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ATA Airlines Adding New Service To Hawaii  
User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9733 times:

ATA Airlines Adding New Service To Kona, Lihue & Maui

INDIANAPOLIS, Indiana. November 20, 2006 – ATA Airlines announced today it would begin
new service between Oakland International Airport and the Hawaiian cities of Kona and Lihue,
and between Las Vegas and Maui, in June 2007. With this schedule, ATA will serve more
Hawaiian destinations non-stop from the Mainland than any other airline.
SERVICE BEGINS:
Effective June 14, 2007:
Q Three flights per week between Oakland International and Kona.
Effective June 15, 2007:
Q Four flights per week between Oakland and Lihue, Kauai.
Q Daily service between Las Vegas and Maui.
Q Frequency between Oakland and Honolulu increases.
ATA remains the only airline serving Hilo from the Mainland. “This is especially good news for
visitors who want to explore all of the Big Island,” said Stacy Higa, Chair Person – Hawaii
County Council. “Hilo and Kona airport options will save visitors time and money, while giving
them the opportunity to see all the Big Island has to offer.” Harry Kim, Hawaii County Mayor,
added, “Being able to fly directly into and out of Hilo has been warmly appreciated by many,
many people since ATA’s service began in April. The expansion of ATA to Kona will provide
residents and visitors with another option for convenient arrivals and departures.”
“ATA passengers will love Kauai,” according to Kauai County Mayor Bryan Baptiste. “We are
pleased ATA chose The Garden Island as part of its new service plans. We anticipate the new
route will be a popular destination for those visitors seeking relaxation, while also enjoying a
variety of activities as they explore our beautiful island.”
Entering its 33rd year of operations, ATA offers affordable travel from destinations like Guadalajara, Cancun, Hawaii,
Oakland, Chicago, New York, Dallas/Ft. Worth and Washington, DC. Through connecting Southwest Airlines codeshare
flights, ATA now serves customers in more than 60 markets. ATA provides features travelers have come to expect,
including advanced seat assignments , self-service kiosks, Web check-in, and a frequent flyer program with one of the
lowest thresholds for earning travel in the industry. ATA Travel Awards members have the option when booking their
flights on ata.com or at 1-800-I-FLY-ATA of earning either ATA Travel Awards points or Southwest Airlines Rapid
Rewards credits. For more information, visit ata.com.
# # #

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User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9706 times:

Okay.. so when is ATA going to start doing some Caribbean and/or Canadian service for WN...

There are plenty of east coast locations they could work from:

FLL, BNA, BWI, ISP, RDU, JAX, MSY, CMH, PIT, PVD..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9647 times:

Its interesting that ATA has found a niche in crowded and competitive California-Hawaii market.....and continues to add service on existing and new routes. The Hilo service was a surprise success, Hilo has been ignored by the airlines for years.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9570 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
Okay.. so when is ATA going to start doing some Caribbean and/or Canadian service for WN...

They aren't.



a.
User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9558 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
Okay.. so when is ATA going to start doing some Caribbean and/or Canadian service for WN...

Perhaps in 2009 when WN will be ready to handle international reservations in their system. There are already discussions on international codeshare, but to where has yet to be seen. Remember that ATA has an exclusive right to perform this type of flying on WNs behalf during the 7 year codeshare deal.



35 years of American Trans Air/ATA Airlines, 1973-2008. A great little airline that will not be soon forgotten.
User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9458 times:

And the day Southwest pulls its codeshare agreement with ATA...BAM. They're toast...at least their scheduled flights. Charters will probably continue, but that will be all.

And it's going to happen. Southwest is not in business to make another business viable. They will start flying Hawaii markets with their own 737's sometime soon.

It's just a matter of time.



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User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9409 times:

Are they using B737-800's or B757-200's ?

chuck


User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9368 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 5):
And the day Southwest pulls its codeshare agreement with ATA...BAM. They're toast...at least their scheduled flights. Charters will probably continue, but that will be all.

Well if the codeshare is set to last 7 years, the market will surely be a very different place by then.


User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9160 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 5):
And it's going to happen. Southwest is not in business to make another business viable. They will start flying Hawaii markets with their own 737's sometime soon.

It's just a matter of time.

