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Pilot Still Allowed To Smoke?  
User currently offlineTargowski From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 127 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13665 times:

on a recent road trip, my sister insisted that airline pilots are still allowed to smoke cigarettes while perfoming their duties, obstensibly so that nicotine cravings do not interefere with the concentration needed to operate the airplane.

i find this contention rather absurd, though my sister lives in poland and perhaps the smoking rules in the EU are less strict here.

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User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13648 times:

Trying to find it in writing, but I recall from my recurrent training this past year at a major US airline that YES...pilots may still smoke in the flight deck.

User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3008 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13647 times:

Quoting N702ML (Reply 1):
Trying to find it in writing, but I recall from my recurrent training this past year at a major US airline that YES...pilots may still smoke in the flight deck.

WOW?! Really? That's huge news to me, ever knew that was allowed!!

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13647 times:

Here we go...

Taken from FAR Sec. 121.317 - Passenger information requirements, smoking prohibitions, and additional seat belt requirements.

(g) No person may smoke while a "No Smoking" sign is lighted or while "No Smoking" placards are posted, except as follows:

(1) Supplemental operations. The pilot in command of an airplane engaged in a supplemental operation may authorize smoking on the flight deck (if it is physically separated from any passenger compartment), but not in any of the following situations:

(i) During airplane movement on the surface or during takeoff or landing;

(ii) During scheduled passenger-carrying public charter operations conducted under part 380 of this title; or

(iii) During any operation where smoking is prohibited by part 252 of this title or by international agreement.

(2) Certain intrastate domestic operations. Except during airplane movement on the surface or during takeoff or landing, a pilot in command of an airplane engaged in a domestic operation may authorize smoking on the flight deck (if it is physically separated from the passenger compartment) if --

(i) Smoking on the flight deck is not otherwise prohibited by part 252 of this title;

(ii) The flight is conducted entirely within the same State of the United States (a flight from one place in Hawaii to another place in Hawaii through the airspace over a place outside of Hawaii is not entirely within the same State); and

(iii) The airplane is either not turbojet-powered or the airplane is not capable of carrying at least 30 passengers

[Edited 2006-11-19 20:35:22]

User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13486 times:

Last year i was travelling from Islamabad to Karachi on AirBlue.I went to visit the cockpit and being a smoker i was delighted when i was offered one in the sharp looking interior of the A320.If pilots do wish to smoke in the cockpit,then why not? It does'nt jeapordize the safety of the flight in anyway as long as they take the precautions that are required of them.Smoking was banned from planes for the comfort of non smoking pax,not safety concerns.Since cockpits are isolated environments within the plane,i see no problem with it.

User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13388 times:

After an engine flameout in poor weather, I can see them reaching for a smoke!

Sort of remember reading research suggests smoking can have positive cognitive benefits.


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13385 times:

I've been on the jumpseat several times on AeroMexico, and 9 times out of 10, one or both of the pilots will whip out a cigarette on the climbout, and smoke several on the way.

Being a non-smoker myself, at first I was a little bit grossed out, but with the constant airflow in the cockpit, it disipates quickly.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13327 times:

Quoting KHI747 (Reply 4):
Smoking was banned from planes for the comfort of non smoking pax,not safety concerns

What about the safety of the FAs? Smoking certainly was a workplace safety issue for them, just as it would be for an FO if the PIC smoked.

How do cockpit smoke detectors handle smoking? Do they ever go off from cigarette smoke?


User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1791 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13125 times:

Quoting KHI747 (Reply 4):
Last year i was travelling from Islamabad to Karachi on AirBlue.I went to visit the cockpit and being a smoker i was delighted when i was offered one in the sharp looking interior of the A320.If pilots do wish to smoke in the cockpit,then why not? It does'nt jeapordize the safety of the flight in anyway as long as they take the precautions that are required of them.Smoking was banned from planes for the comfort of non smoking pax,not safety concerns.Since cockpits are isolated environments within the plane,i see no problem with it.

Could this be an AtlasJet aircraft?  Smile I hate smoking, as well as second hand. You can turn the fans on, get the air circulating, etc. but it still is really bad.
Unfortunately in some cultures it is ok to smoke in the cockpit while there is a smoking ban for the pax.



