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Attack On El Al Plane Foiled In FRA  
User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2907 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11686 times:

Quote:
German authorities are investigating a number of people in connection with what they suspect was a foiled plot to smuggle a bomb onto a passenger plane, the Federal Prosecutor's Office said on Monday.

German security sources said on condition of anonymity that the plane would have been at Frankfurt International Airport, one of the world's busiest. German newspaper Die Welt cited security sources as saying the target was a plane of Israel's El Al airline.

An El Al spokeswoman in Israel said the company does not respond to reports about security matters.

Prosecutors in Karlsruhe said they were investigating six suspects whom they had identified and a number of unidentified suspects. None of the names have been made public.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3330547,00.html


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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11633 times:

I hope the Police continues working as good as they are...

User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11633 times:

Did they even make it to the airport?

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13148 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11599 times:

While FRA is not a perfect security airport, (no airport is) I would suspect that they do have higher than average security from my experiences as recent as of 2000. I would also suspect the additional security of El Al would have caught them if the FRA security didn't. Let us be glad that a potential threat was nailed by good police work.

User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3116 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11537 times:

I hopes this shuts up all those a.nutters who keep complaining about the security "hype" every time such topics are posted on this forum.....

User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11212 times:

Quoting N353SK (Reply 2):
Did they even make it to the airport?

According to german news-sites they have been arrested in a very early stage of their plans, so no, they didn't make it to the airport. I think there is not even a completed bomb yet.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
While FRA is not a perfect security airport, (no airport is) I would suspect that they do have higher than average security from my experiences as recent as of 2000. I would also suspect the additional security of El Al would have caught them if the FRA security didn't.

authorities have not given very much about how the plot exactly looked like to the press. Only thing that is known is that they approached some guy working at FRA ground staff to smuggle a bomb into a plane (not even that it would have been El Al is confirmed, by the way). So your assumption may or may not be correct.

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 4):
I hopes this shuts up all those a.nutters who keep complaining about the security "hype" every time such topics are posted on this forum.....

eh... why should it? Again a plot was killed by good intelligence work rather than by confiscating nail scissors or bottles of water....

EDIT: here are some links for those of you who speak German:
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/0,1518,449593,00.html
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/,tt2l1/deutschland/artikel/249/92157/

I'll try to post a comprehension in English later... don't have that much time right now...

[Edited 2006-11-20 20:43:37]


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User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11186 times:

El Al's security is so good that I wonder if those terrorists really waste their time plotting to shut down one of its planes. Their record speaks by itself...

Kudos to the German police!


User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9557 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11110 times:

first of all -proves that good intelligence is much better than taking nail scissors away from old ladies.

next - since January this year, access to the airside is only possoible after thorough checks. I doubt that anyone with a red ID can get a suitcase through this security check without having a proper explanation. Most likely the plot would foil here already.

However, if a loader working on an El Al (or any other aircraft) would make it airside with a baggage piece it is likely that the other seacurity measures - no luggage loaded without passenger boarded - would probably fail.

Therefore - background checks and the lifting of passes (like it was done in Paris recently for 72 muslim workers) if in doubt, together with survaillance and intelkligence, is the right way to prevent terror attacks.



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User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2807 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10831 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
El Al's security is so good that I wonder if those terrorists really waste their time plotting to shut down one of its planes. Their record speaks by itself...

I would not be that convinced about the effectiveness of El Al's security system. And the danger of the dozens of airport workers around each parked airplane is of course one of the most serious. Not everyone is able to work unattended for an El Al plane, but in the meantime there is not a security agent near each airport worker all the time. Such a plot is a serious danger (among many others btw).



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10787 times:

This is what I have seen/heard/read in the news:

Some dudes planned to bomb down an El Al flight - originating from FRA - with a bomb hidden in a suitcase, and they wanted to bring it onboard with bribing an airport employee.  rotfl 

I simply can't believe how retarded some people are (fortunately they were that retarded!). No wonder that the police caught them in such an early stage of the planning.

Patrick


User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2807 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10755 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 9):
Some dudes planned to bomb down an El Al flight - originating from FRA - with a bomb hidden in a suitcase, and they wanted to bring it onboard with bribing an airport employee.

I simply can't believe how retarded some people are (fortunately they were that retarded!). No wonder that the police caught them in such an early stage of the planning.

there's really nothing amusing about this story. And just keep in mind: the most stupid, the craziest and the most unthinkable is sometimes the most "efficient"....



