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US Airways Closed To Muslims?  
User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 902 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 14783 times:

Watching the news I see that you are not allowed to pray before a flight with USairways and if you do you will be taken of the aircraft in handcuffs and interviewed . Then because of the airline you have missed the flight and you will not be allowed to fly unless you but a new ticket!! Freedom I do not think so and I certainly will not be selling USAirways tickets if they treat the customers like that. The ticket clerk was very officous and dreogartory to the customers and as we would call it in the UK " Snotty". There is no need and it seems to prove that the US is a paranoid country.
I am not a muslim but was very disturbed watching this clip as to the customer service level of USAirways.

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User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 849 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 14728 times:

Keep in mind what you see in the news is highly edited.


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13554 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 14710 times:
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Quoting Rdwootty (Thread starter):
Watching the news I see that you are not allowed to pray before a flight with USairways and if you do you will be taken of the aircraft in handcuffs and interviewed .

What a ridiculous comment.  sarcastic 

Quoting Rdwootty (Thread starter):
There is no need and it seems to prove that the US is a paranoid country.

Take your views to non-av, pal - you can bash the U.S. all you want in there. Let's keep this forum to rational discussion of civil aviation, m'kay?



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User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 14712 times:

Stop being so self righteous. The people that hijacked 4 airplanes and murdered 3000 people on 9/11/01 did it in the name of Islam.

All Muslims may not be terrorist, but the religion is used as an excuse for terrorism, and as such If I see 6 middle eastern passengers praying together before a flight and then sitting separately I would be suspicious too.

US airways did the right thing, there was no other option but to question them, if there had been a air marshal in the flight then he could have done it without having to take them off.

I have not read anywhere that they were not offered compensation for the delay, but if this is the case then THIS was wrong and US should have fixed their travel arrangement.

It is very easy to say I would have done differently, but you dont know in the heat of a situation, with YOUR life possibly threatened, if you would have done the same, these 6 men may not have been terrorist, but they sure as hell fit the profile.

In the words of Carlos Mencia; when saying that if he were an airport screener hed only screen arabs, "When an Arab would ask me why I only check him, I would point to the pictures of the terrorist and say you look like number 3 and number 10 check him twice"

And if US looses you as a customer then boo hoo, they could care less, they have gained many more by proving they care MORE about safety than about political correctness.

[Edited 2006-11-22 21:50:15]

User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14660 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 3):
Stop being so self righteous. The people that hijacked 4 airplanes and murdered 3000 people on 9/11/01 did it in the name of Islam.

I don't know if I can fully agree with that statement...

Quoting Luisca (Reply 3):
US airways did the right thing, there was no other option but to question them, if there had been a air marshal in the flight then he could have done it without having to take them off.

However I can say I fully agree with that one.

I don't get why US Airways is the airline everyone loves to hate. They are a company that moves aircraft around full of people for a living, you don't like them don't fly them, but it always seems anytime they do something different or get on the news, people come out of the woodwork proclaiming how horriable and bad of a company they are. It baffles me.



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User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14657 times:

I've suggested deletion.

If you think what happened on US Airways would not happen on other airlines, you are sadly mistaken. Just imagine how things would have worked out if they had simply left the plane when the captain asked. People close to the situation are suggesting that these men were trying to see how far they could take things simply for the publicity. I'm certain the Imams are not the victims.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14595 times:

Quoting AviatorTJ (Reply 5):
If you think what happened on US Airways would not happen on other airlines, you are sadly mistaken

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This was more pax paranoia than US' fault the FA just responded to the story she got from the Passenger. Which was embellished quite a bit. We are letting the terrorists win again. We are scared when some body prays in the gate?


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14582 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 3):
I have not read anywhere that they were not offered compensation for the delay, but if this is the case then THIS was wrong and US should have fixed their travel arrangement.

Not only that they were not offered compensation, but after they were given the "all clear" by the authorities, US refused to allow them to purchase a ticket back..they wound up flying on NW

Quoting Luisca (Reply 3):
All Muslims may not be terrorist, but the religion is used as an excuse for terrorism, and as such If I see 6 middle eastern passengers praying together before a flight and then sitting separately I would be suspicious too.

