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6 Men Arrested At MSP  
User currently offlineDC10extender From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 617 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13446 times:

Six men were arrested and taken off of a US flight going MSP to PHX. Police were called by the cabin crew before the plane even left the gate and they took six men off the plane. They were described as being of Middle Eastern descent. I don't have any links because it is breaking news. Does anyone have any more information?


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User currently offlineNWA330TONY From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13416 times:

heres a link

h**p://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S20152.html?cat=1

This link for Fox affliate story and video
h**p://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=1548600&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[Edited 2006-11-21 05:30:46]

User currently offlineKL642 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 350 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13382 times:

I was just watching WCCO and they said that the 6 men were removed from the aircraft but have not been placed under arrest as of yet.

User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2021 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13311 times:

See this stuff always happens when I am on my days off. I can't wait to hear all about this.


Just an MSPAVGEEK
User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2480 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13249 times:

It'll be interesting to see what the suspicious behavior was. Nervous flyers? Devoutly religious? Dry run gone awry? Hmmmm.


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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13231 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 5):
Dry run gone awry? Hmmmm.

I'll bet thats what it was



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User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2021 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13140 times:

Link from KARE 11 TV Minneapolis.
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=140079

Six passengers were removed from a US Airways flight Monday at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport and taken for questioning by police, an airport spokesman said.

The passengers boarded US Airways Flight 300, bound for Phoenix, around 6:30 p.m. when crew members "saw suspicious activity" by the men and called airport police, said the spokesman, Pat Hogan. Police escorted the men off the plane and took them to be questioned, he said.

Hogan said the crew described the men as "Middle Eastern" in appearance, though he said he didn't immediately know where they were from. He said more information would likely be released Tuesday.

The other passengers on the flight, which was carrying 170 people, were re-screened for boarding. The plane took off about three hours after the men were removed from the flight.



Just an MSPAVGEEK
User currently onlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13120 times:
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Quoting DC10extender (Thread starter):
They were described as being of Middle Eastern descent.

Considering how many are up there, this isn't much of a surprise.



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User currently offlineTerryb99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13095 times:

This link is about the same, but added;

A passenger initially raised concerns about the group through a note passed to a flight attendant, said Andrea Rader, a spokeswoman for US Airways. Police were called after the men refused requests by the captain and airport security workers to leave the plane.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15824096/


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13010 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
Its about damn time US Airlines get paranoid about these folks...

What the 'ell is that supposed to mean? Another one of your typical ignorant paranoid "because they are Middle Eastern looking they need to be profiled" comments?  sarcastic 



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User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12968 times:

Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 8):
The other passengers on the flight, which was carrying 170 people

170 people? Was there a group sleeping in the cargo hold? Last time I checked, our A320s were only certified to hold 150 passengers plus 5 crew. I don't think that adds up to 170 people. Quality journalism folks.

I sympathize with the good Muslims a bit. If they stay true to their religion in every way they risk getting harrassed anytime they get near a plane, and if they choose to dress a little more plain and blend in a little more, they are abandoning their religious beliefs for the sake of convience. I think Islam as a religion is completely whack and not the way to live a life, but they have a right to live their life accordingly, and it can't be easy right now.


User currently offlineKSUpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12951 times:

Quoting Terryb99 (Reply 10):
A passenger initially raised concerns about the group through a note passed to a flight attendant, said Andrea Rader, a spokeswoman for US Airways. Police were called after the men refused requests by the captain and airport security workers to leave the plane.

Hopefully there is more to this than a paranoid, note-passing, passenger.


User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12942 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
"because they are Middle Eastern looking they need to be profiled"

We do need to profile these people. If they are true muslims then they will understand. If they are terrorists then oh well we got them.
Regards,
Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12926 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
Its about damn time US Airlines get paranoid about these folks...

You mean ethnic profiling?? Could you please explain yourself?

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
Another one of your typical ignorant paranoid "because they are Middle Eastern looking they need to be profiled" comments?

I think you're right... this comment is definitely ignorant...

and just for your FYI, i suggested deleting reply #1.

Zaki

edit: typo

[Edited 2006-11-21 08:05:35]

User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12918 times:

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 14):
If they are true muslims then they will understand

And how on earth do you know that? Are you a muslim by any chance?


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12904 times:

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 14):

We do need to profile these people. If they are true muslims then they will understand.

