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User currently offline777D From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13019 times:

I have heard some not so well known aviation facts, I believe I heard somewhere that a engine from a 747 can lift a locomotive?
The width of the 777 engine is the same width of a 737....

Does anybody have anymore of these type of facts?

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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12951 times:

By the time an RB.211 reaches FL350, the air that has passed thru it is the equivalent of what a human will breathe in an average lifetime.

User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 12819 times:

Quoting 777D (Thread starter):
The width of the 777 engine is the same width of a 737....

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/200LR/karen_engine.html

Quoting 777D (Thread starter):
I heard somewhere that a engine from a 747

Seems a locomotive weighs between 36 and 54 tons, 72,000 and 108,000 lbs respectively. http://www.catskillarchive.com/rrextra/chapt26.Html A loaded 744 around 400+ tons, 800,000+ lbs, seems that would be correct. There is a whole lot of difference in picking a locomotive up and using wings to lift a plane. The stuff I really know nothing about. Just by weight, seems like it would be possible.

M


User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks ago) and read 12821 times:

Well. a crane powered by a 747 engine could most certainly lift a locomotive. Actually, cranes with much less powerful engines do.
As far as lifting a locomotive on wings, well, the first to do that wasn't a Jumbo, but Ruslan, the AN 124. She (or he?) transported a locomotive from YXU to SNN. I just wonder what had the pilots in mind while taking off with this load from YXU's 8800' runway...


User currently offline808TWA From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 701 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks ago) and read 12793 times:

- Athough Concorde flew supersonic, the air entering the engines was slowed down to subsonic speed using a mechanical lift system internally.

-An124 is not pressurized except for the crew compartment.



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User currently offlineBobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12735 times:

It takes less than 1 second to suck a 100 ft roll of toilet paper into an B767 toilet.

User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12670 times:

You will be long gone and dead before Northwest retires its DC-9's and Air France washes its planes.
 wink 


To show how far military aviation has come, one could realize that today one B-2 can do the work requried by tens of thousands of B-17's. During WWII, hundreds of aircraft would be sent to bomb one target. Today, one aircraft with usually only one bomb is requried to take out that target, and one bomber can strike multiple targets in the same mission.


User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12645 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 6):

Isn't that rather differnce in ordnance?


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12626 times:

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 7):
Isn't that rather differnce in ordnance?

Yes and no. More a combination of both. "Smart weapons" would still require a "smart aircraft" to deliver them. And a B-2 can carry far more payload than what a B-17 could carry.


User currently offlineAlphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 563 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12609 times:

If a snowman was built on the ramp, and sucked into a turbofan, would anything happen?

User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12542 times:

Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 9):
If a snowman was built on the ramp, and sucked into a turbofan, would anything happen?

You end up with some water?


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12508 times:

The First person to demonstrate that routine, controlled flight was possible was accomplished by.......


A Brazillian.



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User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12462 times:

Civil Aviation Mysteries:

When will Northwest retire its DC9s?

When will Air France wash their planes?

Who will Aeroflot buy planes from Airbus (350) or Boeing (787)?

WHEN WILL SOMEBODY ORDER THE PASSENGER 747-800?????????


User currently offlineFXfan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12379 times:

I'm told that the Wright brothers' first flight could have been done entirely within the fuselage of a C-5 Galaxy. Anyone know for sure?

User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12336 times:

Quoting FXfan (Reply 13):

Dont know bout a Galaxy, but I know it would have been done inside the economy section of a 747

Rob



''Live life on the edge, Live each and every day like it's your last, Hell you only live once''
User currently offlineCurmudgeon From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 695 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12307 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 11):
The First person to demonstrate that routine, controlled flight was possible was accomplished by.......


A Brazillian.

So is my favourite exhibit at Madame Tussaud's  Wink



Jets are for kids
User currently offlineFbm3rd From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11342 times:

Quoting 777D (Thread starter):
I believe I heard somewhere that a engine from a 747 can lift a locomotive?

