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Leasing E190 Vs CRJ900 Vs B737-600  
User currently offlineNseljac77 From United States, joined Apr 2006, 19 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1233 times:

I was wondering if someone has an idea on what would be the lease rates for the following birds:

E190/E195
CRJ-700/900
B737-600

Any help would be appreciated.

Tks
nseljac77

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User currently onlineRichM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 589 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1221 times:
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Yes, I was thinking of leasing a few myself actually. Big grin

On a serious note with regards to aircraft leasing, you may find some information on www.ilfc.com. I'm not quite sure as to what information they publish though.

- RichM

User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1820 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

Very interesting indeed, also if anyone knows any info on the A318, just to compare all the aircraft in this size.


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User currently offlineNseljac77 From United States, joined Apr 2006, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1207 times:

Unfortunately ILFC doesn't disclose the rates.  Sad

nseljac77

User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 1653 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1059 times:
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www.gecas.com has a lot of information about these types too including the A318. But they don't list prices. However, send them a letter or email and ask  Smile

I guess all the types are quite expensive as there is not a surplus fleet of any of them and they are built to order only. On the other hand, GECAS is a HUGE buyer of aircraft from all four manufacturers, so I guess they get nice discounts...


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States, joined May 2000, 12042 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 919 times:

According to recent industry transactions here are expected monthly rates.

EMB190 - $230,000-$245,000
CRJ700 - $155,000-$205,000
CRJ900 - $190,000-$240,000
737-600-$180,000-$235,000
A318 - $185,000-$240,000


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User currently offlinePenguinflies From United States, joined Apr 2000, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 838 times:

It also depends on where the aircraft are being leased from (gecas vs EMB vs Boeing, or Bomabardier), maintenance packages, and term (5-15 years) and how much money down the airline provides.

Obviously, the lower the lease rate, the higher the down payment, shorter the tip to tail warranty, the longer the lease or the age of the ship. Probably a combination of those factors plus additional market forces.

Bombardier seems to have the most attractive overall plan, seeing as they are trying to keep a brisk delivery pace, keep market share and profit, but their leases are extremely long: 10-15 years minimum for the lowest monthly payment. With most codeshare contracts beginning to be shorter (less than 10 years) that could mean trouble for "regionals" in the future and opportunities for them to redeploy aircraft to supplement many major airlines.

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 767 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 5):
EMB190 - $230,000-$245,000
CRJ700 - $155,000-$205,000
CRJ900 - $190,000-$240,000
737-600-$180,000-$235,000
A318 - $185,000-$240,000

Negotiation is the key...and what type of lease we're talking about; wet-lease, dry-lease, and all the variations thereof.
Simple answer is that there is no answer.

Interesting however, looking at the E190/CR9 and 736/318, the smaller aircraft are more to lease, but then operating costs are more in line with the type of loads one might expect....

It all proves the point running a profitable airline is more than a snazzy paint scheme and chic name...


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States, joined May 2000, 12042 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 735 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 7):

One thing the rates do reflect is the demand each type experiences.

For instance the EMB190 rates are quite high and solid reflective of the types populated with production being sold out for the foreseeable future.

On the other hand the Boeing and Airbus types are discounted relative to their larger peers reflecting the lack of relative sales for the types.


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User currently offlineNseljac77 From United States, joined Apr 2006, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 619 times:

What about a B737-300 instead? It is bigger, it is cheaper ($100,000- $190,000)and it has a longer range. Ok, it is less fuel efficient but it is easy to find.

What could be the issues with that shortcut that assuming that it is for a low cost / high density / medium range market?

nseljac77

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