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JAT Latest - New Livery (Again!), New Seats  
User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7054 times:

JAT's PR Machine has been quite active recently, covering up some of its... well you know...

The Management of Serbia's terminally ill "giant" has done a pretty good job in shutting down Centavia and Master Airways, leaving this country of almost 10 million people, in the heart of Europe, with one monopolistic carrier.  Angry

But, JAT is not to be defeated!

Despite debt totalling hundreds of millions of Euro, the Management has announced that the "dots" livery will be dropped early next year and that JAT's Boeing's and ATR's will finally get a splash of colour. They did not comment much on the new design, just hinting that the Serbian coat-of-arms may be the dominating feature on the tails. (Etihad, make sure you charge 'em commission Big grin )

Besides abandoning their "ghost airlines" image, they will apparently refurbish all their aircraft with brand new interiors, featuring in-seat in-flight entertainment systems in business class and introducing a new "low cost, no frills section" (here's a failure in the making!) in economy section. New menu's are also on the cards.

Fleet wise, here's a joke, apparently the A319's may join the fleet afterall, now that Airbus has earned a nice little interest on the US$ 20 million deposit made in '99 thanks to JAT's stupidity, the Management have admitted that they are seriously considering exercising their option on 8 aircraft. They are also still drumming about the 767's and CRJ's joining the fleet as well (will believe it when I see it!)  Yeah sure

Tomorrow, they relaunch HAM again (4th time lucky perhaps!), which simultaneously means the commencement of the much-publicized "code-share" agreement with Emirates on the HAM-JFK route (bear in mind that there is no mention, what-so-ever of this on EK's website!) while also reviving some of its other dropped routes, such as BSL and bringing INI into its schedules. All INI flights are subsidized by the government (as confirmed by Minister Ilic).  eyepopping 

As a Serbian tax-payer, I am helplessly frustrated at JAT's Management and their inability to do anything concrete and profitable and at the same time very sad that AGX, 7N and Master are now gone thanks to this ruthless and bureaucratic machine.  yuck 


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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6924 times:

Wow. Well spoken. Jat is just too proud and won't give up. I hope some day the Government gives up on them, and they die.. like they should.
-A



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User currently offlineCY319 From Cyprus, joined Apr 2006, 396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6869 times:

Wow Joker!!! I am impressed with your sense of humour and your writing style.

The new 'coat of army' livery doesnot match with the European livery trends indeed. As for no-frills Y class...it sounds a very risky plan for being a national airline (e.g. OS and LX failures when they tried to do something similar). The general public associates flag carriers with good service standards. Jat already lacks of appeal to the public...just imagine what would happen if they try the low-cost model in Y class.



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6584 times:

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 1):
I hope some day the Government gives up on them, and they die.. like they should.

Well lets hope that IMF's pressure will be too much to bear...

Quoting CY319 (Reply 2):
The new 'coat of army' livery doesnot match with the European livery trends indeed.

 yes 

Quoting CY319 (Reply 2):
...it sounds a very risky plan for being a national airline (e.g. OS and LX failures when they tried to do something similar).

 yes   yes 

Quoting CY319 (Reply 2):
Jat already lacks of appeal to the public...just imagine what would happen if they try the low-cost model in Y class.

 bomb 



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7566 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6584 times:

There are often debates as to what a 'flag carrier' is. What JoKeR describes is surely a true 'flag carrier'. It is a government owned and operated airline where carrying passengers and making a profit are fairly low down on the list of strategic objectives. Carrying its country's flag or even its coloured dots to other countries is much higher up the list.

User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6519 times:
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Quoting JoKeR (Thread starter):
They are also still drumming about the 767's and CRJ's joining the fleet as well

An article on www.flightglobal.com about "growing number of idle regional jets" mention that 5 x CRJ700 are in storage. They should try to get their hands on them... I'm sure they'll get those aircraft for a song.



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User currently offlineAdria From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 1):
Wow. Well spoken. Jat is just too proud and won't give up. I hope some day the Government gives up on them, and they die.. like they should.

And make more people lose their jobs?? So why didn't your government let United, Delta, US,... just die??


But back to topic, the airline will be in a bad shape as long as it is government owned and probably things won't change that much in the near future. Maybe a step-by-step privatisation could help the airline to survive...but the current colour sheme is truly awful


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

Quoting Adria (Reply 6):
And make more people lose their jobs?? So why didn't your government let United, Delta, US,... just die??

Adria you have to understand that retrenching and "decently" compensating these people would be a better "investment" of tax-payers money than what is being done at the moment.