I know I have seen the google-video in which a VA 747 blows over 2 different cars at full thrust. Can it blow over a locomotive? OR is that just too much weight? On that same video it said that if a 747 at full thrust was left in the same place for a long period of time it would rip up the pavement? Is that true?


User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11160 times:

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 3):
As far as lifting a locomotive on wings, well, the first to do that wasn't a Jumbo, but Ruslan, the AN 124. She (or he?) transported a locomotive from YXU to SNN. I just wonder what had the pilots in mind while taking off with this load from YXU's 8800' runway...

I know people in London ON here who witnessed that. Said it was quite impressive, biggest aircraft ever to visit YXU. Apparently the 124 visits Toronto frequently, I've seen it on the cargo ramp once or twice while taxiing.


User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11116 times:

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 10):
Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 9):
If a snowman was built on the ramp, and sucked into a turbofan, would anything happen?

You end up with some water?

And a shredded carrot....more fun than a food processor.



'Somebody tell me why I'm on my own if there's a soulmate for everyone' :Natasha Bedingfield
User currently offlineJonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10990 times:

On an A320, once you flush the toilet, it will inhibit the flush in all lavatories of the aircraft during 7 seconds (merci Gabriel)

User currently offlineVarigb707 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1362 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10946 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 11):

and his name is Santos Dumont....



"Hey Now!"
User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10948 times:

Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 9):
If a snowman was built on the ramp, and sucked into a turbofan, would anything happen?

And a trashed turbofan. They can eat snow without problem, until it is clumped together into a tightly packed snowball. The compression of the snow melts slightly and refreezes into ice. The blades don't like ice very much and you will damage them when injesting that amount of ice. We had an airplane with rear mounted fans takeoff years ago without being deiced properly. They simply did not deice the fuselage. All of the snow on top blew back into the #2 engine which really messed up about 20 blades. Oops.

727forever



727forever
User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7255 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10875 times:

Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 5):
It takes less than 1 second to suck a 100 ft roll of toilet paper into an B767 toilet.

Wow. Now that is impressive! With 3 sheets to the foot that's more than 300 sheets at a speed of in excess 18,000 sph (sheets per hour). Isn't that faster than Concorde or something?

Quoting FXfan (Reply 13):
I'm told that the Wright brothers' first flight could have been done entirely within the fuselage of a C-5 Galaxy. Anyone know for sure?

I'm not sure this is correct. My impression is that the Wright brothers' first flight was before the C-5 was built. Wilbur died soon after that first flight - 1912 I believe, although Orville lived a lot longer, dying in 1948 at the age of 77. So I'm pretty certain that choosing Kitty Hawk rather than waiting for the C-5, despite the protection it would have given them from adverse air currents, was a good one.


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10737 times:

Quoting 808TWA (Reply 4):
- Athough Concorde flew supersonic, the air entering the engines was slowed down to subsonic speed using a mechanical lift system internally.

The SR-71's inlets also slowed the airflow to the core of the engine to subsonic while the aircraft was travelling at Mach 3+.


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10711 times:

Quoting 808TWA (Reply 4):
- Athough Concorde flew supersonic, the air entering the engines was slowed down to subsonic speed using a mechanical lift system internally.

All supersonic aircraft have to have some system of slowing the air entering the engine to subsonic speed, not just the Concorde. Jet engines can not function if supersonic air get to the compressor section.


