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Language Skills Of F/A's On SQ/TG To Spain  
User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 6161 times:
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Hello

Just wondering whether SQ and TG have Spanish speaking F/A's for their BCN/MAD services respectively? Also, do SQ and TG have F/A's fluent in the languages of all the destinations in Continental Europe that they serve like German for FRA?

Thanks,
Colin

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User currently offlineCrazyHorse From Austria, joined Nov 2005, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 6142 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Thread starter):
Hello

Just wondering whether SQ and TG have Spanish speaking F/A's for their BCN/MAD services respectively? Also, do SQ and TG have F/A's fluent in the languages of all the destinations in Continental Europe that they serve like German for FRA?

Thanks,
Colin

I think this airlines had hire some spanish speaking F/A for their service to their spanish destinations.
A friend of mine has flown from MUC to BKK this year with TG and on this flight some F/A had a great skill in german.


User currently offlineTrinxat From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 6094 times:

I once took the TG MAD-BKK via FCO and no advertisements were done in spanish, just a recorded tape. I assume then that no-spanish speaking crew on board.

This is not unusual within Europe. I have flown many times KL, AF and BA out of BCN and on some flights they have at least a spanish-speaking crew member, but on some others they DO NOT

Although given the command of english that many IB FA's do have, I doubt whether they can be considered english-speaking at all  Smile


User currently offlineKoenie From Belgium, joined Oct 2004, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 6070 times:

For some IB FA's speaking itself.. whatever language.. is already a burden.

I once flew KLM to ecuador via bonaire and I was impressed with the spanish skills of the crew. But I also was impressed about the high percentage of the pax being south american!


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 6005 times:
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Unlike say, JL, both SQ and TG have not hired any native Western European speaking cabin crew. The only European languages I believe SQ officially accomodates in onboard announcements are French and German (very basic French and German announcements by Singaporean/Malaysian cabin crew). As for TG, I don't believe they have any at all, officially at least.

User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1597 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 5969 times:

when I flew SQ out of CDG, annoucements were made in French by a Malay guy who had good knowledge of French; on the way Back it was a chinese girl who tried to do the annoucements (a bit difficult, but it's good they tried)
the rest of the crew spoke English



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 5791 times:
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Quoting Panamair (Reply 4):
Unlike say, JL, both SQ and TG have not hired any native Western European speaking cabin crew.

Do JL have western F/A's? What other Asian carriers do this aswell?

I wonder why airlines like SQ and TG do not cater for native passengers of Spain, Italy, Denmark, Sweeden e.t.c. What about CX?


User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 5779 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 6):
Do JL have western F/A's? What other Asian carriers do this aswell?

I wonder why airlines like SQ and TG do not cater for native passengers of Spain, Italy, Denmark, Sweeden e.t.c. What about CX?

ANA also has a London crew base of westeners for the LHR/CDG - NRT runs.

CX DID recruit some western F/A's in London as well, when it was announces they would have the right to fly LHR - JFK. They did have language requirements though (mandarin, cantonese, japanese or korean) so I guess their LHR base has a fair number of british crew of oriental origin.

I think the likes of SQ/TG/MH do not have western based crew for a couple reasons. Firstly, their crews tend to have a much better command of english than the japanese airlines (almost non-exisitent).

And the whole 'Singapore Girl' and similar style at TG/MH is the whole basis of their marketing campaign and identity.


User currently offlineMusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 11 hours ago) and read 5729 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 6):
What about CX?

As far as I was told, CX has cabin crew in Europe who could speak German or French. However those based in HK and of HK origin could not speak good english.... bear this in mind.



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User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 11 hours ago) and read 5707 times:

It's funny how it doesn't matter what the topic is some people will have a go at IB. Well for all of them IB is still making a profit, and as long as we are in the black and I have a job, the rest I don't give a S*it. Anti IB Eat your heart out. We are still number one in Spain.

  

[Edited 2006-11-23 22:27:00]


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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 11 hours ago) and read 5689 times:
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Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 8):
However those based in HK and of HK origin could not speak good english.... bear this in mind.

