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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4211 posts, RR: 89
Posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18370 times:
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By Seonjin Cha
Nov. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Korean Air Lines Co., South Korea's biggest carrier, ordered 25 Boeing Co. planes, its largest ever deal, as it seeks to benefit from rising demand for passenger and cargo flights.


Just breaking now via bloomberg 10 x -Fs and 15 x PAX. Listed as followed;

1 x 737-700
4 x 737-900ER
5 x 747-8F
5 x 777-200F
10 x B777-300ER

Plus options for 8 further models. Largest order ever placed by KE with Boeing



http://www.koreanair.com

Regards, PanAm_DC10

[EDIT - For models and Press Release will be on above link shortly]

[Edited 2006-11-21 03:22:18]

[Edited 2006-11-21 03:23:32]


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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18296 times:

I assume that you mean 777 freighters and 15 pax 777's? If so, what variant?

UAL


User currently offlineHalaka From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18249 times:

The latest update from Bloomberg says the following on the order breakdown:

The Boeing passenger plane order comprises 10 777-300ERs, four 737-900ERs and a 737-700. The airline also ordered five 747- 8 freighters and five 777-200 freighters. The carrier has also agreed on options for eight more planes, comprising four 777- 300ERs, two 737-900ERS and two 747-8Fs, it said.

I guess this may be the source of some of last week's UFO 777 orders...


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18229 times:
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Can't find a link anywhere, but I am excited. Korean is a great Boeing customer, and this proves their continued faith in Boeings product.


Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4211 posts, RR: 89
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18072 times:
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...601080&sid=aEMC5Zkxh5Ac&refer=asia

Link as requested,

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineNirvarma From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18012 times:

Great news!! Thanks for sharing (yet again) PanAm_DC10.
Do you happen to know whether some (or any) of these announced orders are already listed on Boeing's orders page?

Much Appreciated  Smile

Regards
NV


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 17942 times:

What leaves the fleet to make room for these?


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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4211 posts, RR: 89
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 17821 times:
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Quoting Nirvarma (Reply 5):
Do you happen to know whether some (or any) of these announced orders are already listed on Boeing's orders page?

It is my understanding that these are all new orders and that none are listed as UFO on Boeings site.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 6):
What leaves the fleet to make room for these?

Not too much as it is mainly for fleet expansion;

Korean Air plans to increase its fleet to 137 planes by 2010 from the current 118, it said in August. The airline's fleet comprises 99 passenger planes and 19 747-400 freighters, as of the end of September, it said on its Web site. Three-quarters of its fleet are Boeing aircraft.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineScaledesigns From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 17739 times:

Wow..Could it be 1000 plus orders for Boeing in 2006??

If LH would hurry and make up its mind it might be.



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User currently offlineUALMMFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 17736 times:

Once the 5 A380 are in service (2010?) and gradual introduction of 787 later this decade, Korea Air will have a very modern fleet.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17710 times:
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So looks like KE will forge ahead with the A388 at the top end, and perhaps start to down-gauge some of their 744 fleet to 773ERs.

User currently offlineTak From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17611 times:

WOW, another great vote of confidence for T7. I wonder if this is somewhat related to the rumored delay in EIS of 350XWB. Also some more 747-8F, but no 474-8I yet....  Smile. Still great news for Boeing and Korean Air, Ciao

User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2975 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17572 times:

Why just a single 737-700? They don't operate any at the moment.
No surprise with 739ERs as they already have the basic 739.

I guess KE didn't pull the trigger on the 748i.
Another carrier that is on the fence whether to go with the 748 or continue with the A388.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17553 times:

Quoting Tak (Reply 11):
WOW, another great vote of confidence for T7. I wonder if this is somewhat related to the rumored delay in EIS of 350XWB. Also some more 747-8F, but no 474-8I yet.... Smile. Still great news for Boeing and Korean Air, Ciao

I'm sure the 777-300ER orders were connected to the A380 delay. I think it also means no 747-8I orders.



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17554 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 12):
Another carrier that is on the fence whether to go with the 748 or continue with the A388.

Nothing to do with the A380, because Boeing can't make up its mind on which 747-8I to go with.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17488 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 12):
Why just a single 737-700? They don't operate any at the moment.
No surprise with 739ERs as they already have the basic 739.

Well, in theory, the 737NG fleet ought to have pretty high commonality, so spares aren't a major issue. Maybe they want to use the 737-700 for some sort of shuttle service...or maybe it's a VIP aircraft? Actually, the oddballs in their 737NG fleet will be the 737-900ERs...they'll be the most different from the other 737s.



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17438 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 13):

I'm sure the 777-300ER orders were connected to the A380 delay. I think it also means no 747-8I orders.

No. ordering the 777-300ER and A380 does not rule out an order for the 747-8i.

777-300ER - 360
747-8i - ~450
A380 - 555

As one can see, neither of the 3 aircraft compete with each other. In fact, they are roughly 100 seats apart. Since they do not compete with each other, they are for different markets, and hence, an airline could very easily have the 747-8, 777-300ER, and A380 in the same fleet.


