Burkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4306 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6419 times:
You guys are so funny! You love to speculate about aircrafts that are ten years away from first service and 20 years away from having a severe impact on revenues.
These guys have problems now. They have A330s,777,767,757, A320s, B737 classic and NG, MD80, MD90, Emb 190 and more smaller stuff around them now, they are an active museum of last 20 years of aircraft history. They have enough to sort out now - so we can speculate without danger anybody will proven false as long as anybody else remembers...
Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8968 posts, RR: 18 Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5902 times:
Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 2): I do... I wouldn't be surprised if Parker is trying to get out of the A350 commitment.
Quoting D L X (Reply 3): US isn't committed to the 350. If Parker wants out, it's just a phone call away, iirc.
And someone above already said they have long-haul 767s, 777s, and aren't they taking order of the 787? To Parker, an easy way of getting very long-haul aircraft to open Asian routes, and PHX-Europe routes...
Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8968 posts, RR: 18 Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 5636 times:
Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 14): SkyWest also flies Embraer-120s from SLC to several cities in UT and ID.
Thanks. I thought that there would be some way of looking up TOTAL fleet information on DL's website. Apparently there is not, unlike on US' website. Then again, airline webpages vary from airline/website to airline/website. I guess it depends on who develops them for the airlines as well...
I was just trying to do my homework if you will and see if I could come up with anything regarding express/regional fleet and think of what a combined service would look like. I know that Comair is nothing more than a financial burden to DL basically, well, according to other a.netters anyway, 50-seat CRJs are not very economical either, I don't know about Beeches, are they too small? But what does that leave really small airports like LNS? I don't think a route like LNS-PIT would be very profitable if operated with a DH8 as opposed to Beech1900s, or would it mean the end to LNS-PIT service (providing that the beeches are cut?)
I will think of other questions later...
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USPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 8 Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 5583 times:
Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 17): But what does that leave really small airports like LNS? I don't think a route like LNS-PIT would be very profitable if operated with a DH8 as opposed to Beech1900s, or would it mean the end to LNS-PIT service (providing that the beeches are cut?)
I think DL with the new management would keep the EAS service. It could just be transferred to Colgan Air. This might take more work than we realize, but there has to be some rationalization of US Airways Express operators. They simply have too many. I think six or seven carriers is enough. No airline needs ten commuter/regional operators to do their local service.
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 16): The 738s will happily join the fleet of 733s and 734s, and they will need the capacity well into the future.
November 20th WSJ, Parker mentioned in the fleet consolidation the older aircraft would leave, that would the 77 - 737 Classics, easy buyer for the 75 - DL 737-800. He also said, ATL would be better served with larger aircraft and fewer flight allocating the RJ's to CLT. I also think this is where SW is interested in ATL gates which Parker said they would scale back flights.
This is interesting US has 57 EMB-190 on order.
DL has 121 757 with 25 ETOPS to arrive. US has 34 757 w/ RR engines. Now, FedEx announced a fleet replacement Sept. 25th for nearly 90 B-757 spending $2.6 Billion. There are not 90 757's on the market today. I wonder if this was not a deal worked out with GECAS and USAirways. GECAS is holding a large amount of DL debt.
WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5501 posts, RR: 24 Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 5460 times:
Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 21): What do you think of Comair, would they be dumped? I hope they keep RP and their E70s... Who else is worthy of staying with this new airline, should the merger go through?
I'd probably venture to guess Mesa and Skywest/ASA?
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 22): I think there would have been an even bigger media shitstorm from the ATL crowd if THAT ever were uttered.
LOL, It would make the Eastern union fights of yore seem like Christmas at an orphanage...
Next trip: SLC-JFK-LHR-ATL-LAX-SLC...my wife's first time on DL's 764!
AvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 5382 times:
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 22): When did Parker say that? I think there would have been an even bigger media shitstorm from the ATL crowd if THAT ever were uttered.
It's more than uttered, he's repeated everytime he's asked about the network with 2 hubs in close proximity. HE says, "they'll likely fly larger aircraft from ATL while moving smaller planes (RJ's) to nearby CLT. - in 11/20's WSJ page B3. Last week on CNBC, Parker said there were overlapping assets that would better serve the company being leveraged. When asked about ATL he mentioned realigning the network reducing the ATL delays.
ATL has 80 millions O&D compared CLT 28 million O&D; however CLT is the nations #2 banking center behind NYC. ATL has already started $hitting bricks, they've lost the corporate HQ of Ga Pacific and BellSouth. Possibly losing SunTrust should the 5th 3rd or ABN Amro (both are banks) deal go through. Though these companies retain a large presence within ATL, cities pride themselves on the number of Fortune 500 HQ. Losing 2 within weeks apart and possibly a 3rd & 4th within the year, "Shirley Girl" is stressing.
