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Continental Looks To Add 4 More Cities In India  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7776 times:

According to report from The Hindu Business Line, Continental is looking to add 4 new cities in India.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...11/21/stories/2006112101810700.htm

The cities are: Bengalooru, Chennai, Hyderabad, Mumbai.

However, despite the over exceeding its expectation on its Newark-Delhi run, the new cities in India will not be launched until 2009 or 2010 period when the 787 arrives.

Quote:
The airline, however, is exploring options all around the globe for what can be done with the Boeing 787 aircraft that it will receive in 2009," said Mr James J. Summerford, Vice-President (Europe, Middle East and India), Continental.


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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2392 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7666 times:

So it seems the 787s won't replace the 767-200ERs like alot of people here thought.... interesting.

More possible 787 destinations: (20 aircraft makes ~9 possible destinations (if served daily)).

EWR:
Mumbai
Chennai
Bangalore
Hyderabad
Istanbul
Dubai
Shanghai

LAX:
Hong Kong
Tokyo


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2892 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7630 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
LAX:
Hong Kong
Tokyo

Are these two markets from LAX just 220 seater markets--i am sure considerig the number of flights that operate betwwen them it is atleast a 300 seat category market.

Karan


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3988 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7448 times:
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it certainly is no doubt that our money maker right now is DEL. I was surprised by Jim's comments on how it would hurt our profits by adding a second daily flight. Maybe we could do BOM instead of a second DEL flight??


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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3259 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 7401 times:

Completely OT I know - but where is UA in all of this? Do they still continue to not see the plot?


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7266 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
So it seems the 787s won't replace the 767-200ERs like alot of people here thought.... interesting.

CO has 20 firm plus 20 options for 787s, the first 20 will not replace the 767-200s, however they will probably be replaced by the 787s that will exercised beyond 2012.

The first 787 routes for CO will be to Asia from EWR and IAH, such as..

EWR-

Taipei, Osaka, Nagoya, Seoul, Mumbai, Bangalore, Chennai, Hyderabad.

IAH-

Beijing, Seoul etc..



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User currently onlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 547 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6927 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 4):
Completely OT I know - but where is UA in all of this? Do they still continue to not see the plot?

UA could still launch some sort of SFO-BLR or IAD-DEL flight and get in on some of the Indian action, but they seem to be content not doing so.


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2392 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6670 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
The first 787 routes for CO will be to Asia from EWR and IAH, such as..

EWR-

Taipei, Osaka, Nagoya, Seoul, Mumbai, Bangalore, Chennai, Hyderabad.

Sounds likely, but CO doing ALL their Asia flying from EWR isn't all that good. Going to the far east (China, Japan, ect) from EWR cuts off passengers from flight connections to the rest of the U.S. Thats why the far east is best served from SFO or LAX (more logical connections, more possibilities, more revenue).


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6612 times:

Why don't CO add more 777s and launch service to those cities? They would be huge money makers for CO!!!


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6552 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 7):
Sounds likely, but CO doing ALL their Asia flying from EWR isn't all that good. Going to the far east (China, Japan, ect) from EWR cuts off passengers from flight connections to the rest of the U.S

EWR serves the largest market in the US, 25% of the US population lives within 3 hours drive of EWR. It's also a lucrative hub for CO, by focusing on developing their hubs and staying away from point to point flying CO has been able to perform better than it's peers.

They have no hubs on the West Coast, until that changes I would not look for any long haul International flights from the West Coast save an outside chance for a nonstop to Guam.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6446 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
EWR serves the largest market in the US, 25% of the US population lives within 3 hours drive of EWR

...Which means that 75% of us DON'T.
Coming from Dallas, for example, I'd much prefer a DFW-IAH-SIN flight than to go thru Newark... and I suspect the other 75% of Americans would, too.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6423 times:
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With most people in the USA living east of teh Mississippi flying from New York to Asia is fine, the market is there for a meduim size airplane. 787 were designed for this type of flying, 744 are great from the west coast but not everybody wants to go to California to fly to Hong Kong.

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6384 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
The first 787 routes for CO will be to Asia from EWR and IAH, such as..

EWR-

Taipei, Osaka, Nagoya, Seoul, Mumbai, Bangalore, Chennai, Hyderabad.

IAH-

Beijing, Seoul etc..

