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Airlines In Latin America 2007  
User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6156 times:

Would be seeing any new carriers in the region in 2007. What about any growth in the region?


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User currently offlineCM767 From Panama, joined Dec 2004, 651 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6150 times:

Not a lot to report from PTY, CM will continue to add frequencies on existing destinations, I believe that the only new destination being rumored for 2007 is Guadalajara.


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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4391 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6089 times:

Look out for AV adding new frequencies to existing destinations, and organizng the BOG hub in a bank-based operation. New Euro cities are as well in the plans. (maybe a 3rd 763 or a 6th 762 will be added)


Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6064 times:
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Tam is expected to get 3 M11 and probably 1 more widebody, and also at least 12 A319/A320.
Gol will receive up to 25 planes (737-800 SFP) and is expected to connect MEX and BOG to it's network.
Varig probably will resume some long haul destinations.
Ocean Air will get their first widebodies and begin JNB, LAD and LAX.
WebJet plans are to take 2 or 3 more planes.
BRA ? I don't know.

Felipe



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6013 times:

Quoting CM767 (Reply 1):
the only new destination being rumored for 2007 is Guadalajara

This is a mistery topic. First CM mentioned it was a matter of when not if, but then they sort of changed their mind and dropped the plan. In the end, I am not sure if they will go ahead with it or not.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
Gol will receive up to 25 planes (737-800 SFP) and is expected to connect MEX and BOG to it's network

MEX will be served via LIM, right? Will it be GRU-LIM-MEX-LIM-MEX? 737-700W's right?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5980 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
MEX will be served via LIM, right? Will it be GRU-LIM-MEX-LIM-MEX? 737-700W's right?

Eddie probably will be GIG-GRU-LIM-MEX-LIM-GRU-GIG with 737-800 SFP

Felipe



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User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5975 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
probably will be GIG-GRU-LIM-MEX-LIM-GRU-GIG with 737-800 SFP

Just can´t wait for it to happen !!!

I for sure will be flying GOL to come down to Sao Paulo and Rio sometime in 2007 to meet with my coffee business partners.

Yes, it will be my very first trip to Brazil, and I want to do in style with GOL... of course !!!

Best regards



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5946 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
Gol will receive up to 25 planes (737-800 SFP) and is expected to connect MEX and BOG to it's network.

Great news, I'm sure GOL will be welcome en la Ciudad de Mexico. Maybe sometime in the future we'll see Avianca adding Cancun to their portfolio. If Aerolineas and LAN can, why not Avianca. You never know.

saludos


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4391 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5842 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
MEX and BOG to it's network.

I wonder how they´ll do if RG already returned.....no freqs. available by the bilateral i think.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 7):
Maybe sometime in the future we'll see Avianca adding Cancun to their portfolio.

Indeed. Also, a return to SJU is strongly rumoured.



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User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5836 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
Eddie probably will be GIG-GRU-LIM-MEX-LIM-GRU-GIG with 737-800 SFP

Do they plan to offer any meal on board this flight???? I just can't seem to imagine that many passangers willing to fly to MEX via LIM on a narrow-body 738. The flight will be what 10h long, if not worse. That's just too much!!! PAx from GIG will have a hard time!!!! Fares will have to be equally atractive to compensate!!!

How's GOL service on their flights to EZE, MVD, VVI or SCL??? Is there any meal or a regular cereal bar & soda does it???


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5832 times:
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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 8):
I wonder how they´ll do if RG already returned.....no freqs. available by the bilateral i think.

Gol will take advantage on Fortaleza Agreement signed by both Brazil and Colombia. It allows flights from frontier cities (MAO-BOG) even without frequencies.

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 9):
Do they plan to offer any meal on board this flight????

Good question, i will try to know what's Gol service on SCL non stop from São Paulo as well as to Manaus.

Gol will also begin a CNF-GIG-EZE service very soon, it's also to avoid two international services GIG-GRU at same time, and to fight against Tam new service Belo Horizonte-Rio-Buenos Aires.

Quoting XA744 (Reply 6):
Yes, it will be my very first trip to Brazil, and I want to do in style with GOL... of course !!!

And probably cheaper than AM ! LAN just reduced their fares on Chile-Brazil (use to be a very expensive flight) because of Gol competition. Now is possible to fly SCL-Brazil R/T for just US$ 225,00 (Fares/Taxes included)

Just a RG side-note, PP-VTE (Euroatlantic operated by RG) is grounded at BOG due to an engine problem (correct reason unknown). GRU-BOG probably with stop at MAO during the next days (733). The other 763 (PP-VTC) is running flights to PU (their 763 is under maintenance).