User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17378 times:

Very interesting. I'd expect to see either a KE cancellation of the A380s or at least a very long wait and see period. They have the time to do so with all of the delays.

The 73G must surely be for govt. flights.


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17348 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 16):
ordering the 777-300ER and A380 does not rule out an order for the 747-8i.

Chances are getting slim for 747-8I at KE.

Korean Air was a serious potential launch customer for 747-8I however when Boeing inclined to go for 467-seater with 8000nm, the turned Korean Air (also Air New Zealand)'s interest off, and both were looking at 77W instead.

[Edited 2006-11-21 04:28:24]

User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17192 times:

Interestingly the last aircraft would be delivered in 2019....

User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5289 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16992 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 6):
What leaves the fleet to make room for these?



Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 18):
Chances are getting slim for 747-8I at KE.

Well...remember that Boeing converted one of Korean's 747-400s into a 747-400BCF at TAECO and redelivered it to Korean in August 2006, and that Korean itself started converting one of its 747-400s into a BCF in August using a Boeing kit and Korean Airlines' Aerospace Division's shop and workers in Pusan, Korea. They have firm-ordered six (6) additional (i.e. total 7) BCF conversion kits for them to do their own conversions of (presumably) their own airplanes, and have options on 13 more kits. Some of those options may be used to convert other airlines' aircraft, but I think that the firm-order kits can be expected to be used to convert Korean's own 747-400s, so you'll see the pax -400 fleet shrink by six more over the next few years, and the cargo fleet to expand, to be supplemented by the 747-8Fs as they come on line.

So some of the new aircraft on order (and maybe "to be ordered") will address passenger fleet issues owing to conversions of the -400s into -400BCFs.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16951 times:

I believe the 737-700 is for govt flights. Congrats to Boeing and KE.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16944 times:

Great news for Boeing, KE, and the 777 program!

This will be KE's first 300ER correct? Wonder when they start taking delivery?

Reuters link:
http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...BOEING-URGENT.XML&rpc=66&type=qcna

[Edited 2006-11-21 05:16:52]


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16813 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 24):
This will be KE's first 300ER correct? Wonder when they start taking delivery?

Yes, it will be their first 773ER. Orders begin in 2009

Orders for the 777 program in 2006 now stand at 71 IIRC...


User currently offlineW3ndytj4n From Indonesia, joined Feb 2006, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17064 times:

Good news for Boeing, and KE. 1000 orders? Can Boeing reach it?