It is not within WN's business model. They would have to start an ETOPs program which would add expense that they don't want. There are plenty of places that they will grow in the mainland 48 before even thinking about something that would require ETOPs.



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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8991 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 5):
And the day Southwest pulls its codeshare agreement with ATA...BAM. They're toast...at least their scheduled flights. Charters will probably continue, but that will be all.

And it's going to happen. Southwest is not in business to make another business viable. They will start flying Hawaii markets with their own 737's sometime soon.

It's just a matter of time.

Yes, ATA management is well aware of not being too tied to WN, but 7 years is an eternity in this industry. If you can predict what is going to happen by then, good luck.

Also, the WN codeshare is not solely making our scheduled service work. There is absolutely no doubt it helps, but it is successful with or without the codeshare. We both benefit with added revenue and WN avoids the added costs and complexity of flying the routes themselves.

By the way, can a 737-700 do LAS/PHX-Hawaii? How about over the atlantic without a 757-200? I believe those routes would be handled better with a 757.



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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8985 times:

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 6):
Are they using B737-800's or B757-200's ?

Both



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User currently offlineTbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8962 times:

As for the 737 NG a/c, Privat Air already operates Business services from Germany to the US on behalf of LH. And AQ has the a/c from the West Coast. A 757 would have more uplift, but what price comfort? Money isn't everything.

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5191 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 8960 times:

Quoting Tbear815 (Reply 11):
As for the 737 NG a/c

Its a BBJ though--a little different ballgame for a 137ish seat 73G in terms of economics.



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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 8951 times:

Quoting Tbear815 (Reply 11):
As for the 737 NG a/c, Privat Air already operates Business services from Germany to the US on behalf of LH. And AQ has the a/c from the West Coast. A 757 would have more uplift, but what price comfort? Money isn't everything.

You are correct about PrivatAir, but those are BBJs with extra tanks in the cargo hold and the heavier wing of the -800 with much lower payloads than 137 pax with full baggage on a straight -700. BBJs are NOT the same as -700s and one would not want to give up cargo space on flights to the islands.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 8951 times:

Quoting ATA767 (Thread starter):
With this schedule, ATA will serve more
Hawaiian destinations non-stop from the Mainland than any other airline.

I think UA would have something to say about that. UA has the most service toall the islands in Hawai'i. Ni'hau does not have airline service.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 8946 times:
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Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 6):
Are they using B737-800's or B757-200's ?

I don't know how reliable ATA's website is in terms of schedules, but I checked June 21st and the OGG-OAK-OGG roundtrip is a 753. I've seen the 753 used on the Hawaii trips, but not on a regular basis.


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 8907 times:

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 4):
Remember that ATA has an exclusive right to perform this type of flying on WNs behalf during the 7 year codeshare deal.

As Johnny Carson used to say, "I did not know that." Dunno how I missed that fact.

Of course, WN could do the flying itself, if it really wanted to. I'm also intrigued that vaunted WN would actually find it so incredibly difficult to get their res system modified to do international reservations. I would have thought that Accenture or someone else would have promised them to be able to do it faster (but maybe that's the point, consultants always promise the world).

I'm delighted to see that the Hilo service has worked out so well. Of course, ATA has a long and distinguished reputation in Hawaii, which may have helped with local traffic as well.

Looks like the new owners have a good idea of what to do and how to do it.


User currently offlineTbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 8902 times:

Thank you for clarifying the difference with the BBJ. I had forgotten about that variant. IIRC, that is one hot aircraft.

User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3659 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8829 times:
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Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 14):
Quoting ATA767 (Thread starter):
With this schedule, ATA will serve more
Hawaiian destinations non-stop from the Mainland than any other airline.

I think UA would have something to say about that. UA has the most service toall the islands in Hawai'i. Ni'hau does not have airline service.

It is true that UA has the most total flights between the mainland and Hawaii, but that is not what ATA is claiming. ATA is saying they will fly non-stop to the most destinations in Hawaii, which is true. ATA will have non-stop flights 5 Hawaii airports. The 5 are HNL, LIH, OGG, KOA, and ITO. UA only has non-stop flights to 4 Hawaii airports - HNL, LIH, OGG, and KOA.


