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Airbus - What To Do With A300/310 Line  
User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7017 times:

The final A300 will be delivered in 2007. The fate of the assembly line - or its buildings - is uncertain yet.

So here's my question: How can Airbus put it to the best possible use ? The buildings seem too small to open another A330/340 line, and I doubt yet another A32S line is needed.

Might be the demolition of it be the best solution, so other facilities can be built there ? I know there was talk about this so the A350 line can be built, but I think this is not that urgent.


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User currently onlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7004 times:

No brainer---A350 line. Nough said!


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6995 times:

Quoting A342 (Thread starter):
So here's my question: How can Airbus put it to the best possible use ? The buildings seem too small to open another A330/340 line, and I doubt yet another A32S line is needed.

Seems to me that would be a perfect spot to put the A350. Besides which, do you honestly think that Airbus would let building size be an issue? When Boeing started the 777 project, do you think they let building size getin the way? Not a chance.

[Edited 2006-11-21 21:54:32]


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User currently onlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6975 times:

Quoting A342 (Thread starter):
I know there was talk about this so the A350 line can be built, but I think this is not that urgent.

Au contraire, I think it just as urgent as fixing the A380 production problems!! They need this plane and they need it out the hangar door as soon as possible.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6919 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 3):
Au contraire, I think it just as urgent as fixing the A380 production problems!! They need this plane and they need it out the hangar door as soon as possible.

I did not suggest they did not need it. You are right, they need it, but first you have to design the aircraft, then you can start building the assembly line.

Maybe I should rephrase my question: How can they put it to temporary use ?



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30926 posts, RR: 87
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6856 times:
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I imagine first France and Germany have to determine who gets final assembly rights to the A350XWB and who gets major sub-assembly rights.

If, for example, the A350XWB is assembled in Hamburg, then the A300/A310 building might work well as a "fuselage barrel integration" site.

Also, if all A380 sub-assembly works moves to TLS to join A380 final assembly, then perhaps that building could be used in support of that role.


User currently offlineBrettFromCLT From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6841 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 4):
Maybe I should rephrase my question: How can they put it to temporary use ?

Big honkin car wash? Roller skating rink?  duck 


User currently offlineGbfra From Germany, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6773 times:

The current state of discussions at EADS/Airbus is:

The assembly of the A380 will remain as it is.

The A350 will be assembled at Toulouse.

The assembly of the A330 could be moved to Hamburg as a small compensation for the A350, but I'm not sure that they will agree on this.

Regards
gbfra



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User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6559 times:
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Do like we do with every other old building here in the states - make it into a condo and a Starbucks  Wink


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 971 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6546 times:

Quoting A342 (Thread starter):
So here's my question: How can Airbus put it to the best possible use ? The buildings seem too small to open another A330/340 line, and I doubt yet another A32S line is needed.

IIRC, the A300 "line" is essentially a single assembly bay not much larger than a widebody hanger. I.E. too small for final assembly of any model they expect to deliver more than 1 unit/month.

Quoting A342 (Thread starter):
Might be the demolition of it be the best solution, so other facilities can be built there ? I know there was talk about this so the A350 line can be built, but I think this is not that urgent.

The initial plan was to run the A350 down the same A330/A340 line, but changes in tooling have likely nixed those plans. If a new assembly bay is needed, then they will consider all the options and do what's best.

A.net has some very wise industry insiders, but I will be very surprised if there's anyone who can give you the answer you're looking for. This is a rather obscure (although somewhat interesting) topic, so it will likely remain confined to speculation. Hope that helps!


User currently offlineJonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6457 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):
No brainer---A350 line. Nough said!

A very bold statement if you have actually seen the A300 line and its surroundings...

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 9):
IIRC, the A300 "line" is essentially a single assembly bay not much larger than a widebody hanger.

The A300-A310 line was built by basically installing a roof over the two outside walls of the Caravelle and Concorde lines (which are today used for the ATR and A320).
As you say, it has nothing in common with the A380 and A330-A340 hangars: the aircraft are assembled, tested and finished in a line and all aircraft are moved at the same time. The A320 line is very similar.
The A330-A340 is fully modular: aircraft are put in multi-purpose bays and not physically moved once the main parts have been joined. The A380 line is similar.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6428 times:

Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 10):
As you say, it has nothing in common with the A380 and A330-A340 hangars: the aircraft are assembled, tested and finished in a line and all aircraft are moved at the same time. The A320 line is very similar.
The A330-A340 is fully modular: aircraft are put in multi-purpose bays and not physically moved once the main parts have been joined. The A380 line is similar.

Interesting so the "older" lines have more in common with the way that cars are built (and the T7)?


User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6387 times:

Does anybody have any pictures of the Airbus lines.

Tom.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6073 times:

Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 10):
The A300-A310 line was built by basically installing a roof over the two outside walls of the Caravelle and Concorde lines (which are today used for the ATR and A320).

This makes me wonder what would occur if Finmeccanica succeeded in their bid for the 50% of ATR they don't own. Would EADS allow them to use that space, or would production have to be moved to an Alenia facility?



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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1821 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5989 times:

What about making it an Aviation Museum? Surely it will look good as a museum.


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

Thanks for all the replies !

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 14):
What about making it an Aviation Museum? Surely it will look good as a museum.

France already has the big Le Bourget museum, so I think, unfortunately, that this historic spot of European aircraft production will not become a museum.



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5113 times:

Store unsold A380's.....  duck 

User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5060 times:

Paint hangar?

Inside Completion center for A330/340/350 or even A380?

Does a 380 even fit in there?

Develop some kind of third party Airbus maintenance contractor?

Indoor swimming pool for employees?



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User currently offlineBAe146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5016 times:

Leave it fallow. Distract the taxpayers, (who will in part have paid for it) by flying the A380 past them a few times. Wait for it to be forgotten then propose the site is used for the 2016 Olympics. Drink some Champagne.

Job done.



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