 pax in a 3 class configuration. It is the ex-SQ plane which EK and GF too have in their fleet.

The capacity of this acft for their new KUL route is ideal...there is absolutely no need to send a bigger B 77W to KUL.

The reason why CGK needs a B 77W and is filled up regularly is because of the large expat labor population from Indonesia working in UAE + transitting traffic to RUH, JED and Europe.

Interesting to hear that QRs DPS flights will be routed via KUL...since KUL has an open skies policy, I would expect QR too to have 5th freedom rights on this route.

QR will pick up a lot of european/uk tourists bound for DPS and plus being the only Arab airline flying there directly has its advantages as well.


User currently offlineShinkai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4576 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):
Yes they do, they operate the following flights:
DOH-KUL-SIN-CGK

Etihad does not fly to SIN. All flights between UAE and SIN are served by SQ and EK.

Quoting Changyou (Reply 15):
Sorry to side-track a little...If there are so many passengers flying over to KUL from the Middle East then why isn't MH doing anything about it? So what are MH response to these expansion by middle eastern airliners to KUL? Stay low and continue to let the pie being eaten by these fast growing carriers...And to know only a little too late when they come to their senses?

A very good question. Why is MH using their aircraft to fly to Argentina where they are making losses but not to the Middle East where they can probably enjoy higher yields?


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3834 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4410 times:

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 17):
Etihad does not fly to SIN. All flights between UAE and SIN are served by SQ and EK.

I wasn't refering to EY. First of why would EY flights begin in Doha  Wink

I was commenting on the QR flights from KUL, which have now been dropped!  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 3142 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4377 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 16):
The capacity of this acft for their new KUL route is ideal...there is absolutely no need to send a bigger B 77W to KUL.

good argument, but can you aprove it or give some reasons for that argument????


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 5355 posts, RR: 47
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4364 times:

the market size of KUL is much smaller than CGK due to population issues both at home and abroad. the indonesian population in its homeland + the size of its expat/immigrant population working / residing abroad is much larger than the malaysian one.

compared to CGK, yes KUL beats it when it comes to tourism but when it comes to pilgrims (bound for JED) + labor workers in the middle east + expat indonesians in EU, UK and now JFK, CGK's market size is much bigger than KUL's.

plus via CGK, many airlines have a SPA with GA or Lion Air for the CGK-DPS and Surbabya routes where as via KUL its Penang or Langkawi at the most...both markets mainly tourist oriented and much smaller in size.


User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

The official announcement in Malaysian daily.

Etihad to fly six times a week to KL
By Ashwin Raman

Etihad Airways, the national airline of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), will operate six flights weekly to Kuala Lumpur beginning Jan 15, 2007, the airline said.

Kuala Lumpur will be Etihad's fourth destination in Asia-Pacific following Bangkok, Jakarta and Manila.

The Abu Dhabi-based airline would operate on one of its three-zone Airbus A340-300 aircraft between Abu Dhabi and Kuala Lumpur. The service will operate every day of the week except Saturdays.

In a statement on Nov 21, Ethihad said the strength of the demand for the new route indicates a significant impact in both the corporate and leisure sectors in the Asia-Pacific and Middle East.

Its chief executive officer James Hogan said Malaysia was a highly popular destination for the UAE due to the flexible visa requirements and advanced medical facilities and treatments available.

"Malaysia and the UAE enjoy an array of cultural ties in addition to vibrant economies. We fully expect business executives and leisure travellers based in both countries to fly frequently with Etihad on this new servce, further enhancing trade links," he said.

*****

Btw, a lot of KUL based job offerings are now on EY's website.


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