Racism and stupidity at its finest...nice to know it still exists in the United States.... sarcastic 

Quoting Luisca (Reply 3):
US airways did the right thing, there was no other option but to question them

"no other option"? it looks like as if the media originally got 1/2 the story wrong as it was....the did nothing wrong..they are guilty of the way they look and their race

Quoting Luisca (Reply 3):

In the words of Carlos Mencia; when saying that if he were an airport screener hed only screen arabs, "When an Arab would ask me why I only check him, I would point to the pictures of the terrorist and say you look like number 3 and number 10 check him twic

what a stupid and ignorant comment to make..I guess idiocy likes company.. sarcastic ..



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User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 902 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14578 times:

You are quite right in that the airline must ensure the safety of the passengers. However it was very clear from the TV that USAirways did not consider the customers needs and as stated above the ticket counter girl did herself and the airline no favours at all. Just thinking that maybe there are more muslims in the US than in the middle east so it needs some sort of understanding from the "other" citizens if the Muslims wish to travel. It is such a pity that EA CO etc seems to think I am anti American I am not but there needs to be understanding of travellers needs. Interestingly at BHX they were the first European airport to install a wudu and a prayer room. Is this provided at US Airports?

User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14561 times:

I don't care if someone's yelling "Allah, allah, allah" or "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus" down the jetway or on the plane. This isn't the place for it! Keep it to yourself! If you have to pray enough to cause disruption, schedule your flight at a different time, Jew, Muslim, Catholic.

User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6431 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14558 times:

Remember that an airline ticket is a contract. That contract has conditions, including:

When pax are ordered to board the plane, then they board.

When pax are ordered to sit in their seat with a fastened seat belt, then...

Etc.

When pax stick to their part of the contract, then the airline should do what they can to stick to their part - to bring pax from A to B.

When pax do not stick to their part of the contract, then the contract is cancelled.

Handcuffs come to use when pax disagree with contract conditions in a physical way.

It is no more complicated than that. And it's nothing special for USairways.



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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4763 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14543 times:
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Quoting Luisca (Reply 3):
All Muslims may not be terrorist, but the religion is used as an excuse for terrorism, and as such If I see 6 middle eastern passengers praying together before a flight and then sitting separately I would be suspicious too.

so if I see several white men pray together before a flight and then seperate I should be worried about another Oklahoma City ?? Gee, guess I will have to tell the guys next time before going to our AirGuard duty not to do bible study!


User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14546 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 3):
Stop being so self righteous. The people that hijacked 4 airplanes and murdered 3000 people on 9/11/01 did it in the name of Islam.

Oh I see....just like how people involved in the Northern Ireland conflict used to bomb sites in London etc. did it in the name of Christianity?

No it's all about power and greed and by acting in a racist and arrogant matter you've lowered yourself to their level.

Remember those people who hijacked the 4 planes and committed the horrific murder of 3000 people came from Saudi Arabia and Egypt yet the dictators in those countries are still in power and the rest swept under the rug....

Hello pot, it's the kettle calling.

Cheers,
Kaz

[Edited 2006-11-22 22:15:41]


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User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 849 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14528 times:

Yes some airports in the USA provide ecumenical rooms of prayer for pax. ABQ has one.


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User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14510 times:

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 13):
Yes some airports in the USA provide ecumenical rooms of prayer for pax. ABQ has one.

That seems to be a good idea.

Maybe I am missing something, but prayer is a private conversation between you and whatever power you define, why the need for the extra actions? Its illogical to ban prayer from the gate area, or on aircraft because no rules can ban your thoughts, however shouldn't common sense by all parties be applied? Religious fanatics are to blame for what has been happening, and like what had been said before, it doesn't matter who is being prayed too, if someone runs down the isle of the aircraft yelling "ALLAH HERE I COME" or "JESUS HERE I COME" they're going to get the same treatment.



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User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14455 times:

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 11):

so if I see several white men pray together before a flight and then seperate I should be worried about another Oklahoma City ?? Gee, guess I will have to tell the guys next time before going to our AirGuard duty not to do bible study!

Hell yes you should be worried. A group like that that goes together, then separates is suspicious on some level. And just to play devil's advocate, everyone likes to bring up the federal building in OK. That happened once, right? How many other times has a white male killed that many people?

