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BOS' New Runway 14/32 Now Open!  
User currently offlineHighflyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7863 times:

Finally, after years of protest and court cases and more, Boston's logan interantional finally has readied its newly built runway for action, to start thanksgiving morning! although it will only be used by commuter and regional traffic, delays should be shortened.

http://www.boston.com/business/globe...06/11/19/the_30_year_saga_of_1432/

See also:
http://cbs4boston.com/topstories/local_story_323182941.html

IMO, BOS could use A LOT more expansion, but is limited by land and neigborhood activists, and any massport monkey-wrenches thrown into the mix.

Well, at least its something!

highflyer   

[Edited 2006-11-20 04:21:19]


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User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7700 times:

Maybe BOS (like SFO, NYC and LAX) might try the HKG approach and just built some proper facility out in the sea  Smile

SailorOrion


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7667 times:

Quoting SailorOrion (Reply 1):
Maybe BOS (like SFO, NYC and LAX) might try the HKG approach and just built some proper facility out in the sea

Not with the billions of dollars airport and airlines have invested into the facilities at BOS.
That said, sure glad to see the new runway open. It sure has been finished rather fast. Now, BOS needs to be allowed to built that taxiway between the 2 4/22s.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7625 times:

Quoting SailorOrion (Reply 1):
Maybe BOS (like SFO, NYC and LAX) might try the HKG approach and just built some proper facility out in the sea

SailorOrion

Actually, BOS has a lot of it's airfield built from reclaimed sea. It was the first airport, in the world to build into the sea. Today, some 80% of the airfield is reclaimed from the sea, as is most of the city of Boston, it self.

Here is an interesting bit of (worthless?) trivia. The General Manager of the original Boston Airport (the original name, long before it was renamed E.L. Logan International Airport), was the first person to coin the word "airport".

BOS opened on 13 June 1923, originally as a military airport, with airmail service.

http://www.massport.com/logan/about_histo.html


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7470 times:

From the above-Boston.com article:

In the 1990s, a key Dukakis operative, former transportation secretary and Massport board member Frederick P. Salvucci , engineered construction of the 270-room Hyatt Harborside Hotel, a stone's throw from the end of the new runway, largely to create as big an obstacle as possible to Massport extending 14/32 or using it for planes flying over the city.

Worth noting, this is the same Fred Sulvucci that launched the Big Dig project.

Looks like the Hyatt Harborside Hotel is to BOS' 14/32 what the Aker/Kvaener crane is to PHL's 8-26.



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User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7439 times:

Just to clarify the new runway's position etc...


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Photo © Adam Queen



Shot was obviously taken during construction - I'd imagine it looks a little different now.


User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7413 times:

Considering the new runway is NOT parallel to the exsiting 15/33s, how will the approach procedures look, the paths do intersect.

SailorOrion


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 7309 times:

Do they ever use the 15L/33R runway at BOS, it looks tiny?


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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3106 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7231 times:

Courtesy: Boston Herald

Logan Airport’s Sixth Runway Set To Open

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=168205


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8453 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7205 times:
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Quoting Mk777 (Reply 7):
Do they ever use the 15L/33R runway at BOS, it looks tiny?

It is tiny!




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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7170 times:

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 7):
Do they ever use the 15L/33R runway at BOS, it looks tiny?

Mostly being use for GA props, and IIRC, Cape Air also uses it for it's Cessnas as well.

Quoting SailorOrion (Reply 6):
Considering the new runway is NOT parallel to the exsiting 15/33s, how will the approach procedures look, the paths do intersect.

I'm no pilot, but suspect for approach, a plane approaching 32 will fly parallel to the rwy 33L approach at standard seperation and will make the 10° (or less, depending on the exact magnetic heading) left turn to align with 32 .


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7100 times:

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 7):
Do they ever use the 15L/33R runway at BOS, it looks tiny?

Yes. General aviation, Cape Air and Dash-8s use 15L/33R. In fact I landed on 33R about a month ago on an Air Canada Jazz Dash-8-100.

LH423



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User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7065 times:

Quoting LH423 (Reply 11):
In fact I landed on 33R about a month ago on an Air Canada Jazz Dash-8-100.

Must be quick brakes upon landing, I am sure or is it smooth sailing?

Anyhow, someone should post a pic of the new runway. it would be nice to see an aerial shot of it.



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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7052 times:

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 12):
Must be quick brakes upon landing, I am sure or is it smooth sailing

It definitely was a quicker braking than I've had on other Dash-8 landings which are usually a lot slower since at most airports the Dash-8 doesn't need to use its full STOL capabilities. Not sure if it was due to the runway or just the windy conditions that day but the captain planted that thing down firmly. Fun thing about those planes is that, unlike most planes, you can watch the landing gear in action. We took a nice bounce on that landing.