I bitterly miss the livery that should never have been changed (repetition...)
User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1565 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10711 times:

Any news on what sort of bomb it would have been?

Well done to the German police...



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10699 times:

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 10):
there's really nothing amusing about this story.

You are right. I just found it funny that some idiots thought that they can bomb an El Al plane via such a way.

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 10):
And just keep in mind: the most stupid, the craziest and the most unthinkable is sometimes the most "efficient"....

Yes, but - come on - what these guys tried was simply too stupid!

Patrick

PS: I'll fly on LY in January next year, and I am looking forward to it!


User currently offlineAirFranceJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10688 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 7):
However, if a loader working on an El Al (or any other aircraft) would make it airside with a baggage piece it is likely that the other seacurity measures - no luggage loaded without passenger boarded - would probably fail.

Don't know if this would work. At JFK, El Al screen all of it's employees before they get to the aircraft. If you watch any El Al arrival, you will see their security agents hand wanding all loading, catering, fueling etc. employees before they get near the aircraft.

In addition, I understand that evertime the employee leaves the aircraft and return, they are subject to rescreening.


User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10689 times:

First well done German police (die polizei dein freund & helfer) which means something like "the police your friend & helper"

However I think especially Germany learned and did a lot since the 70's terror crap happen in Munich, job well done....

Cheers,


User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2807 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10628 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 12):
Yes, but - come on - what these guys tried was simply too stupid!

I hope so, but I don't know; and sadly, terrorists are rarely that stupid these days....

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 12):
PS: I'll fly on LY in January next year, and I am looking forward to it!

Great, and that means you're going to visit Israel....! Make sure to stay a few days in TLV...really a great city, I just love it.



I bitterly miss the livery that should never have been changed (repetition...)
User currently offline7474ever From Israel, joined Oct 2006, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9895 times:

From "HaAretz", one of Israel's leading newspapers :


Germany nabs group planning to attack El Al flight

By Assaf Uni and Zohar Blumenkrantz

BERLIN - German police arrested six Muslims over the weekend on suspicion of planning to blow up an El Al aircraft upon take-off from a Frankfurt airport, German security officials told the German paper Die Welt.

The six allegedly contacted an airport worker last summer whom they planned to bribe to bring an explosive charge disguised as a suitcase on the flight. The German prosecution announced the arrest yesterday, but refused to reveal the details of the plan.

The prosecution said the plan was foiled after the six were unable to agree on the amount of money to pay the worker.

El Al Israel Airlines said it knew nothing of the plot except what had been published in the German press. El Al's Frankfurt office said it did not wish to comment on security matters. However, a source said El Al had not been involved in thwarting the plot at the Frankfurt airport, during either security checks or passenger check-in.

The police said the group was working for an undisclosed terrorist organization. Five of the suspects were released yesterday after 24 hours in lockup.


User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2331 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9810 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
El Al's security is so good that I wonder if those terrorists really waste their time plotting to shut down one of its planes. Their record speaks by itself...

Yes, but one day they might succeed.

I am acquainted with one El Al security worker, and my source tells me, that FRA is mostly being uncooperative. At times German police have been asked to remove a person whom El Al deemed suspicious, and the police refused.

Quote:
Several of the suspects had approached someone during the summer who had access to the security department at a German airport and who had expressed willingness to smuggle a suitcase or bag onto a plane for payment, a statement said.

The suspects repeatedly made contact with the person but were unable to agree on a price for planting a bomb, it said. Die Welt said the person was a male employee of Frankfurt airport.

That is not funny at all, in fact it is very serious, and FRA should really start to evaluate their personnel... My source tells me this as well.

Boaz.

[Edited 2006-11-21 10:58:56]

[Edited 2006-11-21 11:02:14]


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User currently offlinePeh From Australia, joined Nov 2006, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9753 times:

Quoting Ual777 (Reply 16):
The offenders weren't (gasp).....muslim were they?

This is utterly offensive! Like most members of civilised society, I'd rather see militants (Islamic or otherwise) behind bars than beside me on a plane. Painting an entire religion as prone to terror just paints you as an idiot.



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User currently offline7474ever From Israel, joined Oct 2006, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9735 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 7):
However, if a loader working on an El Al (or any other aircraft) would make it airside with a baggage piece it is likely that the other seacurity measures - no luggage loaded without passenger boarded - would probably fail.