Edited to add: Also consider the venue. What group has killed the most people with airplanes? Fertilizer? Guns?

[Edited 2006-11-22 22:22:40]

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7569 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14430 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 3):
Stop being so self righteous. The people that hijacked 4 airplanes and murdered 3000 people on 9/11/01 did it in the name of Islam.

People of all different religions terrorise in the name of them and its a shame. Islam is a peaceful religion and its a shame that a few bad apples ruin it for the other 99+% of muslims who are peaceful. Christianity has just as much a bloddy record. Fundimentalism is a bad thing.

I appolgize, but I had to vent.



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User currently offlineTravellin'man From United States of America, joined May 2001, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14402 times:

What comes up here in this thread, and in the one closed earlier today is that the sight of Muslims praying is believed to justifiably provoke revulsion and fear, and actions based on that paranoia, not instead on critical judgment. There are 1 billion Muslims in this world, I think as many 5 million Arab Americans in the US, most of whom are Muslim. Many of them pray, and pray for the same things that most Christians pray for: peace, happiness, health, a resolution to the world's problems. Fake arguments about how people shouldn't pray in public disguise this rejection of a ritual which is eminently human and non-intrusive. To see Muslims and immediately launch into justifications for why they might be terrorists is like people in the 50's saying they felt justified branding black people as rapists, murderers, and thieves, and therefore subject to all kinds of harassment.

Praying is not suspicious behaviour. Learn to see cultural differences for what they are: simply that, not in and of themselves automatic indicators of anti-social behaviour. Just because it doesn't appear "normal" doesn't make it bad; it's just different, and its difference enriches our national texture as the most diverse country on the planet. Our ability to survive and thrive depends on our being intelligent about these things, not equating 19 hijackers with 1/6 of the world's population, just as anyone as a Westerner (in their right minds) would not like to be equated with Hitler for wearing pants or some other surface similarity of no real value.



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User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14388 times:

Quoting AviatorTJ (Reply 15):
Hell yes you should be worried. A group like that that goes together, then separates is suspicious on some level. And just to play devil's advocate, everyone likes to bring up the federal building in OK. That happened once, right? How many other times has a white male killed that many people?

Thats right, I for once will not let PC compromise safety, I am sick of how people immediately label someone a racist simply because of advocating profiling. People conveniently forget that If we have another terrorist attack much much much more likely than not it will be carried out by a Muslim terrorist group than some crazy fundamentalist redneck.

Any suspicious behavior while traveling is reason for investigation, and praying in group and sitting separately is suspicious, whether your Muslim, Christian, Hindu or scientologist.


User currently offlineNaritaflyer From Japan, joined Apr 2006, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14379 times:

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 11):
so if I see several white men pray together before a flight and then seperate I should be worried about another Oklahoma City ?? Gee, guess I will have to tell the guys next time before going to our AirGuard duty not to do bible study!

No, you don't understand. This does not apply to white people but it applies to non-whites in the eyes of white people. White person who speaks English is above reproach. Didn't you know that?


User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14322 times:

Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 19):
No, you don't understand. This does not apply to white people but it applies to non-whites in the eyes of white people. White person who speaks English is above reproach. Didn't you know that?

I understand were your coming from but I just have to say that all cultures are guilty of racism, Blacks, Whites, Latins, Arabs, Japanese, Chinese they all have racism.

Racism is not a white only club, I have seen it in Latin America, I have seen it in the US, didn't Japan Murder thousands of Chinese because they were "Inferior"?

I am Latin, and the only time I have experienced racist insults, etc. in the US was once and you know who the offenders where? three black men.


User currently offlineTravellin'man From United States of America, joined May 2001, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14302 times:

If this had been a group of Catholic priests or Pentecostalist preachers, even Jewish rabbis, conducting a prayer together in hushed voices, without wild and flamboyant gestures, people would have noticed them, but not assigned any negative value judgment to them. No one would have assumed they were terrorists, or expressed any resentment that they were conducting some form of semi-private ritual in public. They would have thought, "They are praying." If anything, they would have assigned a positive value to it. That this was not the case for these Muslims says a lot about our fear based society, and sadly, also its ignorance.