Sorry dude, can't agree...I'm a Muslim...last week, I was taking photos in the AAdmiral's Club in ORD....management asked me to stop taking photos (hobby which I love) because people were getting concerned....

Told the manager that there were no laws against it, but I shall respect her decision and not take photos for rest of the duration....she thanked me for it and quietly told me that there are no laws against it...but since enough pax were "concerned" she had to ask me to stop...

I also know for a fact she wasn't lying, as I saw a few people staring at me while I was taking photos and knew it was only a matter of time before I will be asked to stop...

Now, why should I be harassed and subjugated to this? Because of the way I look? Becuase of a few paranoid people?

I've done nothing wrong, I'm not causing a commotion...so what's the bloody problem?

Oh I know..I'm not a balding white guy with a cheesy tattoo on my arm.. sarcastic 

It's because of the way I look...simple as that..

To make matters worse, I just missed a NH 777... mad 

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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12891 times:

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 15):
Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
Its about damn time US Airlines get paranoid about these folks...

You mean ethic profiling?? Could you please explain yourself?

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
Another one of your typical ignorant paranoid "because they are Middle Eastern looking they need to be profiled" comments?

I think you're right... this comment is definitely ignorant...

and just for your FYI, i suggested deleting reply #1.

Zaki

Couldn't agree with you more... checkmark 



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12885 times:

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 14):
We do need to profile these people. If they are true muslims then they will understand. If they are terrorists then oh well we got them.

Amen to that...

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 12):
170 people? Was there a group sleeping in the cargo hold? Last time I checked, our A320s were only certified to hold 150 passengers plus 5 crew. I don't think that adds up to 170 people. Quality journalism folks.

Haha, or it quite possibly just came from over the border?



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21085 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12870 times:

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 14):
We do need to profile these people. If they are true muslims then they will understand.

That's quite an assumption there.  Yeah sure

-Mir



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User currently offlineBrdcessna From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12794 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
Sorry dude, can't agree...I'm a Muslim...last week, I was taking photos in the AAdmiral's Club in ORD....management asked me to stop taking photos (hobby which I love) because people were getting concerned....

Told the manager that there were no laws against it, but I shall respect her decision and not take photos for rest of the duration....she thanked me for it and quietly told me that there are no laws against it...but since enough pax were "concerned" she had to ask me to stop...

I also know for a fact she wasn't lying, as I saw a few people staring at me while I was taking photos and knew it was only a matter of time before I will be asked to stop...

Now, why should I be harassed and subjugated to this? Because of the way I look? Becuase of a few paranoid people?

My sympathies I agree everyone is tooo paranoid and pretty much scared of thier own shadow. good luck on any further picture taking expiditions.


User currently offlineQantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12769 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
Sorry dude, can't agree...I'm a Muslim...last week, I was taking photos in the AAdmiral's Club in ORD....management asked me to stop taking photos (hobby which I love) because people were getting concerned....

Mate you don't say what you were taking photos of..if it was of the people sitting in the lounge, I would have told you to piss off with your camera. Muslim, white guy with tatts whatever, don't invade my privacy in an enclosed area. Having said that, I am reasonably sure you were taking pictures of aircraft...if so you should have been able to click away.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12769 times:

Well, someone else just posted on this and included a much newer news article with it.

Apparently these 6 men were all prominant scholars and mullahs, 5 from the Phoenix area and 1 from Bakersfield, CA. They were in MSP attending a major national Islamic conference that included Keith Ellison, just elected the first Moslem Member of Congress. They had gone so far as to alert the FBI and local police to their travels, even though they had no such obligation to do so. Once again, this was bigotry, pure and simple.



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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12759 times:

Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 8):
"saw suspicious activity"



Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 8):
"Middle Eastern"

It seems lately, that some in the American public see these as one in the same.

It's a shame  Sad

Kris



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12748 times:

Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 8):
"saw suspicious activity"

Also known as "Praying"  sarcastic 



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User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12915 times:

I'm sure people would be singing a totally different tune if these guys had done something. If 6 honkies were passing notes and looking suspicious, I'm sure they would get a second look too. If news reports say they refused to leave the plane after the captain asked, and all this happened before departure, wouldn't one imagine that there is a little more to this story???

In useless news, I was on that flight the other night..woo.