User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8506 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 15):
I've seen the 753 used on the Hawaii trips, but not on a regular basis.

The 753 was commonly used on Hawaii before bankrupcy, not least from SEA, where I worked at the time.

Now that there's only four left, I'm a little surprised to see them returning to the islands, but it looks as it may only be for the peak summer travel.



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User currently offlineEasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8235 times:

I continue to hear from industry insiders that ATA will pick up ex-NWA DC10s, despite the fact that ATA has not confirmed this.

Is there any chance the DC10 will be used on the Hawaii runs?



"The only people for me are the mad ones...." Jack Kerouac
User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7856 times:

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 20):
I continue to hear from industry insiders that ATA will pick up ex-NWA DC10s, despite the fact that ATA has not confirmed this.

Is there any chance the DC10 will be used on the Hawaii runs?

It IS confirmed that we are acquiring 9 ex-NWA DC-10s with 7 to be operated. Just because there was no public press release does not mean it has not occurred. No, they are not anticipated to be used on scheduled service runs.



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User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7658 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 16):
I'm also intrigued that vaunted WN would actually find it so incredibly difficult to get their res system modified to do international reservations

I agree, even though lots of changes would have to be made: accepting (and converting) foreign currency, possibly handling new time zones, allowing foreign-formatted addresses and phone numbers (may already do that?), increased block times, possibly new codes for why a flight is delayed, foreign taxes, possibly additional security issues (not sure which the airlines "care about" and which are just the TSA's care).
What confuses me is, why don't they codeshare to SJU yet? I was under the impression that it was going to be announced quite a while ago, as kind of a testbed for int'l since it's quasi-int'l, but the announcement never came, and TZ pulled out of SJU (although they could always go back in).


User currently offlineEasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7649 times:

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 21):

Thanks for the info. I knew they had made the arrangements to acquire them, but was unsure of the intended use.

Do you know how they will be utilized in the fleet?

Thanks



"The only people for me are the mad ones...." Jack Kerouac
User currently offlineATAIndy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 610 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7520 times:

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 23):
Do you know how they will be utilized in the fleet?

The DC-10's will be used for military charters replacing the L1011's.

-Feister



Boiler up! - Next flights: IND-DFW-AUS, AUS-DFW-IND
25 UA2162 : All right! New service for KOA. This route is in direct competition with AQ. AQ flies this four times a week. Will TZ fly on the other three days? Man
26 RL757PVD : I like the idea of WN using ATA to bridge the atlantic between WN and Ryanair BWI-STN/DUB PVD-STN/DUB PHL-STN/DUB
27 MAH4546 : I heard yesterday that they might be taking another stab at MIA, this time from Houston Hobby. Anybody hear more?
28 Post contains images Tiger119 : - These will be used for charters, mainly the U.S. Military (inside sources) - When will they come back to IND?
29 ATA767 : Interesting. That has been a rumored route because like HOU-LGA, it gets people into the airport they actually want to go to without competition by m
30 TZTriStar500 : Oh, you'll see the DC-10s in Indy, but they'll only be flying in and out of here on ferries....no chance of returning to scheduled service here in th
31 TrijetsRMissed : That's too bad, I was hoping ATA would designate a few for scheduled service but knew it was doubtful. I guess the demand for a wide body isn't there
32 TZTriStar500 : Well that does not mean it is completely out of the question for a DC-10 to show up in Hawaii lets say. L-1011s have occassionaly subbed on sched fli
33 Drerx7 : I can't wait to see if and what flights they expand to from Hobby--hopefully we'll get those 757s down here.
34 Post contains images Jmc1975 : ATA just keeps getting more advanced! Going from 738s and 753s to 733s and D10s...wow!
35 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : I believe they are weighing their options between the caravelle and the comet for the next addition to the fleet.
36 ChiGB1973 : Wonder what it's going to mean for furloughs/recalls? M
37 Wjcandee : You mean "getting the right aircraft for the job", don't you? Because that's what they're doing. Silly them for trying to be smart and profitable.
38 Bruce : I'm wondering about this NWA Dc-10 to ATA. Ship #s 1226 1238 1239 1240 1243. 1236 and 1244 were all sold to Omni for parts. The others that got ferrie
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