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User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1639 posts, RR: 8
Posted (14 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4529 times:

Does anyone out there know what the top 10 most profitable routes in the world are? I guess it is impossible to really know but I'd like to hear what you think they may be.

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User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (14 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

Hello,

CDG-CVG
As reported in the French business magazine "Management", CDG-CVG is a very popular route and certainly one of the most profitable.

Sabena used to operate this route and had declared BRU-CVG was their transatlantic most profitable route. They had started with an A340-200 but quickly upgraded the route with the 747-300 (their largest aircraft at the time).

SFO-LHR
Some people have reported, in this forum, that is among the most profitable routes for United Airlines and British Airways. IIRC this is one of the routes UAL put the 747-400 at first on Europe.

Best regards,
Alain Mengus


User currently offlineCNBC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4307 times:

I don't know about profitability, but I do know what the top three most flown routes are everyday in terms of passengers (in the U.S.).

1. New York-Orlando
2. New York-Los Angeles
3. New York-San Francisco


User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1639 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (14 years 3 days ago) and read 4305 times:

I guess I should give my own 2 cents worth... again I know profitability is hard to define but I could imagine the following;

New York-Los Angeles
New York-Chicago
Chicago-Los Angeles
New York-Miami
London-New York
London-Hong Kong
Tokyo-San Francisco
Tokyo-Hong Kong
Paris-New York
London-Washington DC

If you look at high density routes maybe some of these fall into high profit making services;

Los Angeles - San Francisco
London - Paris
New York - Boston
Sydney - Melbourne
Hong Kong - Taipei
Montreal - Toronto
Rio - Sao Paulo
Frankfurt - Munich
Tokyo - Osaka
New York - Atlanta
Dallas - Chicago


User currently offlineBostonBeau From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (14 years 3 days ago) and read 4281 times:

I would wonder where the BOS/LGA/DCA shuttles rank, since the fares are kept so high on weekdays.

User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4265 times:

My coworker who helps create airline agreements with large companies has told me that transcontinental LAX-NYC and SFO-NYC are THE most profitable for the major US airlines, given the high number of full fare business travelers. (And trust me, transcon full-fare is VERY high).

User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2069 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (14 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4248 times:

I know for CO, LAX-IAH and IAH-EWR are money making machines for them given their dominance, frequencies and number of high yield tickets sold on the route.

User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1639 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (14 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4233 times:

If you look at the big US carriers and their main trunkline routes it would seem they must make a ton of money on them.. any route betweem these cities New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, San Francisco, Atlanta, Miami, Detroit, Houston, Washington, Philadelphia and Minneapolis must do well unless competition really destroys their margin... which I doubt since first and business class is probably full or near full most of the time into these key centers. I guess my question then is whether the top 10 most profitable routes includes any outside the continental USA?


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (14 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4232 times:

TPE-HKG is one of the most profitable route.

User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (14 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4231 times:

Expanding on Klwright69's idea, I would imagine that an airline that dominated a certain airport (NW at MEM, UA at DEN, US at CLT to name a few) would most likely pick up their highest levels of revenue, if not profit, off of routes from those cities. Since they by-and-large own that airport, they can charge as high a rate as they want, because the market will pay that fare. I can't sit here and name certain profitable routes, but I would imagine that heavily traveled shuttle and transcon routes would be among the tops.

Tom in NO (at MSY)

P.S. How you doing, Doug?!



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User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1639 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (14 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

Hey Tom! Good to hear from ya  .. How's MSY doing these days?

So in the end airlines make most of their money from business and first class full fare fliers.. what brings in the most profit, highest margin and best yields? Long haul (Tokyo-London) or high frequency short haul (Washington DC - New York)

I hear Air Canada makes about 70% of it's revenue from Toronto seeing it is the central hub for it's operations. I'd be curious to know it their profit comes from routes like Toronto-Tokyo or Montreal-Toronto?


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (14 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

Tom --
I will be making my first journey to New Orleans next weekend (to enjoy Halloween, of course!). Anything I should look for in particular? Anything interesting?

I'll be arriving on United (from DEN) and I'll be leaving on Continental to Newark.


User currently offlineNicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (14 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

One of the most profitable route in Canada (and maybe also the world?) is YUL - YYZ Air Canada have almost 30 flights daily, and some 767 and A330 fly this route !!!

Nicolas Bourbillon
Montreal, Canada


User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (14 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4189 times:

how come so many people fly daily between montreal and toronto? are they all businessmen?


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User currently offlineNicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4174 times:

Yes flights are mostl packed up with businessmans.

Nicolas Bourbillon
Montreal, Canada


User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (14 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

Any international destination involving LHR
US domestic would be
LAX-DCA
JFK-LAX
EWR-SFO
DCA-LGA-BOS shuttle service on Delta and US Airways



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User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1639 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (14 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

Re: VirginA340: Out of London, i'd say major routes are;
LHR-NRt
LHR-HKG
LHR-SYD
LHR-JNB
LHR-JFK
LHR-EWR
LHR-LAX
LHR-ATL
LHR-DFW
LHR-ORD
LHR-MIA
LHR-SFO
LHR-DEN
LHR-DXB
LHR-DHA
LHR-BGI
LHR-YYZ
LHR-CDG

..and there are probably a few more US cities you could include.. now, of these I wish I knew which were in the global top 10 for making money.. New York for sure and probably Los Angeles and Chicago.


User currently offlineSR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (14 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4143 times:

Swissair's most profitable route last year was GVA-JFK, known as the UN-shuttle.

User currently offlineDelta15 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 617 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (14 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4123 times:

Deltas most profitable route is richmond to Atlanta. Very expensive, high loads, first class almost always full

User currently offlineTxAgKuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (14 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4122 times:

Anecdotal evidence is usually wrong. Thus I tried to go about this business "scientifically".