LH423



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User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6942 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
That said, sure glad to see the new runway open. It sure has been finished rather fast. Now, BOS needs to be allowed to built that taxiway between the 2 4/22s.

that would be nice...more of a convience and taxi time cutter...id rather see the money pumped into turning 33L into a CAT III (which would help ALOT) or something like that....



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User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6804 times:
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OK, the new runway 14-32 is 5000 feet long and can be used for landings on 32 and takeoffs on 14. The reverse directions will not be available. As has been pointed out, there is a Hyatt hotel on the NW end of the runway.

Here's my question... will RJ pilots accept a takeoff clearance for a 5000 foot runway when there is a runway twice that length (15R-33L)? There is a significant safety factor with the longer runway.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3203 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6763 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 4):
In the 1990s, a key Dukakis operative, former transportation secretary and Massport board member Frederick P. Salvucci , engineered construction of the 270-room Hyatt Harborside Hotel, a stone's throw from the end of the new runway, largely to create as big an obstacle as possible to Massport extending 14/32 or using it for planes flying over the city.

Good to see Massport has people in charge who purposely create obstacles to his/her own organization!



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User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6663 times:

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 15):
Here's my question... will RJ pilots accept a takeoff clearance for a 5000 foot runway when there is a runway twice that length (15R-33L)? There is a significant safety factor with the longer runway.

I think the runway will be used more for props for takeoffs, because 5000 is plenty for them. even though some RJs are rated for that kind of performance, i doubt we'll see it in the beginning. landing, for sure, we'll see RJs, because they can definately squeeze into there. I hope Rjs take off from there only because there a major factor in the delays. i would think i short field T/O procedure would be sufficient?



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User currently offlineN757ST From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6548 times:

The RJ is a high performance jet... no short field procedure, at least for the CRJ, exists. That being said, a flap 20 winter take off can usually be done if under 47,000 or so pounds, we do it all the time in PHL on rwy 8, so you will probably see some usage of the new runway for takeoffs.

User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6492 times:

Quoting N757ST (Reply 18):
so you will probably see some usage of the new runway for takeoffs.

Thats reassuring...thanks for the info N757ST. Does that go for E170/190 as well? B6 has a lot of flights to JFK with those from bos....



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6440 times:

Flew in right over the new runway tonight when landing on 4R...was really weird seeing a runway appear right away while still in the air before we reached 9/27 - it's built pretty much right on the edge of the airport.

User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6357 times:

Well, by the charts a

1) 747-400D could take off in 5000ft @ 230 tons break release weight. Not that this is any useful.
2) 757-200 could take off in 5000ft @ 100 tons.

So plenty of operational freedom, especially considering 737s with winglets.

Another question about 14/32: Is it grooved?

SailorOrion


User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6284 times:

Ok, 14/32 is grooved, which helps in landing performance during rain.

It should be operational by now? So when do we expect wind conditions that actually cause it to be used?

SailorOrion


User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6263 times:

Ok I have done some more digging:

1) 32 and 33s have an angle of 10°
2) NO ILS installed on 32. RNAV/visual approaches only. How often are there CAT I or higher conditions on KBOS during northwestern winds, because in that case 14/32 would be closed.
3) RNAV approach to 32 parallel to 33L, then a slight turn to left well after the FAF.
4) MAP to the 32 seems to be the point when the left turn is initiated. MA goes straight ahead on runway heading of 33L, then turns left
5) Departure 14 (LOGAN THREE) maintain runway heading till 1.0 DME then turn left onto 120°

Sounds like good photo opportunities around Boston Harbor

SailorOrion


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6257 times:

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 15):
OK, the new runway 14-32 is 5000 feet long and can be used for landings on 32 and takeoffs on 14. The reverse directions will not be available. As has been pointed out, there is a Hyatt hotel on the NW end of the runway.

The question I have is this. If the intention for building the hotel is to make that side of the runway unusuable, what happens when there's an aborted landing and a go-around must be performed? Can the aircraft still clear the building? I'm going to assume yes, but it sounds kinda strange.


25 Post contains links RobertS975 : I am a native here, and generally speaking, a NW wind is a VFR day almost without exception. You might get a ceiling of 2000 foot broken on an unstab
26 Post contains links SailorOrion : Airport diagram with runway 14/32 operational SailorOrion
27 Post contains images HighFlyer9790 : i would tend to agree, but BOS is a pretty busy airport. if the wind is out of the southeast in which case 15R is being used for departures, 14 will
28 Ckfred : You have to remember that in some places, people are apointed to a government agency to keep it from doing its job, rather than oversee its growth. T
29 Coa747 : Southwest routinely uses 17/35 at PHL which is only 5,460 ft. long. They do so to the displeasure of US Airways who's 737's and A319, 20's and 21's ca
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