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13099 times:

Pilots smoke like there is no tomorrow, I had very few jumpseat flights when smoking wasn't alowed.

The best one was a jumpseat flight on some Russian airline... 1 cockpit, 4 persons (two pilots, my best friend, and myself), 5 boxes (more or less empty) of Marlboro Red, 3 hours flight time, all of us are smokers...... draw your own conclusion...  rotfl 

Patrick


User currently offlineCJAContinental From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13078 times:

I seriously doubt it, you have to think whether airlines today would even employ smokers if they could avoid it, due to health reasons.


Work Hard/Fly Right.
User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13038 times:

Quoting CJAContinental (Reply 10):
you have to think whether airlines today would even employ smokers if they could avoid it, due to health reasons.

Alaska doesn't, at least not for flight crew positions.



Proud OOTSK member
User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13034 times:

Quoting Analog (Reply 7):
How do cockpit smoke detectors handle smoking?

I was on an SAA flight HKG - JNB when a passenger lit up in the lavatory -- the smoke detectors didn't sound at all, my nose, however, did register the smell (I was in my seat at the time). I informed the cabin crew, who checked that the smoke detector hadn't been tampered with.



I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12924 times:

Quoting CJAContinental (Reply 10):
I seriously doubt it, you have to think whether airlines today would even employ smokers if they could avoid it, due to health reasons.

As much as I'd like to not have to smell a coworker's breath reeking from 10 feet away after their smoke break, unfortunately there's little in the US we can do about it  bomb 

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineBaron52ta From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12847 times:

Smoking prohibtion in the flight deck is decided by the governing agency of the country from which the aircraft originates. But then it is ignored or upheld by the operating crew since there is no one to tell on them.

User currently offlineHBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12273 times:

Smoking is actually also forbidden in the cockpit on any airline operating non smoking flights. However pilots do whatever they want in there once door is closed. Probably all pilots smoking in the Flight Deck are doing it in the company's back....

User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12065 times:

One way to clear the smoke from the cockpit quickly is to open the cockpit door, and open a cockpit window for 0.5 seconds. The smoke will be at the back of the cabin just like that  Silly


Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
User currently offlineSapphireLHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11751 times:

I distinctly remember reading in the Serendipity inflight magazine for Sri Lankan Airlines that all their flights were no smoking flights, EXCEPT for their Columbo to Tokyo flights. Why this should be different I have no idea and it may have changed by now.

User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11555 times:

Quoting CJAContinental (Reply 10):
I seriously doubt it, you have to think whether airlines today would even employ smokers if they could avoid it, due to health reasons.

nothing of the sort, that's called discrimination, if you can pass JAR-FCL 3 medical requirements, a company can't impose such stipulations on your personal habits as criteria to empoy you....



The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3528 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11479 times:

Would you say that there are a lot of smokers in the aviation industry period? I know I see A LOT of airport and flight crews smoking outside the terminal.


Support the beer and soda can industry, recycle old airplanes!
User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11306 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 6):
Being a non-smoker myself, at first I was a little bit grossed out, but with the constant airflow in the cockpit, it disipates quickly.

Constant airflow - did you have the window open  Wink

Can staff smoke in other cabin areas such as the crew bunks? Or do they all have to cram into the cockpit for a quick drag...



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User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11169 times:

I do not understand the fuss about it, I am a smoker and I have no problem not to smoke on a flight, regardless if some of the crew members has a puff in the cockpit.......
Had many flights between ZRH-IST and I had a chance to talk with the crew and yes we had a puff.... in the cockpit.

Like I am all for smoking out side...... but some of these so called "healthier" living people here think smoking is the one and only reason people die of cancer... (ever studied some environment pollution lately?) of cores not because you would have to sue yourself......(for pollute my & your planet).

OK just  flamed  me now....... Big grin it is Monday now...

Cheers,


User currently offlineBeechcraft From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 828 posts, RR: 41
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11169 times:

Non smoking police at Lufthansa applies to ALL Passengers and Crewmembers. It is not allowed to smoke in the Cockpit, or anywhere else on Board.

Denis



That's it! You people have stood in my way long enough. I'm going to clown college!
User currently offlineOV735 From Estonia, joined Jan 2004, 913 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10832 times:

A friend told me how he was jumpseating an Enimex (small cargo carrier, used to do a lot of UN missions and support for the Paris-Dakar rally) An-72, and how three out of four crewmembers up front were more or less chain smokers.

