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Etihad To Kuala Lumpur Jan. '07  
User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4295 times:

Although this has not been released to the press yet, but amadeus now shows that Etihad Airways will operate 6 weekly flights into KUL (daily except Saturday) using A343 from January 15, 2007.

Flight schedules are as below:
AUH - KUL: 2:40 am - 1:30 pm, EY 405
KUL - AUH: 3:00 pm - 6:15 pm, EY 406

Also, Qatar Airways is expected to increase its capacity to KUL by 27% - most probably an upgrade to the A332 finally. Does anybody know why QR has such a long layover at KUL?

DOH - KUL: 11:35 pm - 11:55 am+1
KUL - DOH: 3:10 am - 6:00 am (Tuesday, Wednesday, Saturday, and Sunday)
KUL - DOH: 7:30 am - 10:20 am (Monday, Thursday, and Firday)

QR's AB6 is spending about 15-19 hours on KUL's tarmac since QR operates turnaround flights into KUL now.

[Edited 2006-11-18 21:33:24]

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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4281 times:

Quoting OdiE (Thread starter):
DOH - KUL: 11:35 pm - 11:55 am+1

doesn't QR perform other Regional routes in Asia from KUL?


User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4260 times:

Quoting OdiE (Thread starter):
using A343

Interesting news. I guess that's A6-EYC taken care of for the forseeable future...



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

Quoting OdiE (Thread starter):
Although this has not been released to the press yet, but amadeus now shows that Etihad Airways will operate 6 weekly flights into KUL (daily except Saturday) using A343 from January 15, 2007.

Flight schedules are as below:
AUH - KUL: 2:40 am - 1:30 pm, EY 405
KUL - AUH: 3:00 pm - 6:15 pm, EY 406

Glad to see this become a reality finaly, it has been rumoured for some time  Smile

Glad to also see the afternoon arrival of the flight into KUL  Smile

Suprised but pleased about the use of the A340-300 on the route; I was under the impression they would start flights with the A330's.

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 1):
doesn't QR perform other Regional routes in Asia from KUL?

Yes they do, they operate the following flights:
DOH-KUL-SIN-CGK

My guess is that the route could get upgraded to the 332, but nothing in the schedules as of yet. Bali (DPS) may also be routed via KUL.

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

are you sure about that? I am pretty sure that they will serve PVG with A343 starting 7th Jan....

User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4190 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):
Yes they do, they operate the following flights:
DOH-KUL-SIN-CGK

I don't think they do any intra-Asia routes from KUL anymore. They used to link KUL with KTM, SIN, and CGK but KUL seems to be a dedicated service now.

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 4):
are you sure about that? I am pretty sure that they will serve PVG with A343 starting 7th Jan....

Just checked amadeus, no AUH-PVG flights in late January. Maybe that's where the A343 went.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

this must be a recent decision because just a week ago there were no words about KUL. I know that exactly because we do the ground handling for EY at FRA. We wondered and were very happy as we heard that A6-EYC (the one and only A340-400) will be dedicated to AUH-PVG starting in Jan.. Nowadays -YC operates every day except Thursdays betweeen AUH-FRA-AUH and we hate this a/c!

I checked Amadeus as well and yes, you are definitly right, but I'm wondering very much...  Confused


User currently offlineFlyEmirates From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

Whats wrong with the aircraft? does it go tech often?

User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4126 times:

Quoting FlyEmirates (Reply 7):
Whats wrong with the aircraft? does it go tech often?

it is one of the oldest a/c in their fleet and a former SQ frame with the old interiour, too tiny PTVs and so on... But I have to admit that we haven't got so much technical problems with it, just the apperance isn't like the other luxury aircrafts in EYs fleet so we don't like it, the pax don't like and the flight crews don't like it as well Big grin
(I am sure the aircrafts doesn't like us either Big grin )


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):
Yes they do, they operate the following flights:
DOH-KUL-SIN-CGK



Quoting OdiE (Reply 5):
I don't think they do any intra-Asia routes from KUL anymore. They used to link KUL with KTM, SIN, and CGK but KUL seems to be a dedicated service now.

Odie is right. All KUL flights have been changed to dedicated terminator services at the onset of the winterschedule. At the same time, daily CGK services all operate via SIN and thrice weekly DOH CEB flights, which previously routed through SIN have become nonstop. The current odd timings for the KUL services with A300 are because QR has maintained the schedules from the time the flights continued to CGK. All of this might change with the arrival of the A332s on the route.


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

Here is a press release from Gulf News regarding the launch of the route.

http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Aviation/10083679.html



John@SFO
User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3907 times:

"This non-stop service between the UAE and the Malaysian capital is set to be one of our most popular, with a high volume of traffic direct from the Middle East, and also among European guests looking to travel via Abu Dhabi to Malaysia on business or vacation," James Hogan, CEO of Etihad Airways, said.

if they expect such a big demand on that route why A340-300 with "only" 225 in Eco and not one of their T777 with 350 config in Y???


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3837 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 11):
if they expect such a big demand on that route why A340-300 with "only" 225 in Eco and not one of their T777 with 350 config in Y???