If this is true. great.
I think KIX and NGO are possiblities but I would not put them high on the list for first 787 routes. Though having non-stop to the East coast is in demand, I wonder if it will have the yield needed to keep the route profitable. If CO were to enter these markets, it would create competition that NW doesn't have. Better for me. sadly I have no reason to fly to the East Coast, I am from Wisconsin. But that would mean more 787s to photo,

India is booming economically and there are huge investments from US companies as well as a great entrepreneurship in the country spurring the need for more service. Japan just doesn't have the entrepreneurship to demand even a very nice long-thin route.

Korea....underserved and will get CO non-stop from IAH and EWR.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
So it seems the 787s won't replace the 767-200ERs like alot of people here thought

I never thought this. I always thought the 787 was going to do for Transpac/Asia what the 767 did for Trans-atlantic/Europe. But one could abuse a 787 for a 767-200ER mission.

But I wonder if EWR can handle an explosion of new expansion. I thought it was starting to ache in a very ORD way.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineB737900er From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6378 times:

I dont expect CO to fly heavily to Asia at first. But do expect the main concentration of 787's to be in EWR

User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2392 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6212 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
They have no hubs on the West Coast, until that changes I would not look for any long haul International flights from the West Coast save an outside chance for a nonstop to Guam.

Well, LAX used to be a big CO hub, years ago. Currently, it's the 4th largest city they serve. So, Trans-pacific from LAX is possible. T6 does have 787 gates.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6074 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 14):
Well, LAX used to be a big CO hub, years ago. Currently, it's the 4th largest city they serve. So, Trans-pacific from LAX is possible. T6 does have 787 gates.

Denver used to be a hub too, don't look for DIA-NRT from CO unless they merge with UAL.

CO closed their Denver hub in 1995 and moved the aircraft to EWR and IAH, they shut down their Long haul International flights from Seattle, Los Angeles and Honolulu in 1994 and moved the DC-10s and 747s to EWR to launch new Trans-Atlantic routes.

Both were profitable moves, they only scenario under which CO grows outside EWR, IAH, CLE or Guam is through a merger.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3988 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 5710 times:
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would be great if we could use our idle 777 in HKG to do a HKG-DEL route.


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User currently offlineWorldsurfer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 5657 times:

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 16):
would be great if we could use our idle 777 in HKG to do a HKG-DEL route.

lets say this was a possibility with the routes being approved , would they send the bird back and forth HKG-DEL-HKG
or would they send the 777 from EWR-HKG then HKG-DEL and finally DEL-EWR
and the same thing for the other 777 doing EWR-DEL DEL-HKG HKG-EWR


User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 5609 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 8):
Why don't CO add more 777s and launch service to those cities? They would be huge money makers for CO!!!

CO ordered 2 777s in 2005 with delivery in 1st quarter of 2007.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3988 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 5566 times:
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i'm pretty sure they would be rotated like EWR-HKG-DEL-EWR, dpeending on how we would set our times.


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User currently offlineJammin From India, joined Nov 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 5432 times:

Excellent, this is good news about Continental. They are my preffered US-based carrier and perhaps a flight on them in the near future to the other side of the world is in order...


ps: just had a great flight with them flying MKE-IAH-TUS



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User currently offlineCOERJ From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 5359 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 11):
With most people in the USA living east of teh Mississippi flying from New York to Asia is fine

I agree--
Connecting at EWR to Asia is not that bad. The flight from EWR-NRT is only 10 minutes longer than the flight from IAH-NRT, Flying from many places in the midwest and south would not be a big deal.

In addition I do not believe that CO will start service out of LAX as they mantain the strongest hub and spoke model out of all airlines and also rely on connecting flights. LAX is not their hub, and only non-hub routes are to Hawaii and Mexico, therefore a domestic market would have to be created for transpacific travel.

EWR will get more 787s for service to eastern Europe (i.e. Budapest, Athens, Vienna, etc.) and Asia/ mid east service, and possibly Africa if within the market at the time.

Houston will get the 787s to major Asian destinations already served at EWR in addition to major European destinations such as Frankfurt and Madrid,

In addition I do not see four cities to India just yet. Other destinations will be a primary priortiy, then possibly one destination at a time (i.e. starting with Mumbai in addition to Delhi, and adding more as time goes on)


User currently offlineEwr767 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 5246 times:

In regards to ewr term C reaching capacity, im not sure if many people are aware but we will be moving all mainline flights back to terminal C and express is going to term A. I'm not sure if this will help the situation, but just thought i would see what the response is.

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