WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13266 times:
Quoting N1786b (Thread starter): FI is reporting that PAL has selected the 777-300ER over the A340-600.
2 from Boeing and 2 from GECas - for delivery starting in 09. They also state the Boeing deal is done and they are finalizing the GECAS deal.
Well again excellent news for both Boeing and PAL. Under all the circumstances the right aircraft was chosen.
I'm surprised to see that only two will be bought, while four are being leased. I suspect that PAL are still tight on cash and a great part of the deposits held with the B744 contributed to the success of this order.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12782 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12809 times:
Quoting Johnny (Reply 8): So another airline which switches from the B747 to the B777-300ER...
Or, to put it another way, an existing A340-300 customer which DIDN'T choose the A340-600. I had PAL pegged as a likely A346 customer on the basis that if they couldn't win PR, they might as well take the A340 into a surgery and put it quietly to sleep.
2wingtips From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12734 times:
Makes you wonder what Virgin blue will select for their Trans-Pacific services, if they can't get 777s before 2009/10. Could they be forced into a 346 purchase/lease, or will they delay until they can get 777s.
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12724 times:
Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 13): Makes you wonder what Virgin blue will select for their Trans-Pacific services, if they can't get 777s before 2009/10. Could they be forced into a 346 purchase/lease, or will they delay until they can get 777s.
Or leasing some of the 346's that EK has placed with someone else......
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31991 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 12141 times:
Quoting Centrair (Reply 5): Maybe this is part of the 15 777 orders talked about in Seattle PI...
I asked the same thing in the other PAL A346/77E3 thread and was informed this was not the case. So if they are leased from GECAS, GECAS will evidently be placing another order per that source.
Quoting Johnny (Reply 8): So another airline which switches from the B747 to the B777-300ER...
Yup. The 773ER is really making hay while the sun shines, taking orders that before would have had to go to the 748 and A388 and successfully ducking the future threat of the A350SWB-1000.
Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 13): Makes you wonder what Virgin blue will select for their Trans-Pacific services, if they can't get 777s before 2009/10.
Boeing is probably working hard with their suppliers - who are the current bottleneck - to increase production to meet demand. DJ probably wants the 773ER, so I expect Boeing will work to get it to them.
FI is pretty highly regarded by many here, so I am going to hazard a guess they're not going to be taking local and a-net comments as "gospel truth" and report it without some solid fact-checking with sources at PAL.
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11520 times:
Congrats to Boeing and PAL. The 773ER is a very efficient a/c and PAL will love it due to its high range and capacity. I wonder if Boeing and other 777 operators ever considered this slogan: 2 engines 2 be efficent. It seems to fit PAL.
Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
: When 2 choices are available, the most modern usually wins. Have you recently seen carriers ordering 767s instead of 332s for example? 2 useless A-ba
: Great news for PAL and for Beoing. I'm Curious whether the options will be used and if so when. What do you guys think? Just could not afford to order
: As PR is not in the strongest financial health at the moment, sending their four 744 deposits to two 773ERs probably covered a good chunk of the cost
: Yes, LAN and NH. Austrian will be getting rid of their A330's while keeping their 767 and 777's. MCOflyer
: Actually, to be fair, I believe they were in response to what could be considered a flippant, B-bashing comment.... regarding the 747-8....
: Thanks for your thoughts Stitch! Still 4 planes especially 773s are nothing to sneeze at, Ciao
: The Boeing 777, what a surprizzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
: The A346 probably would have been the easier choice for PR to make, to be honest, but it appears that the ability to get the 773ER quicker and the ab
: Mabuhay! Awesome news for PR and Boeing. Congratulations. I am curious to know, with PR's potentially new routes, would any of those new sectors be to
: If they will return to NYC, it would probably be an extension to the YVR route. As of late there has been lots of talk that PR will open a route to S
: That sounds defensive. They aren't useless - A346 shares a type rating with the A343's in PAL's fleet, the 773ER does not, likewise mx would be simil
: Well said. It'll be nice to see PAL enter the 777 family. The livery will look great on the long-bodied ERs. Hopefully these a/c will start a great n
: As I see it, Boeing was the logical choice, - as the had the B744 on order. But what surprises me, and also worries me a little, is that even a 744 o
: Unfortunately, I don't think so. If anything, I would think that the new 77Ws would be used on the flights to YVR and LAS as well as the additional A
: PR probably feels the 747 is too large, which is why they never consumated their last 744 order.