I guess their B773ERs are pretty tightly scheduled as it is. Here in Jakarta we get the B77W six times weekly and flights tend to be absolultely packed albeit mostly with migrant workers and as such with lower yielding traffic. Same goes for Manila. I don't know about the layout of the airline's A343 but the B77W is certainly not the aircraft to serve premium markets, so if EY were to expect some premium traffic, it might want to deploy an aircraft with a higher ratio of premium seats.


User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3804 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 11):
why A340-300 with "only" 225 in Eco and not one of their T777 with 350 config in Y???

Well there are only 5 of them, and with BKK double daily, LGW along with JKT and MNL (most of those daily flights), there isn't aircraft availability for 6/week flights to KUL.

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 8):
admit that we haven't got so much technical problems with it, just the apperance isn't like the other luxury

Reliability counts. Aesthetics aside - it's more reliable than the other ugly red-headed step-sister in the fleet.



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User currently offlineSriLankan From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

Quoting OdiE (Thread starter):
Also, Qatar Airways is expected to increase its capacity to KUL by 27% - most probably an upgrade to the A332 finally. Does anybody know why QR has such a long layover at KUL?

QR will extend its KUL service DPS starting JAN07.


User currently offlineChangyou From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3686 times:
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Sorry to side-track a little...If there are so many passengers flying over to KUL from the Middle East then why isn't MH doing anything about it? So what are MH response to these expansion by middle eastern airliners to KUL? Stay low and continue to let the pie being eaten by these fast growing carriers...And to know only a little too late when they come to their senses?

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4755 posts, RR: 43
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3652 times:

EYs A 343 seats 265 pax in a 3 class configuration. It is the ex-SQ plane which EK and GF too have in their fleet.

The capacity of this acft for their new KUL route is ideal...there is absolutely no need to send a bigger B 77W to KUL.

The reason why CGK needs a B 77W and is filled up regularly is because of the large expat labor population from Indonesia working in UAE + transitting traffic to RUH, JED and Europe.

Interesting to hear that QRs DPS flights will be routed via KUL...since KUL has an open skies policy, I would expect QR too to have 5th freedom rights on this route.

QR will pick up a lot of european/uk tourists bound for DPS and plus being the only Arab airline flying there directly has its advantages as well.


User currently offlineShinkai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):
Yes they do, they operate the following flights:
DOH-KUL-SIN-CGK

Etihad does not fly to SIN. All flights between UAE and SIN are served by SQ and EK.

Quoting Changyou (Reply 15):
Sorry to side-track a little...If there are so many passengers flying over to KUL from the Middle East then why isn't MH doing anything about it? So what are MH response to these expansion by middle eastern airliners to KUL? Stay low and continue to let the pie being eaten by these fast growing carriers...And to know only a little too late when they come to their senses?

A very good question. Why is MH using their aircraft to fly to Argentina where they are making losses but not to the Middle East where they can probably enjoy higher yields?


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 17):
Etihad does not fly to SIN. All flights between UAE and SIN are served by SQ and EK.

I wasn't refering to EY. First of why would EY flights begin in Doha  Wink

I was commenting on the QR flights from KUL, which have now been dropped!  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3363 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 16):
The capacity of this acft for their new KUL route is ideal...there is absolutely no need to send a bigger B 77W to KUL.

good argument, but can you aprove it or give some reasons for that argument????


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4755 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

the market size of KUL is much smaller than CGK due to population issues both at home and abroad. the indonesian population in its homeland + the size of its expat/immigrant population working / residing abroad is much larger than the malaysian one.

compared to CGK, yes KUL beats it when it comes to tourism but when it comes to pilgrims (bound for JED) + labor workers in the middle east + expat indonesians in EU, UK and now JFK, CGK's market size is much bigger than KUL's.

plus via CGK, many airlines have a SPA with GA or Lion Air for the CGK-DPS and Surbabya routes where as via KUL its Penang or Langkawi at the most...both markets mainly tourist oriented and much smaller in size.


User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2109 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

The official announcement in Malaysian daily.

Etihad to fly six times a week to KL
By Ashwin Raman

Etihad Airways, the national airline of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), will operate six flights weekly to Kuala Lumpur beginning Jan 15, 2007, the airline said.

Kuala Lumpur will be Etihad's fourth destination in Asia-Pacific following Bangkok, Jakarta and Manila.

The Abu Dhabi-based airline would operate on one of its three-zone Airbus A340-300 aircraft between Abu Dhabi and Kuala Lumpur. The service will operate every day of the week except Saturdays.

In a statement on Nov 21, Ethihad said the strength of the demand for the new route indicates a significant impact in both the corporate and leisure sectors in the Asia-Pacific and Middle East.

Its chief executive officer James Hogan said Malaysia was a highly popular destination for the UAE due to the flexible visa requirements and advanced medical facilities and treatments available.

"Malaysia and the UAE enjoy an array of cultural ties in addition to vibrant economies. We fully expect business executives and leisure travellers based in both countries to fly frequently with Etihad on this new servce, further enhancing trade links," he said.

*****

Btw, a lot of KUL based job offerings are now on EY's website.


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