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Status Of NW Outstation Contracting  
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6763 posts, RR: 17
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

I haven't heard anything on this so far. have all the stations that were to be outsourced been completely changed over? What was the criteria? What happens if the station no longer meets the criteria or a station falls into the criteria?

Thanks for any info anyone can provide.


Aiming High and going far..
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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

PVD is now all ATS (Airport Terminal Services) less the station manager. They took over 10/31...

User currently offlineJblake1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

LAN Lansing converts to Pinnacle next week 11/28. I know there a quite a few more to go as well.

User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

There are a lot of stations that have been outsourced recently... many with a severe lack of training, ability, and competence. Its so bad, that at one outstation last week, a friend of mine who flies for Pinnacle had to get out of the airplane and inspect the nose gear for damage after pushback. Just yesterday, a CRJ magically had a dent the size of a breakfast bowl appear near the baggage door... nobody told anyone about it, it was found by the FO on the preflight and subsequently caused a 3 hour maintenance delay and multiple missed connections.

[Edited 2006-11-21 18:07:45]

User currently offlineR311music From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

Yea BDL was switched over to WFS a few weeks ago. These guys look like they weren't even trained, just thrown out onto the ramp to figure it out. At first I helped them with things like the t-point belt, but they still never learned, so I let them figure it out.


confusing use of time
User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

I wonder if Tucson is on the list? NW has only one flight a day to MSP.

User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1612 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 5):
I wonder if Tucson is on the list?

Likely. I want to say that the cutoff was cities with something like 50 weekly flights



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6763 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Was it 50 mainline flights or just 50 total?


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1612 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 7):
Was it 50 mainline flights or just 50 total?

That I can't remember.

This might help
http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...hwest+ground+outsourcing#ID2883238



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6763 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

Well, from that article.. it does say 50 or more MAINLINE flights per week is the requirement.

Now here is an issue..

RDU was supposedly changed Nov 14 to an outsourced station due to us having 42 mainline flights. But come Dec 19, we will have 56 mainline flights as our 3 MEM flights revert from CRJ to DC9. So will this remain an outsourced station? was it converted on 14Nov since they knew it was changing to a criteria busting station?

Just pondering..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2605 times:
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ERJ170

Very good question. One that a lot of folks have been waiting to see happen. I think most of that question can be answered in the explanations that were sent out before the vote. I can't get to it now as I'm way too far from home but I'm sure that NW will try and push it as far as possible before re-manning an outsourced station.

Let's see how far they let this continue before the quality of new personnel forces a change or if ll will just settle down (and I mean that in SO many ways).



Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2499 times:

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 3):
many with a severe lack of training, ability, and competence.

No kidding- JAX just recieved theirs, what a joke. They can't even figgure out the beltloader, let alone the pushback tug. NW thinks they're saving money with this, but in reality, it's going to cost them more in a/c damage, GSE damage, and sheer missed connections/hotel expenses. I'd rather have the higher-paid IAM workers, at least they were competent and usually very motivated. $7/hr just doesn't motivate someone to work.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 7):
Was it 50 mainline flights or just 50 total?

50 Mainline

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 9):
RDU was supposedly changed Nov 14 to an outsourced station due to us having 42 mainline flights. But come Dec 19, we will have 56 mainline flights as our 3 MEM flights revert from CRJ to DC9.

The cutoff was based off 2005, it doesn't matter anymore.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

CLE is outsourced for NW beginning Dec 13th.

The NW employees are holding a farewell bake sale on Dec 2nd for airline employees here in CLE.


User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

All contract employees aren't paid $7/hr. Several companies have their starting pay in range of $9.50-$10.00 which is par with where most airlines start people out at. It is the salary cap that is different, usually no more than $12/hr after a couple of years.

If there are problems regarding contract employees, then it can be a combonation of NW not providing the necessary resources to train before station opening, or the contract company resting on its laurels and not sending in an "A-team" if you will to get the station off and running well while all new employees get proper training.

I have caught alot of flack from people saying I am ignorant in saying that no ramp agent is worth $15-$22/hr. If they have additional responsibilities, then maybe, but just to load some bags, and then sit around until your next aircraft gets in...no way. A ramp agent position is an entry level position, and should be paid as such. I did the job, and moved up within the industry. If you want more money, take a few college/techincal school courses and pave your path.


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 14):
If they have additional responsibilities, then maybe, but just to load some bags, and then sit around until your next aircraft gets in...no way.

Pinnacle is paying their people 7/hr in JAX. The old ramp folks used to do more than load/push aircraft, they were also the ticket/gate agents, did the a/c cleaning, and alot more. They didn't have alot of people on staff, so everyone earned their keep.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 15):
Pinnacle is paying their people 7/hr in JAX. The old ramp folks used to do more than load/push aircraft, they were also the ticket/gate agents, did the a/c cleaning, and alot more. They didn't have alot of people on staff, so everyone earned their keep.

DeltaGuy

For all of that, yes, I agree...they should be starting out at around $10/hr. I would still cap it though to a max of $13/hr. This is all still entry level work.


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