: Well right, - but as I read the article, the 773 are going to replace their old 744's...
: A 773W to SAN? Now that that would be a sight to see..!!
: indeed! That would be awesome. Thanks for the article and your opinion. Living in New York City, it would be wonderful to see PR colors in JFK or EWR
: Maybe they aren't completely filling them and they could stand to have a slightly smaller and more efficient airplane? I dunno.
: What often gets lost in these A346 vs. 773ER comparisons is the A346 with new engines and different systems a very different plane then the A343. The
: If the new aircraft aren't to be delivered until 2009, how does this affect PAL's expansion plans? In some press articles recently, PAL indicated that
: Only two will be leased and the last two are options with Boeing. This is not a part of that order. Or it may be the other way around. As mentioned i
: The 777 in general this year. I knew the 345/346 were falling out of favor quickly for their inefficiency, but even I'm surprised at the amount of 77
: The comment on taking a 77W instead of 748I is not bashing in anyway whatsoever the 748I. It is simply pointing out a real trend based on the outstan
: Though it would be cool to see B77W's in YVR, LAS and hopefully SAN, I doubt that will happen. PR will stick to the A343 on those routes. The B77W's
: aren't those 744s from the US west coast routinely packed?? I recall during the various spats between Manila and Taipei over bilateral air services a
: I'd be great if PR took the opportunity to update their livery at the same time. The tail is great, the fuselage and non-descript "Philippines" is cer
: I notice that when the Philippines President Gloria Arroyo is traveling long distance on business she uses a PAL A340-300, not a 747-400. F-OHPM to be
: I very much agree with RoyalAtlantis reply 51. They could certainly design a much nicer livery to relfect the friendliness and happiness of the people
: In the past, I've heard that YVR - MNL was packed causing difficulties selling LAS-YVR-MNL. Also, are there any bilateral limits between Canada and t
: But if the 744 is too small, then is not the 773ER even more so? And why not order 748I's? I am sure Boeing would have cut PR a deal to move their fo
: Well this is a good question. My opinion only (And I would apologize up front for those who might get offended) is that the A380 is far more superior
: I agree with you 100%.... The more logical choice would have being the A346, but as you said and from the article plus what has being said in related
: This route is doing quiet well for PR. But again because of lack of aircraft its not able to offer daily service. PR flies MNL-YVR-LAS 4x weekly Tues
: What I'd like is a direct 773ER MNL-SAN at least once or twice weekly if loads would be sufficient to make it viable. That will save folks the trip u
: Thank you sir for pointing that out, I just noticed that right now. errrr Sorry Drew
: I remember flying the A300B4 on the MNL-HKG route--it was actually a pretty nice flight with pretty good food, too. But I am a bit surprised at PR ge
: No offence taken. Logic suggests that the 380 is a superior A/C to the 747-8, being a clean sheet design. However, superior as some of the technology
: Quite restricted...in fact BA had to end its SAN route because of that... The 787 one the other hand will be a great plane to operate out of SAN..
: I definitely agree, but it's most likely to be an A343. Once again, I agree, but I'm sure I speak for the SAN people on here when I say we're not pic
: In that case, perhaps PR should consider that option if there proves to be a strong business case for it.
: No, 2 are being bought directly, while a further 2 options will be taken. 2 more will be leased from GECAS. The question is whether these final 2 are
: No problems with both.. The 77W on the majour trunk routes such as SFO/LAX and the 787 on secondary routes such as ORD/SAN...fine with me....