It doesn't have to be a piece of luggage. It can be the bomb itself smuggeled into one of the suitcases. In this case "other security measures" you mentioned worth nothing.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 9):
Some dudes planned to bomb down an El Al flight - originating from FRA - with a bomb hidden in a suitcase, and they wanted to bring it onboard with bribing an airport employee.

I simply can't believe how retarded some people are (fortunately they were that retarded!). No wonder that the police caught them in such an early stage of the planning.

I really don't think these guys are stupid. As a matter of fact, LY takes these threats VERY SERIOUSLY.


User currently offlineBobski From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 83 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9383 times:

Quoting Peh (Reply 19):
This is utterly offensive! Like most members of civilised society, I'd rather see militants (Islamic or otherwise) behind bars than beside me on a plane. Painting an entire religion as prone to terror just paints you as an idiot

I don't understand why these people are called 'militants'. They're not 'militants', they are terrorists.

I agree that it is wrong to paint an entire religion as terrorists, but I can understand why some people feel that way. Every major international terrorist attack of the last 20-odd years has been perpetrated by Islamic terrorists. Whenever someone calls on the Islamic world/community to do something, they shuffle their feet and do nothing. When moderate peaceful Muslims do nothing to differentiate themselves from terrorists except complain that they are being victimised and profiled by anti-terror legislation then of course people are going to distrust Muslims.



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User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9304 times:

Quoting Peh (Reply 19):
Quoting Ual777 (Reply 16):
The offenders weren't (gasp).....muslim were they?

This is utterly offensive! Like most members of civilised society, I'd rather see militants (Islamic or otherwise) behind bars than beside me on a plane. Painting an entire religion as prone to terror just paints you as an idiot.

Exactly, i also find it offencive for someone to think that only Muslims can hate Israel

 mischievous 


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5700 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9264 times:

Quoting Bobski (Reply 21):
Every major international terrorist attack of the last 20-odd years has been perpetrated by Islamic terrorists. Whenever someone calls on the Islamic world/community to do something, they shuffle their feet and do nothing. When moderate peaceful Muslims do nothing to differentiate themselves from terrorists except complain that they are being victimised and profiled by anti-terror legislation then of course people are going to distrust Muslims.

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User currently offlineAeroplan73 From Canada, joined May 2006, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9213 times:

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Thread starter):
Again a plot was killed by good intelligence work rather than by confiscating nail scissors or bottles of water....

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User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9166 times:

Quoting Bobski (Reply 21):
Every major international terrorist attack of the last 20-odd years has been perpetrated by Islamic terrorists.

Missed the Brighton bomb by 2 years, lucky quote.

Quoting Bobski (Reply 21):
When moderate peaceful Muslims do nothing to differentiate themselves from terrorists

Why should the billion other peaceful Muslims have to prove themselves to ignorant Westerners? do you proactively differentiate yourself from the BNP, KKK or Neo Nazi's? When you meet a black guy in the street is the first thing you say, hey there how are you by the way not a member of the KKK here!  Wink What would you like them to do? Terrorists would just as soon kill peaceful Muslims as not being true believers or some other crap. Muslims are not a country, are not a government, how would you like them to stop the terrorists? how would you like it if your faith was hijacked by a bunch of psycho's, and knowing the aforementioned psycho's would kill you soon as blink if you badmouth their cause.

Quoting Bobski (Reply 21):
then of course people are going to distrust Muslims.

You missed out a word in that sentance

then of course ignorant people are going to distrust Muslims.