Felipe

[Edited 2006-11-22 14:08:54]


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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4391 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5698 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
Just a RG side-note, PP-VTE (Euroatlantic operated by RG) is grounded at BOG due to an engine problem

That´s just plain bad luck, really, poor RG, i wish them the best.

When the other 767 comes back, are they gonna start MIA???



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5688 times:
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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 11):
When the other 767 comes back, are they gonna start MIA???

I believe the first one to be resumed will be LHR. MIA is a strong destination to be resumed during the first quarter 2007.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineMXComet4C From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5679 times:

Answering Eastern 023:

Mexico, in somewhere around one year (2005-2006) duplicated it's number of main carriers (chartered & scheduled) to 17, being the smallest two: Aladia with one 757-200 and Nova Air with 3 737-200s.

They are almost all growing, from the largest one AM with 5 787s (leased) on order, to MX duplicating it's wide body fleet (from one to two 767s  Smile ),to Aladia who will not stop at just one a/c.

On routes: AM's MEX-TIJ-NRT and MX back to DEN are nice surprises as is QA to LAX & LAS out of TRC.

Other new scheduled routes are coming shortly, now from the small RepublicAir GUA-MEX-TPQ-TIJ, to the big one AM's MEX-AUS.

Rumors are AM is also planning MEX-MLM-SEA! It's been a long time since MX dropped PVR-SEA & MZT-SEA from which AS has been profiting now.

I cannot disclose anymore than there are serious studies for another carrier expected to operate by 2008.

Regards...


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32602 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5649 times:

In Miami/Fort Lauderdale related news to Latin American carriers:

95% likely
*Varig will resume MIA-GRU 1Q07
*TAM will begin MIA-GIG 2Q07, and likely MIA-FOR too.
*Avior begins Miami-Barcelona, VE service in less than a month with a 737-200.
*Aeropostal will likely be announcing Fort Lauderdale-Maraciabo shortly.

Possible
*Click will hopefully finally launch Miami 2Q07 - 3x daily from Cancun (replacing MX' 2x daily on the route)
*LAN Peru is studying launching Miami-Cuzco or Miami-Iquitos with their A320s.
*AeroCondor is planning to launch Miami-Lima in MAR07.
*Aerogal is planning to launch Miami-Quito-Manta in 2Q07.
*Aeropostal may re-open Miami-Porlamar.
*Avianca might begin Miami-Pereira non-stop in 3Q07.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
probably will be GIG-GRU-LIM-MEX-LIM-GRU-GIG with 737-800 SFP

Interesting. Do you think there will be weight penalties on the MEX-LIM segment?

Quoting MXComet4C (Reply 13):
Rumors are AM is also planning MEX-MLM-SEA!

Whoa! This is very interesting. But what, many of the Mexican immigrants living in and around Seattle are from Michoacán? I would have thought MEX-SEA or MEX-GDL-SEA more likely.

Quoting MXComet4C (Reply 13):
there are serious studies for another carrier expected to operate by 2008

Well, at this rate, we will probably start seeing our own round of consolidation in just a couple of years.

MXComet4C, welcome to the forum. I am sure we will have great discussions and that you will enjoy the threads and the pictures as much as I and everyone else does.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineMXComet4C From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5636 times:

Thanks Eddie, I've been around a.net since it began, has always been an excelent distraction and information source for me. I couldn't resist anymore and had to begin posting. I've read you a lot and you feel like an old acquaintance (but not viejo  Smile ) to me. Thank you for my first welcome, a warm one. For MLM, take my word. AS already has enough connecting flights SEA-GDL. It is exactly my brother who is doing the feasability studies for a new carrier.... imagine, I'll get to personally see the quotations from Airbus & Boeing and maybe some others!!!

Regards,


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5632 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
Tam is expected to get 3 M11 and probably 1 more widebody

Is this true? I didn't think we'd ever see a new MD-11 operator that was for passenger service. Where are they getting them from, Varig?



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5615 times:

Some information I picked up on Central American aviation:

Currently rumours float around about either MP re-starting direct flights into SJO and ending their horrible arrangement of wetleasing a TA A320 as a feeder, or KL re-starting service into SJO. However, it seems certain, according to reliable A.net sources, that PTY may be making a comeback into the KL network sometime soon.

Along with that, AF seems interested in entering the Central American market due to high demand and SJO is one of the very likely destinations for AF. The AF General Manager for the region has pointed out that Central America is a possible new market in an interview in the Costa Rican business daily La República.

