ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 4999 posts, RR: 41 Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 weeks ago) and read 1876 times:
Only two airlines but with many flights to three different airports in London: LX to LHR and LCY, BA to LHR and LGW. The competition between these two airlines is hard (different alliances) and the prices not too high. I am not sure if any other airline is interested. If yes, then not to London but probably other cities.
ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 4999 posts, RR: 41 Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 weeks ago) and read 1854 times:
Quoting AirCop (Reply 2): Perhaps its government regulations also plays a factor that limits the number of airliners between the two countries?
No not at all. Switzerland has with the EU so called bilateral agreements on many topics incl. civil aviation. Therefore any Swiss airline is regarded like an EU airline and any EU airline like a Swiss airline. That means that Swiss airlines are allowed to fly to any point within the EU and any EU airline from any to any point in Switzerland with as many flights as they like.
BA From United States, joined May 2000, 10724 posts, RR: 72 Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 weeks ago) and read 1847 times:
Quoting AirCop (Reply 2): Perhaps its government regulations also plays a factor that limits the number of airliners between the two countries?
The European Union has created a free open market for European airlines flying within the EU. While Switzerland is not part of the EU, it signed an agreement with the EU to be part of this free open market.
SR100 From Switzerland, joined Dec 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 weeks ago) and read 1830 times:
Who else should fly?
Zurich used to have EasyJet flights to Luton, but then they claimed that taxes are to high and ZRH is not suited for a LCC operation, hence stopped serving ZRH. And ZRH is not the airport for a carrier such as Ryanair.
Who is left on the British side out of any of the five London airports? bmi from LHR? Makes no sense as a Star Alliance Member.
Thomsonfly from LTN, or Monarch? Yes, they have winter ski tourist flights, but this is not what you are looking for.
VLM from LCY? Not with this jet competition by LX.
In the 1950s to the early 1970s, ZRH used to have BOAC flights on the way to/from Africa and the Far East. Let's revive this idea and bring Virgin Atlantic to ZRH on their way to... No serious idea. And we used to have Dan Air flights, but today, there is no other carrier than BA out of London.
Knightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 651 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1790 times:
A very long time Air Europe flew from Gatwick to ZRH until they went bust. Air UK used to fly with the F. 100 to Stansted but that wasn't a success and even BMA, as they were then still called operated a number of daily flights to LHR, including a night-stop in ZRH. But they gave up pretty soon too.
RJ100 From Russia, joined Nov 2000, 4039 posts, RR: 51 Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1683 times:
Unique management simply does not realize that many (if not most) people simply want to fly from A to B for a price as low as possible. They don't want to see Gucci, Bally, Rolex stores at the airport- and don't want to pay for it.
Zurich is not doing bad, mainly due to LX increasing the network. But they definitely are way behind other big European airports such as Madrid or Munich who seem to be more flexible in offering different products (Madrid sees new bases of easyJet and Ryanair while Munich sees an increasing presence of low fare airlines in general).
One reason is also that Swiss is doing price dumping in ZRH as soon as a new carrier wants to open a route (that's one of the reasons why Helvetic never flew succesfully).
Regards,
RJ100
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ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 4999 posts, RR: 41 Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1651 times:
Zurich is actually by fare not the most expensive airport in Europe. LHR for example is more expensive and others too. I try to find a list in the internet, I once saw. Though Zurich is not cheap. I am not sure if ZRH even wants airlines like Ryanair here. I actually don't miss them. There are not too many good slots left.
RJ100 From Russia, joined Nov 2000, 4039 posts, RR: 51 Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1608 times:
Quoting ZRH (Reply 13): Zurich is actually by fare not the most expensive airport in Europe. LHR for example is more expensive and others too.
I did not say it's the most expensive airport. Just too expensive for the majority of low cost airlines. And Heathrow isn't famous for their low cost friendliness either
Regards,
RJ100
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LTU932 From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 12264 posts, RR: 58 Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1586 times:
Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 3): No not at all. Switzerland has with the EU so called bilateral agreements on many topics incl. civil aviation. Therefore any Swiss airline is regarded like an EU airline and any EU airline like a Swiss airline. That means that Swiss airlines are allowed to fly to any point within the EU and any EU airline from any to any point in Switzerland with as many flights as they like.
So basically, Switzerland is part of the EU Open Skies treaty, right?
Quoting Ari (Reply 14): IIRC...don't SQ still fly their B744s to MAN via ZRH like 2x per week?!