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User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14271 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 18):
I am sick of how people immediately label someone

You and me both brother  Smile


User currently offlineTravellin'man From United States of America, joined May 2001, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14241 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 18):
I am sick of how people immediately label someone a racist simply because of advocating profiling.

That's because racial profiling doesn't work. Criminal profiling DOES work, and in that process race is a minor factor. Ask the Israelis.



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User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14221 times:

Quoting Travellin'man (Reply 21):
That this was not the case for these Muslims says a lot about our fear based society, and sadly, also its ignorance.

Sadly, you're so right

Quoting Luisca (Reply 20):
I am Latin, and the only time I have experienced racist insults, etc. in the US was once and you know who the offenders where? three black men.

I assume it should matter little, if at all to you, what the origin of racism may be. Sorry it happened to you.

Sorry it happened to the 6 Clerics aboard the US Airways flight too. This was racism in the right meaning of the word, and just as embarrasing to our free society.


25 Prebennorholm : When looking for the root cause for this incident, then... Nobody gets handcuffed for praying to whatever god including Odin, Thor, Zeus etc. But at a
26 D L X : 1) What a F--KING MORONIC thing to say, and 2) What a F--KING MORONIC thing to repeat. Being latin, you should be the first to jump up and say how ri
27 Travellin'man : Insisting on technicalities is a disingenuous excuse for the unfair treatment of passengers. One ignorant passenger expresses their paranoia to an FA
28 HKGKaiTak : Another case of companies taking the lowest common denominator instead of doing what's right. From the reports I've seen on various news reports, it s
29 Prebennorholm : And if it was like you write, then you complain afterwards. You don't get physical and get handcuffed. But apart from that, of course there is some p
30 Art at ISP : Let me ask a question. While its true that almost every religion has fanatics, why is the Muslim world silent when it comes time to disavow these anim
31 JBClark : You're assuming that whites treat each other better than other races. That's a far more racist statement than most everything that's been posted in t
32 RIX : - really? Is it a good old American tradition to shoot and kill a Brazilian guy only because he is with a backpack in subway (oh, sorry... tube)? Who
33 Travellin'man : The issue of US Airways handcuffing them, and refusing them further service is secondary for me, deplorable as I find it. Having watched a passenger u
34 AviatorTJ : The aircraft is not the place for it. Keep it to yourself. If you have to pray at 5:00 and the plane leaves at 4:55, you should take a different flig
35 LAXdude1023 : Wonderfully said. Unfortunately this is the what it seems the world (or at least america) has come to. The media and our friends in DC make this wors
36 Travellin'man : A couple of comments on this. The media in the West tends to portray Muslims as all the same: violent, Western hating extremists, ALL 1 BILLION OF TH
37 MEACEDAR : I agree 110%.
38 Post contains images AviatorTJ : Exactly. True, but what has taken place and is as clear cut as what has taken place on airplanes. Again, I'm simply trying to play Devil's advocate h
39 Post contains links Delta767300ER : As a Delta fan, I have hostile feelings towards US Airways anyway but thats for a different thread. Does that mean I can be arrested for having my Ros
40 D L X : There are two problems here: First - you're not paying attention closely enough because... Second - there aren't enough Muslims in America, even as t
41 AviatorTJ : You should be if you are causing a scene and refuse to leave the aircraft. It doesn't matter if you are praying, yelling, or screaming. A disruption
42 Post contains links 28thguy : Ann Coulter is saying that one of these passengers was quoted in the Arizona Republic newspaper in November 2001 denying that Bin Laden was involved i
43 PRINAIR : I hate to say this (and I am not racist at all) but it is only the fault of the muslims themselves. Unfortunately the terrorist acts of a few weight u
44 AviatorTJ : No, if people need to pray and cause a scene, perhaps they should drive. The aircraft is not the place for it. And if they weren't keeping it to them
45 Bridogger6 : I work for US/HP in PHX and actually had a chance to speak to the captain of that flight. What he said sheds a bit more light on the situation rather