25 Post contains images LASOctoberB6 : what? i suppose your gonna say, "Its about damn time the US gets paranoid about black people" well guess what? they aint goin nowhere and it is very
26 Palladium : Well, in this case, i have to agree with US Airways decision. Any potential or suspicious behavior should be consider a serious target. Look, I don't
27 Post contains images N1120A : Ah, so praying is now "suspicious activity?" I guess John Paul II should be happy in death given that he prayed constantly when flying because he was
28 Kappel : Damn fine quote, can't agree more. Those are some very wise words friend... Indeed, I always say a short prayer before every flight, so does my wife.
29 Peh : Now, now, I think WesternA318 makes a very valid point... but not the one he intended to make. He proves that one or two people belonging to a single
30 Shinkai : Are they not aware that Immam's are not the ones doing the terrorist acts? Even IF (I EMPHASIZE IF) they were terrorists, it would be their disciples
31 Legacytravel : I have yet to see a black man eating fried chicken crash a jetliner into a building full of innocent civilians either.
32 Post contains images WesternA318 : LOL, right on!
33 Legacytravel : No I am not. However if you would know your history all Japanese Americans were kept in camps in the AZ and NV desert during WWII. That was for attac
34 Kappel : So you condone punishing an entire race of people for something a few did? So I guess you would also want to put away all white people after the Okla
35 N1120A : Or perhaps we should file away all outdoor types who seem to own a lot of guns and have access to fertilizer? Perhaps a background check on every red
36 SAS330GOT : I think it is great fun with the profiling as it relax the other parts. Think of this. If you where to blow up a plane. Would you dress in the traditi
37 Post contains links WesternA318 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU42MXHPXMg Ahh yes....heres what we should do...
38 Post contains links Flyfisher1976 : From Yahoo News: "Three of them stood and said their normal evening prayers together on the plane, as 1.7 billion Muslims around the world do every da
39 WesternA318 : Here in SLC not too long ago, there were several muslims working for AirServ in the Delta Air Logistics building. One day, they all took a break righ
40 Flyfisher1976 : This is a little bit of an overstatement. Clearly these men were not doing anything "wrong". My point is that there is a time and a place. Keep your
41 Windshear : His own remarks and apologetic response, are ignorant towards the feelings of the non-Muslim passengers. Boaz.
42 Peh : Couldn't agree more. Racial Profiling has been proven to dramatically reduce airline security. By stating publicly that you're going to focus on one
43 Windshear : Racial profiling does not work. The Israelis have not used racial profiling for many years. What really works, is "personality profiling". Someone can
44 Post contains images Fell90 : No offence meant to anyone by this statement im going to make, but thats a very steriotypically American thing to say! A small minority have very stu
45 Legacytravel : No I do not. The saying that a few bad apples spoils the bushel would apply here. However we all know that the terrorists have a penchant for aircraf
46 Post contains images Swissy : Well profiling is dangerous, performed by "non trained" people... I mean my dad looks like a hippy stuck in the 70's living in 2006, so each time he i
47 Legacytravel : It was 3 white guys and all have been brought to justice. It was 20,000 terrorists of middle eastern decent. Mark in MKE
48 Kappel : May I ask where you found this number? Did 20,000 terrorists attack the US? I thought it was 11. Don't getme wrong, Im all for fighting terrorism, bu
49 Boeing727flyer : US airways obviousley has no religious tollerence, not all arabs are terrorists...
50 LTBEWR : Clearly all but a small number of non-muslims understand the common beheavors of the Muslim faith. Our media should help people understand about sign
51 Bobski : This is straight from CAIR, who have a history of supporting genocidal terrorist organisations (e.g. Hamas and Hezbollah) and crying 'racism' when so
52 Michaeljfk : Absolutely appalling treatment...As a frequent visitor to the Middle East I have always been most welcomed and personally fascinated with the various
53 Post contains links SHUPirate1 : 19. Mohamed Atta, Waleed al-Shehri, Wail al-Shehri, Abdulaziz al-Omari, and Satam al-Suqami were on AA11, Marwan al-Shehhi, Fayez Banihammad, Mohand
54 Naritaflyer : It's typical U.S. racism desguised as "national security".
55 Post contains images BigOrange : Same here. I was on a flight from MDW to PHL in September, packed with people returning from a muslim convention. If just one of those people had sta
56 Fly2CHC : The pilot should be fired immediately, the passenger who passed the note should have been thrown off the plane for racial intollerance, and the airlin