As for VH Central America, I don't think it will happen. They may have their AOC and already have it for quite some time, but operations have not yet started. Worst case scenario: getting the AOC was simply a waste of time and the airline will fail before it starts. I'll try to keep an eye on this.

DE has changed their FRA-SJO flight routing to include SDQ as the stopover point and dropping HAV as the previous stopover point. The flight is also now a midnight departure out of FRA and morning departure out of SJO, which gives me the impression that these timings are pretty convenient to the traveler. I wonder how the flight in all of its legs will do with the high season starting soon.

Other rumours floating around say that F9 and AS may be looking into flying to Central America as well. Along with that, there may be the possibility that IB might increase its frequencies and make SJO a daily nonstop both ways with an extra flight on Sunday, with GUA and PTY getting their own dedicated flights (or at least GUA and PTY becoming part of a new triangular route).

Any rumours that have been floating around come from A.net and other Costa Rican aviation forums. Most of this may not happen in the end, but let's hope for the best.

Anyone else with more information on the Central American market?

[Edited 2006-11-23 03:33:57]

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5613 times:

Quoting MXComet4C (Reply 16):
you feel like an old acquaintance (but not viejo ) to me.

Well, thanks a lot!

Quoting MXComet4C (Reply 16):
my brother who is doing the feasability studies for a new carrier.... imagine, I'll get to personally see the quotations from Airbus & Boeing and maybe some others

Cool, cool!!! Lucky you (and especially your brother)!

Quoting MXComet4C (Reply 16):
already has enough connecting flights SEA-GDL

That is true. I will look forward to AM's announcement.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5215 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5589 times:

Quoting MXComet4C (Reply 13):
Aladia with one 757-200 and Nova Air with 3 737-200s.

Correction for perfection! Aladia is getting 2 additional B757-200s one more in January and a 3rd by mid 2007. Now that you mention Nova Air, they're in search of the 4th aircraft and a 5th which is a widebody, a B767s which might probably get here by early 2007. The smallest, Global Air subleased out their 2 B732s to Conviasa of Venezuela.

Quoting MXComet4C (Reply 13):
from the largest one AM with 5 787s (leased) on order

From the largest in terms of fleet. Traffic stats from January to September 2006 show MX continue it's lead and with over 10 aircraft less in fleets, less flights and less seats its advantage has growth over the rest.

On another point, seems the new LOCO's are AFFECTING badly Aviacsa and Azteca, the first one will probably not reach its 3.5M pax last year achieved as well as Azteca will not be even braking the 1M benchmark.

Interjet's and Volaris performance followed by Avolar are just amazing!! I can not wait to see them flying to more places with more aircraft.

Cargo airlines as MasAir, AeroUnion and Estafeta Air Cargo are finally growing!!

Long haul fleets in AM and MX are finally growing too as well as several new routes on this market are being developed. I've been told many good things going on at AM and MX on this segment! Lets hope they DO RISK to WIN!

Quoting MXComet4C (Reply 13):
I cannot disclose anymore than there are serious studies for another carrier expected to operate by 2008.

Just another one? I know of 3 more projects on their way... one with CRJ's one more with B737s and another two with a mix of B737/767s...

ghost77 APM



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User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4756 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5540 times:

Quoting MXComet4C (Reply 13):
now from the small RepublicAir GUA-MEX-TPQ-TIJ,

Wait wait wait wait wait... did you just say GUA?! Well finally, some new service for a change!  Smile

BTW, welcome to a.net!

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 18):
As for VH Central America, I don't think it will happen. They may have their AOC and already have it for quite some time, but operations have not yet started. Worst case scenario: getting the AOC was simply a waste of time and the airline will fail before it starts. I'll try to keep an eye on this.

Last I heard from them, they were going to lease the DC-9's from Tikal Jets in order to start operations... but that was supposed to happen two months ago! At this point, I really doubt they will ever start.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 18):
Anyone else with more information on the Central American market?

Not much to report from here... There had been several news reports of TA starting flights to SDQ this month, but there was never an official press release from them, and the flight doesn't appear in the system. The only "new" flights are loads of extra frequencies for the holiday season.

Saludos  airplane 
Carmen



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 5453 times:

Quoting CM767 (Reply 1):
Not a lot to report from PTY, CM will continue to add frequencies on existing destinations, I believe that the only new destination being rumored for 2007 is Guadalajara.