[Edited 2006-11-23 23:27:21]


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User currently offlineMig21UMD From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 269 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3684 times:

JAT was Yugoslavia's airline. Placing the Serbian Coat of Arms of the aircraft does not really make much sense.

Seems JAT is all that is left in the region representing what was once Yugoslavia and by next year the death of Yugoslavia will be total and complete.  bomb 

Sad, an airline which had such a great history is being molested this way!



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3663 times:

Quoting Mig21UMD (Reply 8):
Placing the Serbian Coat of Arms of the aircraft does not really make much sense.

While I agree with you that in general terms, placing a coat-of arms on a non-governmental aircraft is not "very bright", your reason behind it,

Quoting Mig21UMD (Reply 8):
JAT was Yugoslavia's airline.

is vague. I won't even try to explain the reason behind my thoughts.



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User currently offlineAdria From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3584 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 7):
Adria you have to understand that retrenching and "decently" compensating these people would be a better "investment" of tax-payers money than what is being done at the moment.

ok, make a suggestion on how this could look like. Closing a company is a radical step and you cannot just make all the people unemployed and give them a "decent" compensation (so what is decent to you and what to politicians that decide on the subject?)...it's wishful thinking (only works in theory). I think that the government should invest in JAT and should make a restructuring plan that would make the airline stronger...


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Quoting Adria (Reply 10):
ok, make a suggestion on how this could look like.

I'm no expert in airline management, but I'll give it an "amateur" shot Big grin

Day 1 - Sell-off all profitable divisions, leaving JAT a bone-bare airline. Sell-off all JAT aircraft. Retrench everyone. From revenue earned, compensate all retrenched staff from JAT (airline).

Day 2 - Declare JAT bankrupt. Employ a single administrator and a very senior and experienced airline professional.

Day 3 - Register JAT Serbian Airlines. Hire a top corporate design (branding) company to create a world-class image (livery, uniforms, website, inflight service etc)

Day 4 - Recruit only essential and mission-critical staff.

Day 5 - Lease a "new" fleet of aircraft:

2 X Boeing 757-200 ER
3 X Boeing 737-800
5 X Embraer E-170
1 X Boeing 757-200 Freighter

Day 6 - Reactivate 25 most profitable destinations. Negotiate with an alliance to become a regional partner, enabling indirectly a wide-global network.

Day 7 - Start running an airline in a commercial and economical way. Place the entire airline on the Belgrade Stock Exchange - making it a public company.

Right, now that I have solved all of JAT's problems, I'm off to mow my lawn Big grin Big grin Big grin



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User currently offlineMig21UMD From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 269 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

Day 7 you are supposed to rest!


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User currently offlineAdria From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 11):
I'm no expert in airline management, but I'll give it an "amateur" shot

Day 1 - Sell-off all profitable divisions, leaving JAT a bone-bare airline. Sell-off all JAT aircraft. Retrench everyone. From revenue earned, compensate all retrenched staff from JAT (airline).

Day 2 - Declare JAT bankrupt. Employ a single administrator and a very senior and experienced airline professional.

Day 3 - Register JAT Serbian Airlines. Hire a top corporate design (branding) company to create a world-class image (livery, uniforms, website, inflight service etc)

Day 4 - Recruit only essential and mission-critical staff.

Day 5 - Lease a "new" fleet of aircraft:

2 X Boeing 757-200 ER
3 X Boeing 737-800
5 X Embraer E-170
1 X Boeing 757-200 Freighter

Day 6 - Reactivate 25 most profitable destinations. Negotiate with an alliance to become a regional partner, enabling indirectly a wide-global network.

Day 7 - Start running an airline in a commercial and economical way. Place the entire airline on the Belgrade Stock Exchange - making it a public company.

Right, now that I have solved all of JAT's problems, I'm off to mow my lawn

So you want to fire everyone first and the recruit them back, sell everything and then buy back? That doesn't make sense does it? You can make radical steps with the existing company and use the money the government gives to the airline for all those steps (but not so fast Wink).


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Quoting Adria (Reply 13):
So you want to fire everyone first and the recruit them back

Fire 3000 and recruit 500-700 "fresh", not necessaruly same staff.

Quoting Adria (Reply 13):
sell everything and then buy back

Sell the old 733's and ATR72's and get newer machines, yeah definitely!

Quoting Adria (Reply 13):
doesn't make sense does it?

I did not say it does, but it has potential!

Quoting Adria (Reply 13):
You can make radical steps with the existing company and use the money the government gives

Not really, JAT is so deep in %^&* that it is beyond help, plus the 400+ million dollar debt with a very old fleet... difficult really



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