57 A3xx900 : may I say "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and
58 Post contains images LASOctoberB6 : well maybe because we know what we arent supposed to do.
59 PITrules : I was also asked to stop taking pictures by law enforcement, at HNL last year. I'm white. You seem as paranoid as anyone alse - in your example you w
60 Gary2880 : A notion long since abandoned by many of people in this thread it seems. I hope Americans enjoyed living in the land of the free and home of the brav
61 CO7e7 : Well, considering that i'm a "non-muslim"- Arab American, i really don't like your option. -Zaki
62 NASCARAirforce : Don't feel bad. I am not Muslim or Middle Eastern and I get harassed for taking pictures. People have gotten so paranoid that if you see anyone with
63 Fly2CHC : On what basis? Would you have said something if you saw a Rabbi chanting while reading the Torah (considering Israel are responsible for terroism on
64 United777atGU : I guess I have a lot of people to add to my RR list. I'm glad that there are some people out there who are intelligent, who understand Islam, who are
65 NASCARAirforce : Well hopefully things will turn slightly for the better here since we threw some of the trash out this past November, no evident ballot fraud so demo
66 AirTran737 : The pilot has every right to deny someone who is being suspicious on his aircraft. I'll give you an equation Muslims+airplane+praying=not going on th
67 Kappel : Most Europeans have no problem with americans, but with the current US political climate. I was in NY just last month and had a great time. A couple
68 NASCARAirforce : Like I said, that is slowly improving. Clear minded people in America are sick and tired of what has happened the past 6 years with a few nut jobs th
69 Gary2880 : And Kudoses are in order for it! always a pleasure to hear a voice of common sense in the sea of typical American a.net posts.
70 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I was taking photos of planes only... Thanks Kappel... According to how things are turning out..you unfortunately would probably wind up being remove
71 Post contains links and images Longhaulheavy : No, I won't be running to the cops. You might see my bumper sticker, though. Of all places, I think Saturday Night Live did an excellent job of disti
72 Post contains images Gary2880 : I thought it got alot more civilized for some reason. And its not just A.net that doesn't need him my friend
73 Fly2CHC : You are completely right - for Muslims there is a time and place. Time is 5 times per day, and place is anywhere. So what's the big deal? Should we s
74 Fly2CHC : Yes - I'm sure your statements have merely reconfirmed the image millions of people around the WORLD have about many Americans (by the way, just for
75 Yellowstone : I can't understand why some people are suggesting that Muslims should refrain from praying onboard aircraft. Essentially, you are saying to Muslim pas
76 Post contains images Jacobin777 : You are correct there mate... ...I guess ignorance like a disease has no race, colour, creed, religion, etc...
77 Post contains images Gary2880 : All dog's have 4 legs, my cat has 4 legs, therefore my cat is a dog I'm surprised the spawn of satan has not been mentioned yet, Americans don't want
78 777fan : While I don't like the political nature this thread is taking on, it's worth pointing out that radical Islamists justify their attempts to destroy ev
79 Post contains images Riyadhnurse : Call it what you will. Bigotry,intolerence,paranoid,descrimination,etc etc. We are bombarded with horrors of terrorism evey day from every source,What
80 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ....50,000 people die per year on the expressways alone..! Amen! ....you got it friend, what you own is a dog, not a cat...
81 YULWinterSkies : So you were then seen not by the average traveler, but by the elite of the AA flyers. Even more disgusting... That is self-explanatory! ... or a Whit
82 Post contains images Gary2880 : mayhem?! are you nuts!! the only ones causing the mayhem were the passengers who live in fear through ignorance! god forbid they would actually read
83 Supa7E7 : US Airways probably had no choice in this matter. If the USA has cultural problems / ignorance and stereotying, that is something for US culture to ad
84 Post contains images N1120A : Oh really? How about a rocking rabbi? Should he be kicked off too? I am an atheist and can't stand the establishment of religion, should I demand tha
85 Lostmoon744 : "We have lived as if in a trance. We have lived as people in fear. And now—our rights and our freedoms in peril—we slowly awaken to learn that we
86 Supa7E7 : It is progressive overall, but deeply divided. Perhaps 30% of the state is deeply conservative. MSP draws from a lot of very rural areas, although th
87 Turpentyine : TSA is already doing that. Right now its a small pilot program, but it is being expanded. Its called the SPOT team.