The bright side is this should force the city to get their $hit together & stopping sucking on the DL "inkind tit".
25 767-332ER: Please tell us where you are getting those O&D numbers, when ATL alone last year did 85.9 mil pax total.
26 USAF336TFS: Okay, I'll buy that, but considering the relationship US has with Boeing, virtually none in the last decade, will they continue to honor Delta's long
27 AvConsultant: Yesterday AJC online, it was total pax not O&D. Thanks for catching. I remember the delta being 40 million.
28 Steeler83: Are you saying that they're worthy commuter airlines, or should they be dumped?
29 BlazingCessna: I was about to say, why in the hell would DL do that??? They wanted a buttload more of the planes but the MD/Boeing "Merger" killed that idea. I can
30 Dacman: WOW!!! There sure will be alot of surplus aircraft flooding the market over the next few years if this meger (hostile) takeover occurs.....stay tuned.
31 FLALEFTY: There will much political pressure from the southern and eastern states' Congressional delegations on the Bush Administration NOT to allow this merger
32 737DAB320: The combined numbers are as follows according to the FAA website: B737-200: 6 B737-300: 58 B737-400: 40 B737-800: 71 B757-200: 167 B767-200: 14 B767-
33 PanAm330: A subfleet of 39 RR-engined 757s from the current US would not be reengined, especially when some are well over a decade (or two, in the case of the
34 USPIT10L: Frankly I think OH is finished. It's the major thing bogging down DL's restructuring. If DL emerges as a standalone, OH will become a codeshare partn
35 Jad0761: I think that everyone is making an A v B battle start and not looking at the reality of the merger. If this merger were to happen, I think there would
36 USPIT10L: I think CLT could be an excellent reliever for ATL, especially for weather delays. The only problem with bad weather days is if they happen spontaneo
37 FCYTravis: Actually, how about yes? Doug Parker has stated in no uncertain terms that a disproportionate amount of the capacity reduction will come from the 50-
38 Mariner: I don't understand what Delta is trying to achieve with Comair. They paid a lot of money to acquire the airline - $1.8 billion? - and presumably they
39 FutureFO: OH is in the BK filing as well. That is why DL would be more than happy to get rid of them. They are one of the costliest operations out there. If any
40 Jacobin777: Though Boeing is an unsecured creditor with DL, they are one of the majour players on DL's creditor board...thus for this takeover to go through, it w
41 Gigneil: The unsecured creditors are the ones that will decide everything... NS
42 BoeingFever777: How bout this... They are NOT merging and US is going to have to cancel A350 order due to 2015 EIS and they need a/c for expansion NOW! DL will emerg
43 Surfdog75: quote=Dacman,reply=30]WOW!!! There sure will be alot of surplus aircraft flooding the market over the next few years if this meger (hostile) takeover
44 Jacobin777: They come after the secured creditor..its the shareholders who get screwed... The secured creditors and judge's decision comes first....
45 Mariner: Well, sure. As a wholly owned subsidairy of Delta (and reliant on Delta for all its income), there wasn't a lot of choice. But that doesn't explain:
46 FCYTravis: I can't see anyone wanting to buy Comair. Lots of labor troubles, entirely dependent on a single legacy carrier for all its business and huge investme
47 Mariner: Could not the same have been said of Atlantic Southeast (minus the labor troubles, perhaps)? Given the costs are, hopefully, being fixed, Comair does
48 Coa747: Since we are talking merger I thought it would be constructive to look at the respective long haul fleets. US Airways- A330-200 0 (10 on order) A330-3
49 Jacobin777: Also, A330's are hot items...defintely more than 767's......it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for UA to unload them....(all hypothetical of course
50 CRJ900: Are all those 50-seaters owned by the airlines or are they leased from the manufacturers or leasing companies? Will it be overall cheaper to just par
51 Surfdog75: Why would Boeing sacrifice a 100% Boeing customer for one that would definitely have to keep an Airbus narrowbody fleet. DL is not too far away from r
52 N328KF: US Airways (nee America West) has a decent relationship with Boeing. It's the old US Airways that wasn't on the best terms. Furthermore, it was a pri
53 Gigneil: In this particular case, the unsecured creditors are the ones that are holding the ball. NS
54 Jacobin777: Yah..that's what I found out after reading more information regarding the "takeover" this weekend....should have corrected myself... Good call..