46 LAXdude1023 : YOURE QUOTEING ANN COULTER??????!!!!!!!! She is horrible!!! She is very biased and hardly a credable source for anything.
47 Travellin'man : That's his right to assert that. It doesn't mean he's a terrorist, or otherwise suspect. maybe he was just....wrong? Mind your source too. Coulter is
48 Chgoflyer : No, you don't understand. This does not apply to white people but it applies to non-whites in the eyes of white people. White person who speaks Englis
49 AviatorTJ : No way! You mean there was actually a reason to get thrown off the plane!? Here we thought US Airways was racist for doing this. People seem to pass
50 28thguy : I put this guy in the same category as Germans that deny the Holocaust. FBI should be thoroughly investigating anybody like him. Glad to see that the
51 Post contains images Jacobin777 : They prayed at the terminal, not in the plane.. ..and? all knew he was involved...so what's your point? They had already voluntarily reported their t
52 28thguy : This guy tried to deny that Muslims were responsible for 9/11. He is mentally unbalanced and I don't understand why you are rushing to his defense. H
53 AviatorTJ : Are you trying to say they were not causing disruptions on the plane? Edited to add reply: " target=_blank>http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/22/us...log
54 Delta767300ER : I agree. If you are causing a scene on an aircraft or in a terminal regardless if you are praying or just being a prick you should be escorted off. T
55 Post contains links Jacobin777 : Yes...maybe if you were intelligent enough to understand by what he meant, you would have known that what he meant was "a true muslim wouldn't have d
56 Luisca : READ from a person that talked to the captain of the flight This is clearly disruptive behavior. I am not a fan of ann coulter and I take everything
57 Delta767300ER : Thats a possibility that these subjects were trying to get kicked off the flight. A Muslim yelling "Allah" on a plane is no different than a Baptist
58 Post contains images MXComet4C : People's liberties end where the other's begin. I'm sure that almost every other practicing catholic mexican prays before a flight (specially when boo
59 Bridogger6 : Just as an addendum.... the cockpit door was closed and the plane was actually preparing to push when the most reported disturbance of them "praying"
60 Post contains images ATLAaron : You can thank President Bush for this. There have been elections won based on inflicting fear into the American public. There have been many good poi
61 AirbusfanYYZ : No condemnation!!! I do remember a several images on BBC, CNN etc. of people in "Muslim" countries such as Iran, Saudi, Kuwait, Jordan, Syria, Indone
62 PRINAIR : There is nothing to be proud, perhaps your level of reading comprehesion is rather limited. There are only facts... Fact is that muslims have been re
63 PRINAIR : Fact is that a large majority of muslims believes that the U.S. and the western world are the seed of evil and large numbers of them seem to rejoice w
64 Jmc1975 : There's a trifle bit of hypocrisy on your part of pot calling the kettle black, don't you reckon?
65 Db373 : I have a hard time understanding this argument. I don't think anyone should justify the 9/11 attacks by saying "well white people did the same thing,
66 TrijetsRMissed : That was a pretty funny episode. His humor got the point across crystal clear.
67 AirbusfanYYZ : Sadly that large majority of Muslims of which you speak live in oppression under dictators who are supported and propped up by the western powers. Do
68 Jmc1975 : It all comes down to this .... removing 6 people off an aircraft as a precaution and having them investigated is far superior to running the risk of f
69 PRINAIR : Iran is not supported by a western power.
70 AirbusfanYYZ : You're right... but it was. Have a look again at what I actually wrote. Cheers, Kaz
71 OzGlobal : A common misconception: the Northern Irish conflict is often wrongly portrayed as a 'religious' struggle. The conflict is polictical and tribal. Chec
72 Chgoflyer : This is an off topic thread for an avaiion forum. I do however have to respond to the above. I question the intelligence of anyone who thinks current
73 HPRamper : Well, there was Hitler...but I digress. I was under the impression that in the Islamic faith, prayer occurs at certain times of day regardless of whe
74 LTBEWR : The problem here is that Americans are deathly afraid of most people who demonstrate a faith they are not familiar with except in the context of 9/11
75 Supa7E7 : Sounds like the Capt made the call. The question therefore is, was the Capt right to order the men deplaned. Obviously, once the order came down, the