I would guess BZE, COR, BWI or IAD, YUL or YYZ, maybe even ORD. It would be cool to see CM E190 in MTY, FLL and TPA oneday. Other than that, It seems CM is finally paying attention to its "Cinderella" routes: KIN and PAP; hope they're thinking about AUA and CUR, and if POS doesn't perform as expected, a tag-on to BGI.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 18):
However, it seems certain, according to reliable A.net sources, that PTY may be making a comeback into the KL network sometime soon.

CM does have close relation with Skyteam CO and NW, plus they badly need some feeder European flight for their hub. all of this would make some sense.
Maybe this would mean the return of the AMS-PTY-SJO-PTY-AMS thrice weekly flights, now with B767 I think.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 18):
AF seems interested in entering the Central American market due to high demand and SJO is one of the very likely destinations for AF.

If AF is a SkyTeam airline and the SkyTeam hub could be CM's PTY? and if KL is to fly to Centralamerica? Lets wait and see.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 18):
there may be the possibility that IB might increase its frequencies and make SJO a daily nonstop both ways with an extra flight on Sunday, with GUA and PTY getting their own dedicated flights (or at least GUA and PTY becoming part of a new triangular route).

For PTY, MAD-GUA-PTY-MAD won't be a comfortable route, IB had flown MAD-SDQ-PTY-GUA-PTY-SDQ-MAD before, so maybe that route without SDQ is what IB has in mind.



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User currently offline787KQ From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5376 times:

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 9):
Do they plan to offer any meal on board this flight???? I just can't seem to imagine that many passangers willing to fly to MEX via LIM on a narrow-body 738. The flight will be what 10h long, if not worse. That's just too much!!! PAx from GIG will have a hard time!!!! Fares will have to be equally atractive to compensate!!!

If there's no meal but a lengthy stopover in Lima, go to the terminal and eat some real food as people on TACA layovers do. It good....and cheap.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
LAN Peru is studying launching Miami-Cuzco or Miami-Iquitos with their A320s.

I thought Cuzco had climatic issues that forced AA to cancel its flight years ago because it was so unreliable though the demand seemed to be there. Granted, it would be easier for LAN with it domestic network to just transfer passengers via a diversion to Lima without such a great disruption to passengers if needed.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 18):
Currently rumours float around about either MP re-starting direct flights into SJO and ending their horrible arrangement of wetleasing a TA A320 as a feeder, or KL re-starting service into SJO. However, it seems certain, according to reliable A.net sources, that PTY may be making a comeback into the KL network sometime soon.

COPA is great. If a SkyTeam partner came to PTY, I hope COPA gets its fair share of revenue on the incoming flight too and not just from the onward connections. If not, it should wet lease some planes for its own international flights. COPA deserves it.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 22):
Maybe this would mean the return of the AMS-PTY-SJO-PTY-AMS thrice weekly flights, now with B767 I think.

I doubt that the 767 or A330 would do Central America flights if KL does come back to PTY and/or SJO. My guess is that the MD-11 would do the flying.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 22):
If AF is a SkyTeam airline and the SkyTeam hub could be CM's PTY? and if KL is to fly to Centralamerica? Lets wait and see.

That's what's floating around, but I agree. Let's wait and see. Maybe KL will drop its plans in favour of AF and their plans for the region.


25 MGA : Any Air Madrid News? They were suppose to start LIR, MGA and GUA next year... MGA
26 Argentina : As for Argentina concerns: Aerolineas is starting new flights to CUN in January 2007, and the rest is unpredictable.... Maybe LAN Argentina is adding
27 LTU932 : My guess is that we'll know once either once the flights are in the GDS or when they actually start. I seriously doubt that NM will start up those fl
28 Tomascubero : I agree, PTY has been having some great remodelations done and Copa having loads of flights all around Central America, the Caribbean and North/South
29 RICARIZA : A friend told me that there is a rumor within Avianca that the fleet renovation might be closer to Airbus than Boeing... apparently for 330s, 320s and
30 LipeGIG : Ex-RG birds, the first one in fact is under painting and configuration at GIG. Air Madrid will also begin MAD-GRU 2x weekly service on february. Lan
31 Tomascubero : The only service Air Madrid is starting is the end of its AOC...
32 Luisca : A few days ago Panama signed a new bilateral with Argentina giving 28 weekly frequencies to Argentina, CM uses 2 daily frequencies and will probably a
33 2travel2know : European connection?? at PTY? With whom? I'm surprised CM choose a 3rd EZE daily before a daily to COR. The shockwave effect of an eventual CM PTY-CO
34 Adriaticus : It has been much discussed and anticipated CM would become a SkyTeam member. A date was even given: June '2006 for becoming an associate member... wh
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