Yes, they do but that will end sometime next January I believe, when the plane only makes the turnaround for ZRH-SIN and when SQ introduces the 77W.
Zu fettigem Käse und kalorienreicher Kunstmarmelade, nehme ich einen Doppelkorn.
TurkishWings From Turkey, joined May 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1469 times:
The Swiss Low-Cost (!!!) airline Helvetic flew ZRH-LGW for a while. I flew in one of their F-100s. They introduced very cheap promotional fares for the first few weeks so I only paid about 80 CHF for a return trip in 2004.
It's funny no one remembered but U2 also flew from ZRH to UK for a good while. The airport was too expensive for them so they stopped....
RJ100 From Russia, joined Nov 2000, 4039 posts, RR: 51 Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1427 times:
Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 19): It's funny no one remembered but U2 also flew from ZRH to UK for a good while. The airport was too expensive for them so they stopped....
Taxes were only one part of the easyJet story in ZRH. Another reason is that low fare airlines are interested in a minimum ground time. They simply lose too much time in Zurich on the ground. easyJet also realized better market perspectives in nearby BSL, in specific an attractive but underserved market.
Regards,
RJ100
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StarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1367 times:
Zurich isnt a major tourist destination with british people...
not having the chavvy image and being quite expensive to visit, means the alcoholarmy goes somewhere else..
hence the budgets stay away.
Personally, I like it this way Zurich is a fantastic city and I love it.
Fares for BA and LX are pretty reasonable, in fact much more competitive than other places in europe served by RyanAir etc..
So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
Thediplomat From Ireland, joined Jun 2006, 62 posts, RR: 7 Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1259 times:
The whole "unique" name really explains everything there is to know about ZRH - the airport spent over 800k francs on a brand that adds nothing to the airport.
Doing well, at the expense of passenger growth - and my wallet. NO thanks.
EasyJet, Europe’s largest low-cost carrier, chose to stop flying to Switzerland’s premier airport, which represented the most expensive airport in its network. The Zurich to London Luton route was profitable, but revenues had been impacted by a precipitous 132-percent passenger fee hike at the Zurich airport over the past two years. When easyJet began offering flights to Zurich, passenger fees were assessed at Sfr. 15.50 (USD13); effective September 1, the airport will charge Sfr. 36 (USD29) per passenger.
Quoting RJ100 (Reply 12): Unique management simply does not realize that many (if not most) people simply want to fly from A to B for a price as low as possible. They don't want to see Gucci, Bally, Rolex stores at the airport- and don't want to pay for it
Exactly - you have it in one... ZRH has forgotten who is boss - and think they are - a very arrogant management team.
Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 13): Zurich is actually by fare not the most expensive airport in Europe. LHR for example is more expensive and others too
ZRH is amongst the most expensive major airports in europe.
Quoting RJ100 (Reply 20): They simply lose too much time in Zurich on the ground
Expensive, and inefficient also!
Perhaps I should have called myself the Duplomat or the laundromat!
ZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1238 times:
I agree, unique's management is ignorant and selfish, but as long as they are profitable i cant blame them. And as for Easyjet, i dont particularely dislike not seeing them here. AB has proven that you can operate successfully out of ZRH, even as an LCC.
If you dislike ZRH that much, just avoid it, one passenger more or less wont hurt them.
As for ZRH's terminal facilities, they are just great, countless of TR's on this website suggest the same.
Swissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1401 posts, RR: 10 Reply 25, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1237 times:
Quoting Thediplomat (Reply 23): Doing well, at the expense of passenger growth - and my wallet. NO thanks.
Agree but we as pax have not to much of a choice.....
Quoting Thediplomat (Reply 23): They simply lose too much time in Zurich on the ground
That is a general problem with the bigger airports just like WS in Canada, what do you think where they loose less time: YYZ or YWG??
If BSL would not have been there U2 would not have much of a choice??
Quoting Thediplomat (Reply 23): Exactly - you have it in one... ZRH has forgotten who is boss - and think they are - a very arrogant management team.
Could not agree more
Cheers,
26 ScottishLaddie: Indeed they have, and so have Flyglobespan for a daily B736! That's the suprising one. Beginning of timetable Summer 07.