88 FlyDreamliner : 'these folks' I agree with you jacobin. It's absolutely stupid. WesternA318 is being completely ignorant. It really upsets me that America's good rep
89 Turpentyine : TSA is already doing that. Right now its a small pilot program, but it is being expanded. Its called SPOT.
90 Jgardiner : I'll bet you wouldn't feel that way if it was happening to you! You would be screaming about your freedom and civil rights. And rightly so. Whatever
91 MEACEDAR : This is totally correct. I agree with 110%.
92 Warreng24 : I think this thread should be CLOSED based on the direction it seems to be going. The discussed topic has been talked about many times before and usua
93 Blasphemystic : Ignorance is the worst enemy of ALL men kind..Not Muslims, not Christians not Hindus or even Jews.
94 FlyMeToTheMoon : This just adds to the imbecilic behavior of some passengers and airlines. Between this and the breastfeeding debacle on Delta/Freedom Air things are g
95 Post contains images Gary2880 : Sums it up nicely me thinks. Nice to see another Johnson quotee by the way
96 Bridogger6 : First of all, this was not officially a US Airways flight, it was a flight operated by America West. Two completely separate airlines who are still i
98 Post contains images AirSpare : Hey, you're talking about me! (But I don't drink Bud, so don't profile me. Muslims need to learn about Islam, they all claim it;s the religion of tol
99 Blrsea : LOL !!! You are thinking of only the dead, what about their relatives? What about the small kids who lose their parents, people who lose their loved
100 Post contains images SBN580 : I have to admit I would have been startled to have seen the seen reported. The standing up part is what would have really gotten my attention. I think
101 Fly2CHC : Completely irrelevant. The same can be said about variations within all major religions.
102 Fly2CHC : As has previously been quoted, using this rationale should all white males in the US between 24 and 55 be automatically DNA tested, and worse still b
103 NASCARAirforce : That is what Der Fuher Dubya would like to do if he could get his way. Doesn't help when the Cable news media outlets like the Fixed News Network run
104 SAS330GOT : So am I. I am called Mr. Castro or Usama by my brother and friends. I am 100 percent swedish. I also think this is why I always get picked for extra
105 Beyauty : So can someone tell me what a "Middle Eastern" looks like? Is it someone who looks like a blonde Lebanese with blue eyes, or someone who looks like a
106 Peteg913 : Were you taking pictures of the airport or the planes?
107 DC10extender : Actually, the number of 9/11 hijackers was 19, and Al Qaeda has over 20,000 members who have sworn to kill all Americans.
108 DC10extender : Actually, the number of 9/11 hijackers was 19, and Al Qaeda has over 20,000 members who have sworn to kill all Americans.
109 Post contains images Jacobin777 : As mentioned above, I was taking photos of planes... lol..I'm sure you know what I meant...
110 777STL : The fact that you were in the Admiral's Club is irrelevant, IMO. They probably would have told you the same thing had you been doing the same thing d
111 Post contains images DC10extender : Its not racism, its profiling. Actually though, I think that that is a rude comment to make especially after what happened on 9/11. If several Islami
112 Bobster2 : I know from watching "Airline" on TV that's it's not so unusual to refuse passengers who cause others to become upset. People who are drunk, argumenta
113 DC10extender : Country hicks you say. That must be a cultural problem in Uzbekistan then. You obviously hate Americans and you don't know what you are talking about
114 DC10extender : Country hicks you say. That must be a cultural problem in Uzbekistan then. You obviously hate Americans and you don't know what you are talking about
115 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : I never said it was "carte blanche" for anything...but I wasn't doing anything illegal nor causing commotion..... Airport rules allow me to take phot
116 Post contains images NASCARAirforce : Or - a lot of Greeks, Sicilians, Albanians, Maltese also have the "Mediteranean" look, which could get them profiled. My girlfriend is southern Itali
117 Kappel : That is actually quite true. The problem is that the Koran is usually only in arabic, but many Muslims are not arabic speaking, or can't read. So all
118 Post contains images Gary2880 : Nothing more i love than consistency, always a sure bet some bright spark will trot that old doozey out. Yeah i do hate Americans, but only half. Can
119 DC10extender : Well, I definitely know that Disney Land isn't a country as I know quite a bit more about geography than most Americans.
120 474218 : The A320 FAA Type Data Certification Data Sheet No. A28NM states maximum passengers 179, with a minimum crew of 2. No maximum crew is stated. So much