Using DOT data looked at the yield and # of daily pax on every route in the US.

You could have a yield of, say, 3 bucks a mile.....but if you didn't carry very many pax it would not suggest the route is real profitable.

By the same token you could carry 10,000 passengers a day between two points...but if the yield was a nickel a mile and your costs were a dime per ASM...that wouldn't indicate it being very profitable either.

So what I did was took the (yield per RPM - 10 cents ) times the number of pax per day to give me a profitability index.

That being done, here are the top 20 in the US...

origin destination distance Daily Psgrs Avg Fare Dom Carrier
BOSTON, MA NEW YORK, NY 185 6361 140 DL
NEW YORK, NY WASHINGTON, DC 214 5787 127 DL
CHICAGO, IL NEW YORK, NY 727 7214 222 UA
CHICAGO, IL MINNEAPOLIS, MN 344 2996 188 NW
DALLAS, TX HOUSTON, TX 236 5487 81 WN
LAS VEGAS, NV LOS ANGELES, CA 236 5448 64 WN
CHICAGO, IL DETROIT, MI 233 3732 80 NW
BOSTON, MA WASHINGTON, DC 407 3771 124 US
BOSTON, MA PHILADELPHIA, PA 280 1593 160 US
AUSTIN, TX DALLAS, TX 183 2072 82 WN
ATLANTA, GA NEW YORK, NY 755 6424 159 DL
NEW YORK, NY PITTSBURGH, PA 329 1379 202 US
LOS ANGELES, CA SAN FRANCISCO, CA 337 4853 82 UA
CHICAGO, IL ST. LOUIS, MO 251 2628 86 WN
CLEVELAND, OH NEW YORK, NY 411 1235 241 CO
CHICAGO, IL DALLAS, TX 800 2916 243 AA
ATLANTA, GA WASHINGTON, DC 539 3615 139 DL
PORTLAND, OR SEATTLE, WA 129 654 112 AS
CHICAGO, IL PHILADELPHIA, PA 678 2078 230 UA
BUFFALO, NY NEW YORK, NY 292 1326 137 US


User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (14 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

Caribb,

You ommitted three of the most profitable routes for both BA and BD out of LHR to GLA, EDI and MAN. Even with accelerated rail services and cheaper rail fares, these three routes are major slot fillers at Heathrow (and you can take that comment in its Las Vegas or its runway use version - means the same thing!!!)


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (14 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4104 times:

According to British Airways, London Gatwick (LGW) - Denver (DEN) is extremely profitable. Now I'm not sure if its in the top 10 but it might be. Flights are always full to capacity and according to airport officials British Airways is getting a extremely good deal for maintenance at the airport. When British Airways started the service to Denver, they used the 777. About 2 years later they switched to the 747-400 to keep up with the demand. Surprisingly, the 747-400 is still not enough to cope with this flight.


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User currently offlineAio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 928 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (14 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

I didn't get to read all of the posts but I believe that JFK-LHR is a very popular and most likely profitable route. There are 22 non-stops on an average day. They are.
United: 767 x3
American: 777 x2, 767 x2, A-300 x2,
Virgin Atlantic: 747 x 2, A-340 x1
British Airways: 747 x6, Concorde x2 (Once this plane starts flying again, I don't know what they're doing in the meantime)
Air India: 747 x 1
Kuwait Airlines 777 x1
Sorry I don't know which models of 767, 340s and 747s they are. But if the average 767 holds 200 (Since UA and AA have 3 class seating, the average 777 holds 350, A-300 has 200(same as 767, 747 has 400 and Concorde has 100 (Although the flights are almost never full) that means that at full capasity there can be over 3,800 passangers a day, and that is rounding down. I imagine this must be very profitable or else the 6 airlines wouldn't fly them.
Hope this helps,
Aaron


User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1639 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (14 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4069 times:

PhilB: Thanks for adding them into the list. I'm not sure how short haul high frequency routes compare to long haul low frequency intercontinetal flights, do you? NRT-LHR versus LHR-GLA.. I'm sure BA counts on both to bring in money but which brings in the most in the end. NRT would be a high yielding route I would imagine.. Glasgow too but on a lower fare and shorter distance.

TxAgKuwait: Interesting analysis. Everything is based on the 10 cent yield per RPM. It would be nice to know the actual figure per route. Given the costs of operating an aircraft on a high frequency short haul route I can see why long haul flights are conventionally known to be more profitable.. keep the plane at cruise level where it costs less to operate and charge a high fare thereby making passenger yields higher over a longer distance. In the end though do these routes out perform the volume of say Atlanta-New York?


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (14 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

Im sure LHR-Australia routes are very profitable. London-New York is very profitable as is UK flights to Newark.


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25 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : Sure, CVG makes tons of money - so why are there only 3 destinations (FRA, LGW, CDG) with 5 daily flights, all served by DL or their partner AF. By th
26 Grasshopper : Hello, i am new to this board and I am from Zuerich and this seems like an interesting topic. Hong Kong and Singapore 's have heavy traffic between th
27 777gk : Newark-Raleigh/Durham is an extremely profitable route for Continental and Midway, currently the only two airlines operating it.
28 Caribb : I suppose competition can really cut into profits. Look at Montreal-Barbados: Only flown by Air Canada and no charter airlines.. high airfare year rou
29 JaseWGTN : As a guess, what about the routes between Japan and the US. I have heard that some of the flights have more Business Class seats on them than Coach Cl
30 Aio86 : Hey Caribb, about the JFK-LHR question, see my earlier post I wrote (about halfway through.) There are about 6800 people that can be flown on that rou
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