27 Viscount724: Regardless of the criticism of ZRH, it's still by far my preferred connecting hub. Much less chaos and confusion than other major hubs. I connect at
28 Knightsofmalta: I don't know what your hang-ups with ZRH airport are about, but the one thing ZRH definitely isn't is inefficient. Other than that, the LCC are not t
29 RJ100: ZRH is certainly less efficient than other airports around. Compare it to BSL and look at ground times. It will allow you to fly another flight each d
30 Sv2008: I flew LTN-ZRH in 2000 on easyjet - I wondered why they stopped. (I wasn't actually going to Zurich, we had a 2 hr train ride to where we were going.
31 Knightsofmalta: That's exactly my point. For airlines like Easyjet or Skyeurope the move to BSL definitely made perfect sense because the whole operation at BSL can
32 Swissy: Perhaps we should compare similar size of airports to begin with, or how efficient would BSL be if they would be the same size...... Same for me Arro
33 RJ100: Then take Stansted, Gatwick, Munich, Barcelona, Madrid etc. , all airports who serve more pssengers than Zurich does. But all airport seem to attract
34 BestWestern: = the zurich problem. Profitable at our (the passengers) expense, rather than trying lower costs, improving the ground time, etc. Yet again, LH group
35 ZRHnerd: What is it with all the LCC hype? Quite frankly i'm more than happy we don't have any of the likes of U2 or FR here. LX, BA, AF etc. all offer great f
36 Pe@rson: Hear hear, BestWestern! Fact is, we have no idea whatever whether a route or a base is profitable. And we won't.
37 ZRHnerd: Would be nice to find out though, because i'm almost sure if they were not profitable, they would have pulled out ages ago rather than adding new rou
38 Pe@rson: That is a fair argument, but then so is putting more resources to hopefully earn a profit while spreading the risks. Besides, if X route was unprofit
39 ZRHnerd: I agree, but seeing as AB has been here from almost the beginning of their operations, they must have tried that in case they did not earn any money
40 RJ100: Well, they just dropped FRA (4x daily) and FCO (daily). They have only routes to some important German destinations and Mallorca. Now they start to o
41 ZRHnerd: Which are both major European hubs, so that might not be solely because of ZRH.
42 BestWestern: There is also the issue of what the shareholders may think. Pulling a hub would make them feel edgy, and cause a massive drop in shareprices - Air Be
43 BestWestern: Amazing that AF dont even fly to ZRH using AF mainline equipment... its just too expensive and probably the only major European commercial capital th
44 ZRHnerd: It is not, considering all the additional costs like travel costs of just getting to the airport which they fly out of, which is mostly located miles
45 RJ100: Ehm sorry, but I wouldn't call BSL miles away from everything. And the same goes for Madrid, Barcelona etc. Cheers RJ100
46 BestWestern: RJ the nerd is right - madrid is miles away from Zurich! I keep forgetting that LX have average fares just as low as Ryanair and Easyjet.... Silly me
47 ZRHnerd: What about LTN, Frankfurt-Hahn, Charleroi, Tampere, the list goes on. And yes, BSL IS considerably far away from ZRH, actually as far away that it is
48 RJ100: @ZRHnerd: Switzerland is a large city. Compare it to London where traffic is split between various airports. People from BSL travel to ZRH to take fli
49 ZRHnerd: Yeah i've been in LTN, was forced to fly on U2 because my class decided to do so But that was a few years back, ive heard good things about LTN ever
50 Thediplomat: You pick up on the sarcasm, yet ignore facts - such as the lack of AF mainline in such a critical european commercial capital. This is a classic mono
51 IrishMD11: If my memory is correct, the new Kloten airport, with it's midfield dock "E Terminal" was concieved sometime in the 80's, the years when Swissair was
52 Knightsofmalta: Are you talking of when Crossair started flights from BSL to STN until SR handed over traffice rights for BSL-Heathrow to them?
54 Knightsofmalta: I'm trying to figure out what the hell he's talking about?!?!? But I don't recall SwissairExpress ever flying to STN for Swissair either. I think he m
55 RJ100: I'm sure it is about Swissair Express and Flightline (who operated the flights). Obviously the flights lasted only a few weeks, that's why noone can r
56 Teahan: Always fun to see people hostile towards LCCs. Goal was not a low-cost product/low-fares but rather to lower costs on poorly performing routes. The tw
57 Bestwestern: The flightline swissair express service lasted about six months. It was the time when full service carriers were trying to break the start of the low
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