76 TrijetsRMissed : Nobody would have been complaining about racism and prejudice in Israel either. It's happened enough times over there that they get the point. I don'
77 AirbusfanYYZ : Care to quote where I said or implied that US foreign policy is soley over oil? I referenced the circumstances and facts about the former relationshi
78 ABQopsHP : Ok getting back to the thread starter. I have a source in MSP, who filled me in on a few things. The men did their prayer facing east which ironically
79 AirbusfanYYZ : Then they should have been thrown out! Out of personal curiousity, did they become argumentative with the crew before after the alleged note was pass
80 ABQopsHP : From what I understand the prayer actions did rattle the pax in the lobby. As for before or after the note to the crew......I dont know and my source
81 Post contains images Jacobin777 : And as I've said before, I'm very skeptical on this, given the investigation has just started......and there are no news reports of the captain speak
82 AviatorTJ : So how about after Billy Bob gets hammered at the Fridays? He runs up and down the aisles, causing a scene, forcing the plane to leave five hours lat
83 TakeOff : It's been done in the past and it's being done again now: an isolated incident takes gigantic proportions (at least on this forum). How about all the
84 Boeing727flyer : This is why people have gone mental - good grief what is wrong with praying on an aircraft. I do it all the time and I will continue to do it and I wi
85 Aviator27 : A group of Muslim men hijacked airliners and crashed them into buildings in the name of Islam. Fundamentalism is wrong no matter the religion. That wa
86 B741 : What is a seat belt extension? Is that like a pilot's seat belt with the shoulder belts? Thanks!
87 Whappeh : You know when they give the safety demos and they show you how to use a seat belt? That can be used as extension for people that need more belt (read
88 Bahadir : Great words of wisdom. Too bad i am not able to add you to my respected user list.
89 Scaledesigns : Its really to bad this happened.No matter if the passengers were wrong and trying to make a point or get attention the US is supposed to have non prof
90 TrijetsRMissed : You are absolutely right AviatorTJ about it being the airline's prerogative. One thing many posters have seemed to forget is flying aboard an airline
91 WildcatYXU : Well, I know about at least one cheering individual here in Canada. Educated individual, making big buck working for a very well known American compa
92 ThirtyEcho : I don't remember the date of my first sexual experience but I do remember the date of my first flight as a student pilot; that would be 47 years ago.
93 WildcatYXU : Dude, that's an oxymoron. The 9/11 hijackers committed suicide. Now, that can't happen to a devout christian. Do you know why? For a christian a suic
94 Chgoflyer : Those WMDs are a real problem. Sort of like Canada's attraction to terrorist who are enroute to the U.S. Buy the way were you born in Canada or have
95 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Assinine. Muslims that don't sit in their assigned seats and get up on the plane and start chanting a prayer . . . . in today's United States . . . .
96 Rev3oh2 : US Airways. My new favorite airline.
97 Jmc1975 : In many Muslim countries (ruled by Islamic law), if a Christian were praying or even reading a bible in a similar situation as MSP, not only might th
98 Ckfred : My minister is deathly afraid to fly. When he flies, which is about once every 3 years, he pretty much prays from the minute he leaves the parsonage u
99 B797 : Guys, Stop being politically correct. This is absolutely BS. All these activists coming out and saying racism is a whole crock. Suddenly Americans are
100 Post contains images Steeler83 : They sure did. Those 19 idiots thought that doing such a barbaric act would be honorable. They are the thuggs that believe that walking into a market
101 YYZatcboy : "How many other times has A White male killed that many people". Hitler. Churchill, Roosevelt, Stalin, George HW Bush, George Bush, JFK, Truman, Napo
102 FlyDreamliner : Every religion is used as an excuse for terrorism. You don't get spooked when a bunch of people start up Christian prayers. What about that tall, blo
103 Irobertson : Its been done for ever and ever, just a different target group every 25 years or so. Jews seem to be targeted no matter what and when. Christians, Pr
104 FlyDreamliner : A number of their leaders do condemn it. You won't see them on television too often, but everyone once in a while. Most of the muslims I've met hate
105 BN727 : Any of you that have watched the movie "United 93". Things that make you go...Hmmmm.
106 Jacobin777 : But the govt. makes sure that it functions almost as a public entity/service different scenerio.. I wouldn't Its the same in Islam.. No it isn't