121 Af773atmsp : Fox 9 News Aircraft:A320 The six passengers were a little dark, but if I was on that plane I wouldn't be nervous. If they were terrorists they still p
122 MH1402 : Since you have lived in Indonesia, you must know where Malaysia is. I suggest you come and visit Malaysia's university to see 70% of public universit
123 Domokun : Yes! And we should place a police officer in the home of every American. After all, if they are not doing anything questionable, they will understand
124 Post contains links and images Imiakhtar : I don't know what you've been reading or listening to . You couldn't be further from the mark. Well said We need to have dialogue between the various
125 NASCARAirforce : I went to University of Michigan for my undergrad, the satellite university of the big one in Dearborn. Some of my classes were 60% Muslim, in which
126 VonRichtofen : Hehehe, funny, and so many of you are always spouting "freeeeeedom" like Braveheart when questioned about anything. I guess to you "freedom" only app
127 Jelle : Gary2880, Do we need say more!!!!!!
128 Travellin'man : It has been discussed again and again on this forum that, beyond being unfair in every sense, ethnic profiling doesn't work. Ask any white shoplifter
129 Flyfisher1976 : Why should airlines waste money on this kind of training? Passengers should know better than to make a "show" on an airplane by standing up and drawi
130 NASCARAirforce : The point is people are getting paranoid and the current regime, Banana Republic, or whatever you call it isn't helping. They are running on a fear c
131 Legacytravel : Then pray before you get to the airport. Mohammed will understand why you are praying earlier. Mark in MKE
132 Legacytravel : But do you understand why people were concerned? I really do feel for the innocent people like you who some of the basic libertys being questioned. I
133 Legacytravel : This is not a popularity contest. The French did not help out in Iraq because Jaques Chirac had dirty money from Hussein. I hope to god that one the
134 Legacytravel : What about the 100,000's gassed by Hussein?? or did you those innocent people just slip your liberal simpleton mind??[Edited 2006-11-22 02:27:34]
135 Kiramakora : This topic certainly has covered quite the spectrum. Balkanization of the region would lead to instability that will do nothing to enhance the mid-Eas
136 Gary2880 : yes what about them. why did your country do nothing when that happend? wasnt of much interest to you then was it? but what seems to be failing to sl
137 AirWillie6475 : Ok now I see that you're just a nutjob from the UK. Not worth anybody's time.
138 N1120A : What we see? We have no right to strip our citizens of their rights. I just said that. It is a "revolution" now. Come on Most of them were Iranians.
139 Legacytravel : You mean the Kurds. And our Mustard Gas?? Really and you know for a fact that it was encourage. Please explain.
140 Domokun : Actually no - I sure as hell wouldn't and I would like to think the MAJORITY of Americans would think your comment is asinine. In this case, it looks
141 TrijetsRMissed : I am not in favor of the war in Iraq, you can't blame everyone in the US for Bush's mistakes. Once again, we are talking terrorism on airplanes not c
142 Travellin'man : We should target suspicious behaviour. Being Arab, male, and an airline passenger is not inherently suspicious. Being Arab, male, and an airline passe
143 Legacytravel : Pray at the airport. When you board the plane be considerate of the other 150 or so passengers on the plane. Or is ok for 6 to pray while 144 more pe
144 PIA777 : You have no proof. In America you are still innocent until proven guilty. They told me to stop in LHR once. These Imams were attending a conference i
145 Travellin'man : Huh? If they are praying in their seats, with their seat buckle on, and not physically intruding into their neighbor's personal space, who cares? Wha
146 NASCARAirforce : Isn't it more like 100,000? Plus the 3,000+ of U.S. Troops that are dead and another 10,000 + permanently injured/maimed due to lies from our governm
147 NASCARAirforce : I highly doubt 144 people were concerned. As far as we know it was just ONE passenger who passed the FA the note. So it sounds more like you are crap
148 TrijetsRMissed : Well I understand your point, I am Italian and Sicilian. However, if indeed the US was profiling and I was searched I would not be offended. I would
149 SSTsomeday : These are difficult times, and it saddens me that upright, spiritual, peace-loving people have been singled out because of how they look. However the
150 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Are you sure you are of the 16-20 year age? Your comments make me (and others) believe you are no older than 12... Your comments show your basic igno
151 Post contains images Riyadhnurse : [quote=Gary2880,reply=160][/ Why are you so angry tonight? The U.K. has suffered great losses as well as many countries along with the U.S.A. Its all