25 Post contains images 808TWA :
26 808TWA : Elvis Presley only ever set foot once on UK soil and that was at EGPK/PIK in 1960 when the aircraft he was travelling on stopped to refuel. He was enr
27 Post contains images Ciro : * The oldest airline in the world is KLM. * The largest airline ever is the former soviet Aeroflot. * The Kansai Airport, in Osaka, is sinking. * The
28 Bobski : This is true. I've was told by the C-17 loadmasters at 99 Sqn at RAF Brize Norton that the maximum cargo weight of a C-130 Hercules can be carried on
29 Nema : The Boeing 737-100 was the standard short-body version of the "classic" 737 family. Lufthansa was the first foreign airline to launch a new Boeing pla
30 Post contains images Lairyliam : So that wasn't him in the chip shop in Brighton then??
31 808TWA : Which reminds me....It's lunch time here and I'm just starving for a fish supper, damn I miss a good chippy.
32 BAe146QT : Not strictly true. They were BA Concordes, one side of which were briefly painted in either Branniff or Singapore colours. They operated a limited nu
33 RJ111 : Also, at mach 3, the majority of the engines thrust was attained from the bypass and afterburners creating a ramjet effect. The Turbojet was merely t
34 WN230 : Well, the C-5 is bigger than the 747, so the Wright Bros. could have done their flight in both planes. WN230
35 808TWA : As a follow up, a Concorde was painted in Pepsi colours (Blue) at one point and it also could only be permitted to fly subsonic. The reason is that a
36 YLWbased : * One can fly Cathay Pacific between Vancouver and New York (JFK) * One Can fly PAL between Vancouver and Las Vages
37 Post contains images Crazyro : Err... modern locomotives weigh around 400,000 lbs. Just FYI.
38 Vasu : There's a chip shop in Brighton with an Elvis in? Where?
39 XXXX10 : I heard that on a large turbofan at TO power the forces on each blade are the equivilant of the weight of a railway locamotive. Also if the 744 ad pis
40 Post contains images Xfeed : 100ft of paper in 1 sec, that's 6000ft in 1 minute or 360000ft in 1hour. So that's approximately 68 mph, or 109 km/h. Although it's still impressive,
41 Post contains images RJ111 : Ok, there are a lot of airlines with 5th+ freedom rights.
42 SupraZachAir : I'm sure someone can check this, but I was told the horizontal stabilizer on a 747 is the same size as the wing of a 737.
43 SJC4Me : Please, it's called snowman blood.
44 FlyDreamliner : A 767 could inflate the goodyear blimp with the air passing through one engine on takeoff. Half the parts on a 747 are fasteners. MD-90 has the heavie
45 RJ111 : It's the heaviest individual engine on an all rear mounted engined aircraft. The MD-11 has the heaviest rear mounted engine and the IL-62 has the hea
46 Avion346 : The winglets on a 744 are actually 6 feet tall.
47 YEGspotter : This is fact. More interesting tidbits: - The fusalage of the Concorde is about 12 inches longer during supersonic cruise (I can't remember where I r
48 WildcatYXU : I know one too. Except he lives in Dorchester, not in London.
49 Post contains links Garri767 : - A Volkswagen can pull a 747 http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...eneral_aviation/read.main/3111837/
50 777jaah : Some colombian ones: AV is the second oldest airline in the world. DC3 are still use for regular pax service in Colombia's most isolated areas.
51 Braniff727 : Braniff flew both Air France and British Airways Concordes within the US at subsonic speeds, then handed the planes over to pilots from their respect
52 KBFIspotter : He lives at Jumbolair, outside Ocala, Florida... He shares the runway with other residents at the airpark, and does not own it, he just has access to
53 Futurecaptain : After the gimli glider landed the mechanics that were dispatched to drive in and repair the aircraft ran out of gas enroute The windows in the control
54 JRadier : actually, it is the oldest airline in the world flying under it's original name
55 Avbooks : And I read that SQ is the second largest customer of Dom Perignan in the world. But who is the largest?
56 DJ748 : Qantas was the launch customer for the 747-400ER. The winglets on a 737 are 6.6 feet (or 2 metres) tall.
57 FlyDeltaJets87 : I think he was refering to the overall families like 707, 727, 737, 747, etc. and not individual series. I'm not sure if this fact is true or not, th
