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EAS Update: Big Sky, Mesa Bid For ART, OGS, MSS  
User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3281 times:

After the RegionsAir mess, I didn't think EAS could get any more bizarre.

I was wrong.

Montana-based Big Sky has launched a lowball bid for service to Watertown, Ogdensburg and Massena, aiming to take the upstate NY EAS contract away from Air Midwest/Mesa. They've bid $2 million, as opposed to Mesa's $2.7 million bid which would continue 3x daily B1900 service to PIT.

What makes the proposal really bizarre is that Big Sky proposes to serve the cities through Boston, which means that upstate NY passengers traveling to anywhere west of Massachusetts would have to fly a couple hundred miles backwards. Furthermore, Big Sky only codeshares with NW and AS, offering a combined five domestic destinations from BOS. (Yes, Big Sky says they have a US codeshare, but that's on their Montana flights, and my guess is that Colgan would not look favorably on Big Sky butting in on their US BOS ops.)

EAS just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

Isn't Big Sky a MAIR Holdings company?

If so, it doesn't seem like they would have the money to afford to make a "lowball" offer like this one.



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Thread starter):
After the RegionsAir mess, I didn't think EAS could get any more bizarre.

Come on now, at least Big Sky isn't offering 3x daily CVG service, an airport they don't serve, as Delta Connection, a codeshare they don't have, on the Saab 340A, an aircraft type they don't operate. Now that would be ridiculous. Oh, wait...  Silly

Quoting FCYTravis (Thread starter):
Furthermore, Big Sky only codeshares with NW and AS, offering a combined five domestic destinations from BOS. (Yes, Big Sky says they have a US codeshare, but that's on their Montana flights, and my guess is that Colgan would not look favorably on Big Sky butting in on their US BOS ops.)

A few things.

First, GQ flights only carry the HP* code. They do not carry the US* code. It remains up in the air whether US will eventually codeshare on Big Sky flights, but I'd note that US issued a special timetable update in the middle of August which removed all the GQ flights that formerly were in there--hardly a good sign. Of course, it didn't help that GQ discontinued service to GEG and FCA, and HP discontinued service to BIL, leaving only BOI (and single routes at DEN and PDX) as an available gateway for connections, greatly reducing the value of the codeshare.

Whether US could place its code on the GQ flights at BOS even if it wanted to is another matter--and I'm not sure of the answer. It is certain that Colgan is the only independant prop carrier allowed to operate as US Airways Express at BOS under the terms of their contract (much like the Mesa carriers having that right at CLT). Whether US could place its code on GQ flights, which would be operating as Big Sky Airlines and not as US Airways Express, that I couldn't tell you.

Quoting FCYTravis (Thread starter):
EAS just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.

Nah, it's always been this ridiculous, you just haven't been following it for long enough.

(Talking about the GQ proposal here; 3C really *is* in a league of its own.)

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 1):
Isn't Big Sky a MAIR Holdings company?

Yes.

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 1):

If so, it doesn't seem like they would have the money to afford to make a "lowball" offer like this one.

MAIR Holdings has plenty of money, and is not in bankruptcy. Its wholly-owned subsidiary Mesaba Aviation is the one in bankruptcy. MAIR Holdings has been very careful to attempt to draw a line between the two, much to the chagrin of Mesaba creditors.

That being said, Big Sky is also not doing well at all, losing money, and I see no reason why MAIR would want to give Big Sky any more of its money than it has to.

At the same time, however, Big Sky does have a big new fleet to pay for (ironically ex-Air Midwest birds leased from Mesa Air Group), and it may find that making lowball EAS bids would be losing less money than operating non-subsidized routes of its own.



The outcome of all this, of course, will likely be as expected--the DOT will disregard what's best for the communities involved, and instead just choose Big Sky to save some money.

That will free up some planes for Air Midwest (I think it's a little more than one plane, but I'd need to check the schedules), which they could use to (re-)bid on some or all of the West Virginia service, but which I think is far more likely to just be redeployed in the Midwest or West.



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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 2):
Nah, it's always been this ridiculous, you just haven't been following it for long enough.

LOL!



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User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Thread starter):
EAS just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.

Is curiouser even a word?



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3124 times:

In other EAS news, Air Midwest was the only carrier to submit a bid for the Arkansas cities of ELD/JBR/HOT/HRO.

Air Midwest currently serves the communities, with ELD/JBR receiving 2x daily combined trips to DFW, and HOT/HRO receiving 2x daily combined trips to DFW and 1x daily combined trips to MCI. The service all operates as Mesa Airlines, though Air Midwest is attempting to obtain a through-pricing agreement with US Airways at MCI, though the route will probably not come under their US Airways Express codeshare.

Pending the formality of carrier selection, the existing service pattern will not change.



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User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

There was a story on NEWS10NOW about this today (December 8th)
http://news10now.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=88734


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