w3ndy



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25 DfwRevolution : It would be a stretch: Boeing needs about 150 additional orders in 6-8 weeks. With the KE order, Boeing now stands at 847 net orders this year. If Bo
26 Post contains images PolymerPlane : China will order 150 B737 Cheers, PP
27 Post contains links and images YVRLTN : Thanks yet again PanAm_DC10 (this is why you are on my RU list). I believe the government currently use a 733 operated by the air force - it is a 3Z8,
28 W3ndytj4n : Are you sure? I don't think China will order that big amount of planes again. Any sources?
29 Kaitak : Yes, that's what I was thinking, YVRLTN; I guess Korean Air will operate the aircraft (albeit in RoKAF/presidential livery) and it will also look afte
30 Post contains links W3ndytj4n : KE is operating 29 Airbus planes: 10 Airbus 300-600 3 Airbus 330-200 16 Airbus 330-300 With 5 Airbus 380 on order Source: Wikipedia w3ndy
31 DfwRevolution : Korean is already a 787 launch customer, which certainly doesn't help the A350. By 2015, Boeing will most likely have the 787-10 in production which
32 707lvr : He's been on this board for seven years, has a respect rating of 11 and has written over 3,000 posts.
33 Post contains images 777ER : Very nice mixture of orders. Way to go Boeing and Korean
34 KC135TopBoom : So, could the B-737-700 ordered actually be a B-737-BBJ?
35 Danny : Exactly, airlines seems to prefer combination of B773 + A380 - watch for LH!
36 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Boeing has confirmed the order with a statement. Also it should be noted that they are all new orders, not UFO. Boeing Statement on Korean Airlines' P
37 Post contains images Scbriml : If you're talking about SQ212, at whom N754PR aimed his comment, then you have your facts completely the wrong way round! In a thread congratulating
38 Sq212 : I'm more worried about the health aspect of John, knowing that he underwent heart bypass just a month ago. I just can't imagine what kind of pressure
39 Cricket : One note, since Boeing has moved so many 777's and 787's this year, with KE's order being the latest - on sheer value terms they must be way ahaed of
40 Post contains images Scbriml : He did even joke that his heart problem was caused by Boeing. The guy may be human after all!
41 WINGS : Congratulations to both Korean Air and Boeing in what has to be considered a major order, for both it's PAX and Cargo division. The B773ER seems to be
42 NA : Good that Korean orders some 748Fs and 777Fs, too bad they didn´t opt for 747 passenger planes. Still waiting.
43 Post contains links and images Leelaw : “...The 777-300ERs will replace the Boeing 747-400 passenger aircraft that KAL is currently converting to freighters while the 747-8 freighters and
44 F22KA : Another Airline chooses smart and as a result some cheerleaders are about to have hearth complications even indigestion. Cheer up dudes! This news is
45 Post contains images Revelation : I hope you don't know from personal experience... I congratulate KE and B on this big deal, and I wish Mr. Leahy the best of health. Also, I don't se
46 Wingman : Hmmm, another generalization about Americans from another stupid Chinese person, how insulting to all the Americans who didn't make the post.
47 NYC777 : Quite a difference. angioplasty is not open heart surgery andi is performed while the patient is awake and alert. Usually the patient goes home the n
48 Post contains images USAF336TFS : Thank you for your enlightened and positive comment about us Yanks   I agree but neither was there a need to make an immature generalization (A fal
49 Stitch : Or they're hedging their bets and assuming traffic is either going to grow very strong (which means they'll need an A388) or not very strong (which m
50 NYC777 : Does anyone know if the KE order a finalized deal that will appear on their order books this week?
51 Alitalia744 : if you look at the image posted above, the 73G is not in KE's colors....
52 SSTsomeday : I have no idea. But the 777 continues to do very well, even with the 787 on the horizon. One wonders when orders for the 777 will start to suffer as
53 NYC777 : I'm starting to think that barring any huge orders from major airlines that perhaps Boeing should just press on with the F and perhaps start thinking
54 TristanHNL : Both your and N754PR's comments are moronic! Pot, kettle, black; did you have to say ANOTHER stupid CHINESE person?? You yourself are insinuating som
55 JAL : Wonderful news indeed!
56 NoWorries : Wasn't the WSJ story that Boeing expected 50 wide-body orders from Europe and Asia -- wonder who's the other taker(s)?
57 Stitch : The 772ER is in the most danger right now, as the 787-9 should slap it silly on CASM while offering a bit less capacity to more nicely fit the most p
58 NYC777 : LH and Philippine Air
59 USAF336TFS : My personal hope is that LH will finally take the next step and announce their orders. I think the LH mother group can afford to wait, but my fear is
60 Post contains images Scaledesigns : I wonder who else will order??.Another great year end for aircraft orders. You think Airbus will come up with 500 A320 orders from Asia on December 31
61 SSTsomeday : Yes, I'm wondering when they might start considering cancelling the passenger variant. I wonder, if behind closed doors, they already are. Yes, I don
62 TeamAmerica : I noticed that too. Looks to be in the ROK VIP livery, confirming the speculation as to its purpose.
63 NoWorries : Please correct me if I'm wrong -- hasn't Boeing said that the 748i is targeted at 744 replacement, and the 744 fleet is relatively young? It may be t
64 N328KF : Uhhh, Wingman was intentionally showing the fully of N754PR's statements. He was not actually making the statements as such.
65 Yellowstone : I find it somewhat ironic that the 747 started out as a cargo design, and now, towards the end of its life, is returning to that point. I hope they se
66 Post contains links Leelaw : ...the airline passed, at least for now, on the passenger version of the new 747-8. Korean Air previously ordered five A380s from Airbus. That plane,
67 Post contains images Stitch : You are not wrong, as there are indeed a large amount of 744s out there that could be replaced with a 748I. So the "jury" or airline customers have t
68 Post contains images SSTsomeday : That may be true, although I suspect they want it to bleed some 380 sales away from Airbus as well. But, some majors who operate the 747-400 seem to
69 DAYflyer : Great news. I just wish the 747 order would have been a pax order for the 8I.
70 Bringiton : Boeing has said that they dont expect 748I orders before late this year (low probability) or by next year (high probability) so how is them not gettin
71 SSTsomeday : What about JL, as the largest current 747 operator? Have they made any noises about which way they intend to go?
72 Jimyvr : It's a BBJ.
73 Bringiton : JL is probably a strong contendor but i feel LH and BA will be ordering before any third airline (except maybe EK)
74 Post contains links NoWorries : It'd be great to see a big order from JAL, but this news article (carried by a number of outlets) makes it look like JAL isn't terribly interested in
75 YVRLTN : Looks like the same colors as the pic of the 733 i posted in reply 27???
76 PolymerPlane : If your market is around 450 pax, you can't just simply use the average of your high capacity and low capacity planes. You simply need the right capa
77 Flykal : 2 x A300-600's under conversion to freighters, and the B737-800's with winglet additions are due to be back in service next month.
78 Domokun : I think they will get so many cargo orders they will pay for the program and also turn a profit on the cargo frames alone.
79 AvObserver : Somehow, I doubt you really think it's "too bad". In any case, it seems Boeing could have a big success with the 747-8F alone, without a single passe
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