58 VV701 : Thanks. I guess that the answer to my question must have been 'or something' then. A tortoise? Umm! Pity! Please tell the die cast model makers that.
59 VV701 : There is a night time curfew at LHR between 2330 and 0600 hours. Yet there are 15 scheduled arrivals between 0500 and 0555 hours but none in the ninet
60 RedChili : Other interesting facts: - The wings of an A380 are bigger than the wings of a DC9. - The first A340 flight took place after Boeing stopped producing
61 YLWbased : CX's inflight duty free sales revenue ranked #1 since 2003.
62 Coronado990 : Charles A. Lindbergh never took off from Lindbergh Field. His plane first took off from the Ryan Airport at Dutch Flats and later North Island. Lindbe
63 Bobster2 : If all the passengers on a 747 filled their air sickness bags, you'd have over one cubic yard of vomit.
64 Bohica : Add the following aircraft to the list: 747-300 A340 Also the Hawker Siddley Trident never landed in North America.
65 Aloha73G : Hawaiian is the oldest airline with a perfect safety record (no fatalities). "Serving Hawai'i Since 1929. Only One Airline is Hawaiian." -Aloha!
66 FlyDeltaJets87 : Has a US Carrier ever launched an Airbus line? I don't think a B-2 has ever landed anywhere outside of the U.S., except for maybe once or twice in Gr
67 KBFIspotter : The B-2 has been forward based at Diego Garcia and Guam... I am not sure, but has a Spirit ever visited the Paris Airshow? Kris
68 Boston92 : Please, bear with me on this one: Once I THINK I REMEMBER a long while ago that some jet engine (most likely one of a 777's) weighs Half of a million
69 Post contains images WN230 : Really?!? The second fact I really didn't know about, I knew about everything else.
70 Boston92 : Quote Reply 60: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of pax only. There is no parking in the red zone. Just so we all get the full ex
71 Spacecadet : I think the railroads (and most historians) would have a bone to pick with this one. Aviation was important in the latter 1/3 or so of the century, b
72 FlyDeltaJets87 : Yes, the info is wrong. That means the engines alone would weigh 1,000,000 lbs on the aircraft. A simple check of the aircraft data and history secti
73 Centrair : * There is a house in the middle of a taxi way on the south side of NRT. * Chubu International Airport uses mostly natural light during the day by way
74 PanAm747 : The wing of a 747 can be bent upwards 29 feet before snapping. A TWA 707 was lost the entire outer portion of one wing, from the outer engine outward,
75 BAe146QT : Well I'll be. Thank you - there's nothing like having a good myth busted.
76 UpperDeck79 : During the 1990's, the only airports where you could see both AF and BA Concorde at the same time were New York JFK and Rovaniemi, Finland (RVN, in Fi
77 HAWK21M : Theres a BA pic out there somewhere. regds MEL
78 WildcatYXU : US Airways launched the A350. Ehm, was it launched at all? I guess I'm a bit confused here.
79 FlyDeltaJets87 : Well Guam is technically a US possession (Andersen AFB). Through some brief research, I believe the island where Diego Garcia AFB is located is joint
80 BuyantUkhaa : Really??? So an A380 is bigger than a DC9? I'm puzzled..
81 Someone83 : Nope, that was SAS with DC-7C
82 Stirling : What was that all about? A diversion? The middle of Wisconsin seems an odd place to ditch, considering much larger facilities are all around, both ci
83 StealthZ : The largest 777 engine, the GE 90-115B weighs approx 18,100 pounds, the aircraft propelled by 2 of them weighs approx 500,000 pounds (and yes at 135i
84 Boston92 : This is probably what I heard, that the engines that make the 777 fly weigh half a million pounds (500,000).
85 Trekster : I may be wrong, but im sure i heard somewhere the trident was used in teh US at some point. I know the 1-11's were for a fact
86 AirEMS : And they're installed by one guy who has a bright orange rubber mallet! Frontier Airlines (The Current One) with the A318 in 2003 It also took 2 Chev
87 Centrair : Local travel company chartered the 767 for a company trip to LAS. I think it was for Wausau Insurance. Instead of busing everyone to MSP and then fly
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