152 NASCARAirforce : So you would basically disregard what Ben Franklin said: read below- Is there an exact time that Muslims need to pray? I know they have to do it five
153 N1120A : Ever heard of the policy of dual containment? Actively encouraging Iraq to violate the sovereignty of Iran and turning a blind eye while chemical wea
154 Remcor : Well I think this incident again illustrates the flaws in ethnic/religious/racial profiling to catch terrorists. The hard-core terrorists aren't stupi
155 Legacytravel : I do agree with you. The muslim extremists have declared a war on all religions that are not Islamic. Why do you think that some release kidnapped ci
156 Legacytravel : Finally a post that I can 100% agree with. That being said we should profile averyone and they should just the hell up if they are searched and dont
157 Domokun : There is a line between respect of the U.S. Constitution and the illegitimate deprivation of rights based solely on the fact that someone is "concern
158 Yellowstone : Or, maybe it was because the people of France did not want their government involved in the war. You know, that little thing called democracy where g
159 Legacytravel : Yes something written 231 years ago while still guiding our country should be revised. I do not think Franklin ever thought that people would be blow
160 TrijetsRMissed : Why is it that you are ignorant? First of all I'm not conservative or republican and using quotes from 200+ years ago is irrelevant in this context.
161 Legacytravel : France is a socialist government. French are the first to surrender in a war. My political view points make you uncomfortable. You ready to move to C
162 Yellowstone : Trijets, I apologize for misunderstanding what you had written. You seemed to be objecting to Gary's assertion that the Iraqi death toll was more sign
163 Legacytravel : Really our troops have killed over 100,000. How can you say that he is responsible for over 100,000 deaths. Keep in mind I am not happy with Dubya my
164 Post contains images NASCARAirforce : What do you suggest? The Patriot Act replace the Constitution? Or better yet, Mein Kompf? Who is attacking who here? No one is attacking the United S
165 NASCARAirforce : So that is where they are? I wonder why the Bush Administration came out and admitted they didn't exist. Wouldn't you think our great spy satellites
166 F9Animal : Sorry all, but we live in the world of terror fear. If profiling is what it takes, then so be it. I applaud the actions of US Airways in this incident
167 Supa7E7 : Sorry, air travel is not a right. In fact, neither is a jury trial. Neither is freedom from torture. It seems like you need to update your records, f
168 Post contains images N1120A : First off, all people getting on an aircraft are screened. Second, profiling is a bigoted process. Finally, it doesn't work anyway. A Socialist gover
169 Post contains images Yellowstone : Legacytravel - Socialism and democracy are not mutually exclusive (France, Sweden, etc.). And yes, I would be just fine with moving to Canada. No one
170 Post contains images F9Animal : I suppose the next time I fly, I should get drunk as a skunk, and do dumb things. Like jump on the floor of a plane, and start praying. If I get yanke
171 Travellin'man : But you have to try to understand WHY it makes you feel uncomfortable. This all comes down to us fearing living through another 9/11. I consider myse
172 TrijetsRMissed : Screened and searched are different. Everyone is screened, we go through the detector, take off our shoes, ect.. Only a fraction are searched, going
173 Yellowstone : But what about Muqtada al-Sadr's grandmother?
174 TrijetsRMissed : I guess it wouldn't shock me.
175 NASCARAirforce : So you now think that they just did this to make a few bucks? Why the hell would they want to create problems otherwise? Risk going to Guantanimo? He
176 AirWillie6475 : From the SF area, big surprise. What's the matter you don't like the United States? Try France or better yet the Middle East you'll fit right in. Mak
177 F9Animal : I don't have a clue as to why. It seems that anyone will use any type of excuse to be looked at as a victim. The United States is at war. Our enemy c
178 Travellin'man : The purpose of terrorism is to terrorize, to instill fear. So, reading what you wrote, the terrorists have truly won. Aren't you glad you let them co
179 Travellin'man : A regular passenger to me is someone who follows crew instructions, and respects common courtesy. Common courtesy does not mean that everybody has to
180 F9Animal : I guess they are winning. But, you said it yourself... They made a careful choice. I admit, I watch my back. I admit, I fear these punk terrorists. B
181 Travellin'man : I meant you, all of us, in terms of careful choices, ones not based on fear, but good judgment. We all fear terrorists. That doesn't mean that all Mu