107 JCS17 : Let's play a little game, it's called "Facts." Fact: One of the imams who got booted off the flight is linked to a US-based Islamic "charity" organiza
108 TrijetsRMissed : And yet some will whine about racism and prejudice because the common sense gained from the facts is not politically correct. I'm just glad US Airway
109 MIAMIx707 : No he's not, don't be like the rest of the left-wingers/liberals who are known for critizicing and exaggerating. These guys are CLERICS, they aren't
110 Post contains images ANCFlyer :
111 JCS17 : 9/11 happened because of the mentalities many of you share. There were many times when questions arose about the true nature of all these young Middle
112 Post contains images EA CO AS : Islamic Tolerance - now THERE'S a contradiction in terms.
113 Jawed : If I ever see a white Christian praying on a flight for even a split second, I will call 911 and report them as suspicious, and get them kicked off th
114 Jonathan-l : You should go meet "pal"
115 Jawed : Fact: The government is clueless about determining which organizations are a threat. We've seen how accurate their track record is. (Hint: it starts w
116 FXfan : These guys were making anti-american statements, asking for seatbelt extenders that they didn't need, and occupying seats that didn't belong to them.
117 Supa7E7 : How can you criticize a pilot for listening to reports of suspicious persons? You really think he or she should ignore the suspicions and take off? O
118 Pilotaydin : to my american friends : if you want all this to stop, raise your voice and stop everyone with money from obtaining a green card....because pretty soo
119 TrijetsRMissed : It is alarming how many posters feel US Airways was in the wrong and how we should be care free and ignore suspicious behavior to be politcally corre
120 Elite : Quoted for the truth. How do you expect them to react when all the main hijackers were Muslims?
121 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Alarming!!! Understatement of the Week - it's downright scary!!! Political Correctness is one reason this country's ass is in the fire as it is. Ever
122 AviatorTJ : There is no question this was setup. They contacted the authorities beforehand so they can cover all of their bases. With all of the above listed FAC
123 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : With proper profiling, this would not have occurred. When the U.S. starts to profile its passengers on airline flights we will be in a much better pla
124 Post contains images Rdwootty : OK as the instigator of this topic I have decided this is now over. It is interesting that the facts only emerged halfway through the topic and were
125 Palladium : I think the easiest way to solve this problem is to ban every islamic people to fly. A company from muslim country should start to make an airline com
126 Bobski : Considering that suicide bombers tend to pray (together if in groups) before they attack, I would be nervous too. This has come from survivors of sui
127 TakeOff : Jmc1975: That was precisely my point: that passengers and crew on that flight had a reason to be alarmed. I would be, too.
128 AirbusfanYYZ : How many of the 9/11 idiots came through Canada? ZERO... They were admitted through US security checkpoints directly from overseas. Remember the INS
129 Post contains links ANCFlyer : While in the case of the 9/11 IslamoFascists, you're correct. There was this small incident on the West Coast with this schmuck crossing into the US
130 Dacman : This is why I don't envolve myself with religion, it's a bunch of non-sense and only creates conflict and hatred. Michael Dacman LAX/LGB Local
131 Moek2000 : While we don't know EXACTLY what happened, based on assumptions, this is what I'm leaning towards: 1. It is not the fault of US Airways. 2. Some paran
132 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Yup, your credibility has gone right down the toilet . . . . "MOST cops", eh? Just how many have you had to deal with in your life? "Acts Nice", with
133 Post contains images Gary2880 : Surviving, plodding along. Yourself, brother? By the by i looked up where you work on google earth i think it was, dead horse right? bugger me its re
134 Boeing727flyer : WOW - I have never in my life seen so much religious intollerence....I will still pray when I get on a flight and if they removed me for that boy will
135 Post contains images ANCFlyer : SCC Any further north and I'd be keeping Santa Claus company! Doing just great, thanks . . . . Yeah, I know - damned colonists!
136 Gr8Circle : Saudi Arabia is a monarchy and Egypt is a democracy.....where did you see any dictators in these countries.....?
137 Moek2000 : No offense to any of the law enforcement guys out there (I mean, there's a reason why we need ya'll), but the few times I had to deal with them (at ai