There you go  Smile


25 Peh : Hmm, Timothy McVeigh. Yeah, we'll keep bringing it up. Every person is capable of terrible acts. WESTERNA318, you're (a big) part of the problem. The
26 Windshear : Clearly Bobski's point is still valid. Boaz.
27 AirNZ : I certainly see your point yes, but I can also see where he's (and other's) coming from. I am not racist in any way, nor am I ignorant of it, but my
28 Post contains images Gary2880 : So clearly wrong yet it's still valid. Well argued. Clearly you will use any oppertunity to have a pop at Muslims.
29 Post contains images Windshear : ok?! Sour looser Boaz.
30 Post contains images Gary2880 : After our time apart I'm glad to see your strength of argument is still on top form, Windfart
31 Post contains images Windshear : but Gary, you are the one resorting to name-calling Boaz.
32 Post contains images Gary2880 : Oh, sorry about that i accidentally mistyped your name, a thousand apologies
33 Curmudgeon : It is subjective. I wasn't offended. You would rather see militants behind bars for what? being militant? Having an opinion? A belief system? Further
34 Bobski : Gary2880: The Brighton bomb was domestic terrorism, I was talking about major international terrorism. Lockerbie, Beslan, 9/11, July 7th, Madrid, Bali
35 Gary2880 : i see so you were talking about international terrorism. terrorism that comes from abroad. yes i can see how foreigners would make up a larger majori
36 Starlionblue : First of all, great job there. As for the hype, I think that the threat is real. However, the "hype" (yes it exists) has unfortunately led to ineffec
37 GeorgiaAME : Within the past month, some idiot posed the question on this BB, asking why El Al needed the security they impose on all their flights. Naturally, the
38 F22KA : Right, terrorists! Who believes in terrorists and tooth fairy? There is no such thing... It is just a fabrication of Mossad and CIA so that they can c
39 CO7e7 : I agree... not airport is has %100 perfect security... however, TLV is by far the closest to perfect i have seen and experienced. -Zaki
40 Stratofish : First of all, we all shall use the word ALLEDGEDLY!!! So far we have not been presented proof, have we? Anyone working airside at ANY German airport h
41 RJpieces : Of course, you don't have to be Muslim to be a raging anti-Semite...
42 Post contains images Gary2880 : Precisely. Although raging Communist would probably be more accurate. just for accuracy and balance. Muslims and Christians are hardly free from my co
43 F22KA : Gary2880, do not tell me you are a commie!
44 Post contains images Gary2880 : Okay i won't tell you.
45 F22KA : You must be ... kidding me!!! You know, I have a special place in my hearth for you guys. I lived under commies for 20+ years, lost my grand parents i
46 F22KA : Dude it's like me bragging that I am a nazi, which I am not.
47 Post contains images Sabena332 : Unfortunately I won't be there as a tourist, a friend and me accompany a (female ) volleyball team which is playing a tournament there. We'll organiz
48 Gary2880 : I have send you an instant message on the subject. Hopfully it will explain things. Please feel free to get back to me via pm or email.
49 Bobski : I have NEVER said anything remotely like this. To blame the current climate for Muslim terrorism is stupidly short-sighted. Most Islamic terrorist at
50 YULWinterSkies : They become terrorists only when they blow a bomb. Or if they are arrested while doing a bomb-related activity. Talking at a bar like you say or pray
51 Gary2880 : Apparently you have taken my posts personally. That is a shame when i thought we were merely debating, at no point did i mean to suggest you represent
52 Imiakhtar : Amen to that! Semite refers to several groups of people including Arabs and Jews what do you expect the muslim community to do? Report their children
53 Post contains images Gary2880 : i did not know that thank you. it should also be mentioned that i did not say that originally. not sure where you got it from because none of that is
54 Imiakhtar : Sorry, i have only just realised that i have been quoting the wrong people. lets give it another go... what do you expect the muslim community to do?
55 Post contains images Gary2880 : i believe that one was mine
56 PlaneHunter : And what exactly did these persons do? If they simply didn't like a spotter with binoculars and wanted him to be removed then the officers' reaction
57 Post contains links and images Windshear : Of course it wasn't a spotter Yes Semites are both Arabs and Jews, but Anti-Semitism refers solely to Anti-Jewish sentiments. Talk about being ignora
58 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Says LY? They have a history (particularly in the US) of sending spotters away due to "security concerns"...and if they don't succeed, they call the
59 Imiakhtar : Thanks for the clarification!
60 Bobski : I believe I explained this. I do not mean report people who have beards, that's just ridiculous. I'm talking about standing up to and exposing Imams
61 Post contains links Haggis79 : some news on that one... German media report the whole plot was virtually non-existent and the federal prosecutor's office had "hyped" and "exaggerate
62 PanHAM : even if it was a hoax, as we all know, just saying "bomb" while waiting in the security line, gets you handcuffed and if you explain afterwards that y
63 Haggis79 : I agree with you wholehartedly on that one.... but I think the critics don't address this question but merely if the Generalbundesanwaltschaft hasn't
64 PanHAM : The press has exaggerated it. The Federal Prosecutor has said from the beginning that this was in a "very early stage". They have done their job very
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