182 F9Animal : Last time I looked, US Airways did not have prayer lounges. If these guys wanted to pray on a plane, then they should chose an airline that has these
183 TrijetsRMissed : So what if it not normal? Why don't you try it sometime and see the reaction you get. I like to go for morning jogs, should I be allowed to run up an
184 Supa7E7 : Yes, on paper, but in practice, when we are talking about Islamic militancy, I think we agree that different procedures come into effect. US governme
185 Post contains images F9Animal : LMFAO!!! That would be a sight to see! Great point. Look at it like this..... If a Christian Choir group were to get up and start clapping and praisi
186 Legacytravel : Amen. I am gonna add you to my RU list. And You would not have a France if not for the US either. No I dont. I will size up everyone on my plane. I h
187 TrijetsRMissed : Should they permit it to happen? No, they made the right decision. They should make an example of this so Muslims in the US get the point. If they ar
188 Haggis79 : I disagree on that.... the last moron in the world should have understood by now that you SHOUDN'T EVER HAVE BEEN IN THERE. It didn't make the world
189 SSTsomeday : Excuse me - but this is not a quote from me.
190 Yellowstone : Ah yes, the "If you don't agree with what I think, you are a traitor to the US who should pack up and move away" line. Haven't seen that one before.
191 AviatorTJ : Sure, because Northwest or anyone else going to PHX would have surely let this go on. The Muslim community has now been urged to boycott US Airways.
192 Post contains images Yellowstone : I have to say, I don't quite get the boycott thing. Just like the actions of a few Muslims don't speak for the beliefs of all of them, the actions of
193 TrijetsRMissed : Haha, that's a good comparison. I'm sure this type of discussion will happen again so that'll be a good point to remember.
194 Legacytravel : Lets see some more information on this incident. The Immams were spewing Anti-American semantics. One or two of the Immams have businesses with ties t
195 Legacytravel : Sounds like you were listening to Michael Savage
196 DC10extender : Just because I am younger doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. I respect your viewpoint but I think it isn't fair to say that just becau
197 Legacytravel : Dont forget about the intellingence your country gave ours regarding WMD's and all the F'n games Saddam played with the UN. Or did we all forget that
198 Haggis79 : you ARE aware of the fact that muslims have to pray at certain times due to their religion? So nothing surprising or even remotely illegal here...
199 Post contains links Legacytravel : Here is the Post. http://www.startribune.com/462/story/826056.html Let me know if this works folks.
200 Haggis79 : ahm... I'm not from the UK... our intelligence recommended inspections to find out what's going on - something that WOULD HAVE WORKED if it was given
201 Post contains images Jacobin777 : actually, the Islamic calander is based on the lunar calander..and of course, as the seasons change, so do the timings of for sunrise, sunset, ect. M
202 VonRichtofen : With a mindset like yours, you will be forever living in fear. You cannot prevent everything, shit happens. Live your life, stop walking around like
203 Post contains images Bahadir : This is another case of Islamofobia where every ignorant people thinks that every Muslim is out there to get them and kill them.. Recently, i went thr
204 AirWillie6475 : Like Gore and Lieberman wouldn't have done the same. This is where you guys are wrong, you think that the President and his "bozos" are a bunch of ge
205 AirWillie6475 : Which one?
206 Post contains images AviatorTJ : Good idea. I like that idea too. Unfortunately, there won't be any effect of that boycott on US Airways either. Nope, I was on local radio as usual.
207 Legacytravel : That should have been the first warning sign. I heard rumors that they were looking to start something like this intentionally. SO they could sue and
208 Legacytravel : No they would have stuck their heads in the sand like always.
209 Legacytravel : We need to elimante this problem. You cannot hold a discussion with these nut jobs. You have to eradicate them just like a cockroach. Unfortunantly t
210 Haggis79 : You seem not to be aware of the fact that trying to "eredicate them like a cockroach" just makes only new terrorists... we haven't eliminated the coc
211 Haggis79 : where did you get that rumors from? Fox news? KKK? Would be a perfect fit for your view of the world anyway, wouldn't it?
212 Haggis79 : has it ever come to your mind there might be some purpose behind this bombarding? There might be people WANTING you to be afraid...? And I'm not talk
213 Jetblast25 : I got a taste of it recently. I was on a RTW tik traveling from IAD to FRA, and when I checked in the agent marked my boarding pass SSSS. I assume it'
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