138 ANCFlyer : I can accept that. Thanks . . . there's bad apples in every bunch . . . I apologize to you for those cops that have been less than professional.
139 SkidMarque : Can we vote to make Airliners.net a religion free zone ? It's nothing but trouble
140 FlyMD : [quote=Luisca,reply=3]In the words of Carlos Mencia; when saying that if he were an airport screener hed only screen arabs, "When an Arab would ask me
141 AsoRock : It's sad because had those passengers been a group or praying mormons or buddhists this would not have been on the 6 oclock news. This latest action
142 Post contains images AirbusfanYYZ : So one guy... hardly the staging area for Al-Qaeda as is portrayed in the media and believed by many. Local warlord Muhammad bin Saud, and Islamic ex
143 Post contains links and images ANCFlyer : Oh, I know that . . . just wanted to tilt that Canadian halo of yours a tad . . . no country is safe from terrorism . . . wasn't there a group a Isla
144 StearmanNut : The job of a passenger is to sit and enjoy the ride and eat the free peanuts. When a group of people gets up and starts an organized ritual in-flight,
145 Post contains images D L X : Did you read what I freakin' wrote?! WHERE were they "causing a scene?" The "scene" was that these passengers that complained were hypersensitive for
146 D L X : IT's alarming how you have purposely mischaracterized the opinions of those that disagree with you. Not a single person has said that we should ignor
147 Post contains images Gary2880 : We leave you in charge of a country for a few hundred years and look what happens!
148 Baroque : Perhaps atheists only flights should be the order of the day. Makes sense, they are not going to be trusting to something to save them should things
149 D L X : Oh my, where to start. Have you thought even for one second about putting yourself in the Imams' shoes? Your further racist statements make me think
150 JakTrax : I love how quickly someone gets called a racist for expressing an opinion. Here in the UK, we only have to mention the word 'immigration' and we're l
151 Irobertson : Try again. There were some people arrested in Toronto for possibly planning an attack on the stock exchange and other government buildings, oddly eno
152 Post contains images FlyMD : Firstly, I have nothing against your lot. We all choose to believe (or not believe) as we like. But, yes an atheist would consider religion "a though
153 Post contains images ANCFlyer : It's the bloody truth . . . Read some of the posts in this thread. See how many people call it a race issue. Last time I checked Muslim isn't a race
154 Post contains links Imiakhtar : Muslims do their best in trying to educate. Just this weekend alone there is going to be the Global Peace and Unity event in London and i'm sure that
155 FlyMD : Consider yourself my first "respected user"!
156 JakTrax : Yup, that 'race ace' card is a great one for anyone belonging to an ethnic minority. Here in England, racism only seems to work one way, and I'm sure
157 Riyadhnurse : I strongly believe that these "holy men" new exactly what they were doing. Very effective,anxiety and fear,creating a scene security and cops disrupti
158 A3 : Yes !! If he is a Muslem ...
159 FlyMD : Please people, lets educate ourselves. Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. The way people choose to live their Islam is not an indication of
160 Nitrohelper : At least there would be a lot of seats available! Maybe Muslim only flights would solve the problem? The question is "would they only fly towards Mec
161 FlyMD : So much ignorance, so little time. Again, lets educaet ourselves before posting. Muslims MUST pray 5 times per day. It is obligatory, not optional. T
162 Imiakhtar : one would think that living in/being from a country with the largest muslim population on earth, you would have a better understanding of Islam.
163 Post contains images Riyadhnurse : I've lived and worked in SA for 14 yrs and it was great.Never had I witnessed such a selfish and disrepectful scene like the one at MSP.Can't recall
164 PlanenutzTB : US Airways did the right thing! In this age of terrorism everyone should be encouraged to report and act on suspicious activity. On the flip side Musl
165 Access-Air : Excuse me, we are not paranoid....but if we are its their fault....In the name of Allah they destroy over 3,000 lives in one swoop...and now 3 years
166 HKA : Just to add to that, if a muslim prays in a group together, the reward according to Islam is 27 times more and that is why one would see a group pray
167 D L X : Sounds like you would rather put your head in the sand and pretend no problems exist. Do I think the "race card" is pulled too much? Certainly. But y
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