Umm, they may speak English with a little Hong Kong/Chinese accent but they do speak good English (certainly better than many other Asian carriers such as the aforementioned JL, NH, or some European carriers even etc.) In fact, CX's Asian FAs come from all over Asia and the general standard of their English is far higher than many other carriers around the world.


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 10 hours ago) and read 5665 times:
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Quoting BAStew (Reply 7):
their LHR base has a fair number of british crew of oriental origin.

Yes, I flew CX on HKG-LHR in October and there were a few Asian F/A's with a pom accent!

Quoting BAStew (Reply 7):
would have the right to fly LHR - JFK.

Is this actually going ahead now?

Quoting Panamair (Reply 10):
CX's Asian FAs come from all over Asia and the general standard of their English is far higher than many other carriers around the world.

I agree, CX F/A's are much better spoken than that of their main competitors.

So back to the topic, what would happen if I was a passenger on Thai, Singapore or Air China to Spain and I only spoke Spanish?


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5090 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 10 hours ago) and read 5636 times:

Quoting Koenie (Reply 3):
For some IB FA's speaking itself.. whatever language.. is already a burden.

= Jajaja. I am LOL. Sad ... but true.

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 9):
We are still number one in Spain.

= This means so much  Smile.

BTW, SQ WILL have Castellano speaking attendants on board. I don't know if they will speak Catalan as well. Now, that WOULD be interesting.

Cheers,
A.



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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 5584 times:

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 9):
and as long as we are in the black and I have a job, the rest I don't give a S*it

I think that's the problem!



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 5540 times:
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Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 12):
SQ WILL have Castellano speaking attendants on board. I don't know if they will speak Catalan as well. Now, that WOULD be interesting.

How different are Catalan and Castellano? Is it merely a difference in accent? How many Spanish speaking F/A's will there be on board? How did you find this out Abrelosojos? Is there a website or something?


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5090 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 5519 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 14):
How different are Catalan and Castellano?

= Oh God. Dont EVER say that in Barcelona ... if you want to come across alive  Smile. Castellano is the real name for Spanish in some ways. Catalan is the language of Catalonia (sort of like Basque country within Spain.) The Spaniards on the board can elaborate more - but Spain is an extremely rich cultural region and many people are voiceferously proud of their unique cultures. Sometimes this can be manifested in the separationist movements within the country.

By the way, I said it more tongue-in-cheek.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 14):
How many Spanish speaking F/A's will there be on board?

= 1. At some point they were looking for someone who spoke Italian and Spanish.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 14):
How did you find this out Abrelosojos?

= Just trust me.

Cheers,
A.



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 5410 times:
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Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 15):
Just trust me.

Come on, how do you know, give us some credible evidence to back up your claim.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 15):
Castellano is the real name for Spanish in some ways. Catalan is the language of Catalonia (sort of like Basque country within Spain.)

So one group of people are able to speak to another?

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 15):
At some point they were looking for someone who spoke Italian and Spanish.

I'm surprised that they don't already have Italian speaking F/A's seen as they have served FCO for years.


User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5362 times:

TG992

I think you have misunderstood me. What I ment is that I don't give a S*it about stupid coments on A-net. While we are in the black it must mean we are doing something right.

I work in custumer service and pride myself in what I do. What some people in this forum don't realize when they judge IB is that we are Spanish and you try to see us with anglo saxon standards, and believe me in Spain it doesn´t work.

Catalan is easy enough to understand if you're a native spanish speaker but it's a different language and not a dialect.



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User currently offlineTrinxat From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 9):
and as long as we are in the black and I have a job, the rest I don't give a S*it

LOL this is typical IB defensiveness, as usual. We do nothing wrong, we do not care about what people thinks. I think this company and its staff should be more autocritical, especially when claims are somewhat true.  Smile

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 9):
We are still number one in Spain.

Yeah, the key is "still". Thanks to AENA overprotection and the "puente aéreo". For how longer do you think you can keep this up?

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 16):
So one group of people are able to speak to another?

Just to clarify: in Catalonia both catalan and castellano are official languages, so most people are billingual. Therefore catalan-speakers know spanish too, but not the other way around.