In my opinion, a pilot will always be much more aware of the possible consequences of careless handling of the cigarette, whereas a passenger might not realise that it might result in an onboard fire. Thus, if it doesn't disturb vision, and doesn't mix with cabin air, I see no reason to ban pilots from smoking at their own discretion (apart from healthcare reasons).

Cheers,
OV735


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10631 times:

No smoking is permitted in the US. AS gives you a nicotine test prior to getting hired. You must nicotine free for at least 6 months. That is why the smoking lounges in the terminals are generally filled with staff enjoying a smoke before they head on the next flight.


I Don't know where I am anymore
25 Post contains images Analog : Perhaps that is the rule in Turkey, but elsewhere discrimination is usually only forbidden if it's against a protected class (like race, religion, et
26 MD80fanatic : If it is possible to isolate the cockpit, airflow-wise....then perhaps it would be wise to construct a similar isolated environment in the back of the
27 Post contains images DeltaGuy : Yes, and my elbow was out in the slipstream Seriously, with all the fans and ventilation in the cockpit it dissipates far quicker than if you were in
28 Soups : on Skytrax, one of Virgin Nigeria report,the pilot was smoking and passengers asked what was that smell. crew simply replied the pilot is smoking
29 Airplanenut : I was spotting at LAX over the summer and a China Air Cargo 744 flight deck was all lit up taxiing to the ramp...
30 IAirAllie : Many airlines have company policies that are more restrictive than FAA/CAA minimum rules. I have never seen a pilot smoke in the flight deck in 5 year
31 HKA : I would ask a different question : What do chronic smokers do on very long flights ? Immagine a smoker that is in habit of smoking at least once every
32 Post contains images David L : I'm sure the smoking bans are purely health related. Fires were not started "every 15 minutes" when passengers were allowed to smoke. I don't think t
33 N702ML : Perhaps in certain countries, but per the United States FAR, it is still allowed in the correct circumstances. No smoking in the cabin does not mean
34 Anair80 : No wonder there at times there are rude and aggresive people on certain flights, that suddenly need to divert for these people. They get nervous and
35 CJAContinental : What aircraft do you fly then?
36 David L : Have you ever heard of such an incident where drugs or large quantities of alcohol were not involved?
37 CJAContinental : Yeah, do you remember the one with the swedish supermodel, apparently she went nuts. She was on her way to New york from london I think, had to land n
38 Post contains images David L : OK, excluding "celebrities".
39 IAirAllie : Um they can plan ahead and bring nicorrette, the patch or any of the other products widely available. They have a responsibility to follow the rules
40 Post contains images David L : Please! Just how many sober, non-celebrity smokers don't "keep their behaviour under control" on long flights? They behave the same way everyone else
41 Ktachiya : Actually, interesting....... Japan was the last country to have all its flights banned with smoking. I think its because the smoking population is so
42 Analog : Japanese flights must have been pretty bad, even in the non-smoking sections. Last year I made the mistake of sitting a few rows away from the door t
43 474218 : How are the FA's effected, they are not on the flight deck they are back in the cabin, where smoking is not allowed. Maybe its the FO that smokes? Fi
44 Post contains images Analog : FA's were affected by smoke in the cabin when people smoked in the cabin (before the smoking ban). I was responding to reply 4. I was not aware of an
45 Post contains images David L : Ah yes, the old "effected/affected" conundrum.
46 MD80fanatic : The whole thing seems a little odd to me. Employees can smoke while customers cannot. If it weren't for the customers, there would be no plane to smok
47 David L : But chefs smoking in the kitchen could easily affect the food that the paying customers are eating. I'm sure if a significant amount of smoke was rea
48 HBJZA : I used to work only on European routes so not very long. But a few times it happened that a pax really needed to smoke one. So he would simply stay s
49 Post contains images David L : I can't see that happening now.
50 Post contains images HAWK21M : Legally No. regds MEL
51 Post contains images HAWK21M : Legally No. regds MEL
52 Starlionblue : The Japanese are notorious for smoking. On one of the Japanese domestic routes a few years ago, JAL banned smoking and immediately lost customers in
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