User currently offlineKoenie From Belgium, joined Oct 2004, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5198 times:

Hmm I don't see IB through anglo-saxon standards. I see them trought they eyes of a customer from the low countries speaking only basic basic spanish and comparing service between the airlines. IB is in the black because they don't have that much competition on central & south america IF you want to avoid the US of A.

Btw FA's on intra europe flights on IB are A LOT more friendlier then FA's on transcon... they are also a lot more younger.. (hmmm!)

About the language thing... castellano (castillian) is often used in Latin America to refer to "spanish". Catalan is from the same language group but a different language as is galician.

Basque however is a total loner.... connected to nada, nothing, de rien, nietend.

Any other languages on the spanish territory of the iberian peninsula?


User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5082 times:

Trinxat I think you need to do a lot more research, Although Puente aereo is a good money earner IB makes a good profit on many other routes and departments ( IB is not only the flights). And now that we are geting rid of the routes from BCN witch were money loosers we should do even better.

Koenie Sorry to disagree with you on the South American market IB has much competition and more each day. If we remain number 1 it's because our clients still prefer to fly with us.

Other languages spoken in Spain are Valenciano in Valencia, Bable in Asturias and English in Gibraltar.  biggrin 



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5090 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5067 times:

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 20):
English in Gibraltar.

= Gibraltar is part of Spain  Wink -

Cheers,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4945 times:
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Quoting Trinxat (Reply 18):
in Catalonia both catalan and castellano are official languages, so most people are billingual. Therefore catalan-speakers know spanish too, but not the other way around.

So let me get this straight :

Castellano (I want a coke) = Quiero una coca cola
Catalan (I want a coke) = Something very different

Am I right?


User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4872 times:

Quoting BAStew (Reply 7):
I think the likes of SQ/TG/MH do not have western based crew for a couple reasons. Firstly, their crews tend to have a much better command of english than the japanese airlines (almost non-exisitent).

Japanese crew may speak less English then Singapore,Thai or Malaysian Crew. But JAL and ANA does not hire the Non-Japanese staff for these reasons only.

The image of a Non-Japanese Crew on their flights plays also plays a role, and JL and ANA pay these LHR/FRA crew a lot less then Japanese based staff. Most Non-Japanese crew based out of LHR/FRA have only 4 year contracts.

Regards,
AMS


User currently offlineKoenie From Belgium, joined Oct 2004, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4736 times:

Lots of competition...
HMmm.. okay.. not including the american carriers.. which airline do I need to take to reach PTY and avoid IB then?


25 Bullpitt : Lets see to North, Central, south America and the Caribbean IB competes against most American carriers, Most EU carriers, and local companies such as
26 Planemanofnz : Wht is the ratio of Western to Asian F/A's on these flights? Copa and Continental. And I suppose the spanish sopken in this part of the world also di
27 AMS : Normally JAL and ANA has 2 to 3 Non Japanese Crew on their European flights. I believe that the JAL F/A based in Europe also sometimes make side trip
28 Planemanofnz : JL do not fly to New Zealand. They have their codes on NZ's flights to AKL and CHC from KIX and NRT.
29 Zvezda : It is reasonable to expect that passengers flying between these countries and Singapore will speak at least a modicum of English. Like it or not, Eng
30 Post contains images SKY1 : stop talking nonsense! To flight MAD-BCN you have in addition to IB: Spanair's flights (called by the themselves "Puente a Barcelona") Air Europa Vue
31 Koenie : If it's that stupid.. well give me the competition for IB on the central american market then while avoiding american carriers. (the reason for avoidi
32 Post contains links Trinxat : My friends, some article links (in spanish only, though). Spanair complains that AENA is not fair in offering "puente aéreo" slots, and this is in f
33 Koenie : ah is there comming an AVE link between Barcelona & Madrid? (How are the plans of the basque Y by the way?)
34 Post contains links Bullpitt : First off all You must consider that Puente Aereo is a very unique product that Spanair would have difficulties trying to imitate. To begin seats are
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