KLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8423 times:
Quoting Amirs (Thread starter): Is it becuase they are leaving it to IB?
I would expect an airline like BA would try to offer better flights to S America and direct nonstop for the English.
It is very probable that BA respect their One World partner and direct all BA passengers via Madrid with IB to South America. Probably that's the way they might be doing fine as they really haven't mentioned anything about expansion in Latin America, specially South America. Or I don't believe is worth that BA sends their own metal to those destinations.
South America is a big whole in their network given the world network they have.
VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 8247 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8189 times:
Quoting Challiday (Reply 9): Quoting VV701 (Reply 8):
they do not list any flights via MAD with IB flying the second leg.
We do, according to our Route Map on the ba.com site. Lima is listed as being via MAD
Sorry. You misunderstood me. I checked the BA ELECTRONIC ON-LINE TIMETABLE for every day from today until next Wednesday. No, repeat no flight is listed to LIM via MAD. Everyday a connection with AA code share flight BA5037 at MIA is listed. Guess you need either to change your map or get an IB flight added to your timetable.
RootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4188 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8047 times:
Quoting Bongo (Reply 7): smaller markets such as LIM and SJO with A340-600, does anybody have any idea?
because to BOG you have other choices. Avianca, Air France for example. however apart from IB we can only chose between Martinair(and the hell transit in the US) or Air Madrid so one sees very quickly what the best choice is. Hence many people fly with IB. However I'm sure both AV and AF are better than IB hence why they fly smaller A/c to BOG since less people want to fly IB
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LHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8014 times:
Quoting Bongo (Reply 5): They used to fly to both CCS and Bog until aprox. 3 years ago.
The route was actually only withdrawn on February 6th, 2005, due to very poor yields. BA really did try with this route though - it was flown with a 744 ex LGW, then moved to LHR, downgraded to a 777, but still didn't make money, then it was tried with a 767-300ER, but still didn't make enough money. That's when the route was suspended. Quite sad really, after many years of BA service to both Venezuela and Colombia.
Summa767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2645 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7946 times:
Quoting Bongo (Reply 5): They used to fly to both CCS and Bog until aprox. 3 years ago. I just hope they come back since the COL market to Europe has been increasing during these years of absence.
Quoting LHR777 (Reply 16): The route was actually only withdrawn on February 6th, 2005, due to very poor yields. BA really did try with this route though - it was flown with a 744 ex LGW, then moved to LHR, downgraded to a 777, but still didn't make money, then it was tried with a 767-300ER, but still didn't make enough money. That's when the route was suspended. Quite sad really, after many years of BA service to both Venezuela and Colombia.
Is it so tht they lost money? I can buy the low yields -or lower than they would have for Asia for instance, but actually losing money?
Since BA left the route, the Europe- South America market has grown a lot. I am sure that they would do fine. Still, since BA are so conservative, I hope that Virgin -a much more vibrant airline- will take advantage of the gap and start southamerican routes. They should realise that this region has the best prospects for aviation growth.
757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7921 times:
Quoting Bongo (Reply 7): BTW I really don´t understand why IB serves BOG with A340-300 and smaller markets such as LIM and SJO with A340-600, does anybody have any idea?
BOG is not always served by A340-300, I've seen A340-600 lots of times there, in fact, a german friend came to MDE from Munich via MAD and BOG and he flew the A340-600 in the MAD - BOG flight, he even got me a safety card.
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LHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7835 times:
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 18): Is it so tht they lost money? I can buy the low yields -or lower than they would have for Asia for instance, but actually losing money?
Yes, it actually lost money. Gone are the days when BA flew routes just for the prestige of it. If the return on investment isn't there, then pull the route and assign the aircraft to something more profitable.
Funnily enough, I also flew on this service LGW-BOG-LGW back in 1999. It was on the 747-400, and was so full, I got bumped up to a very pleasant 60A in Club World on the upper deck on the return BOG-(CCS)-LGW! Problem was, it was full in economy, but very light at the premium-end of the aircraft. Sad really.
Does anyone know why AV also pulled their BOG-LHR non-stop? I flew that route twice on the 767-300ER and it was quite a nice service. I even recall eating a really tasty chicken korma and basmati rice, courtesy of SAS Catering at LHR. Quite an odd catering choice for a South American airline though....
BAStew From Madagascar, joined Sep 2006, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7818 times:
I think BA will return to several latin american markets in the future.
As an airline, it is hugely important that BA itself has a worldwide network. Thats the reason why we still fly twice daily to SYD where our Oneworld alliance partner QF is based. Or, thrice daily to HKG where our Oneworld partner CX is based. The simple reason being that BA would rather the money go into it's own pocket than that of one of its partners. And also quite simply, many of BA's passengers want to fly BA and not a partner airline.
Alliane partners are still competitors when they fly on the same route. Where it can help it, BA would rather see a BA pasenger on a BA bird to OZ than a QF bird. Especially the Business market. BA doesn't want to sell one of their own passengers a seat on, for example, QF if it can avoid doing so. That passenger may then get a tate for QF (or CX or AA) and decide to use them on other routes where they would normally choose BA.
The economy in many of the Lat Am countries has really picked up over the last couple years and I think BA is eyeing many markets down there.
But the main problem we have is a lack of spare longhaul aircraft. To start a route to somewhere in Lat Am it would basically mean cancelling or reducing capacity on an existing route. Probably not a risk BA is likely to take until it receives some new planes.
Trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3287 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7752 times:
BA has indeed handed over much of its Latin American flying to its partners IB and AA. One destination which has not been so lucky, though, is GEO, Gerogetown in Guyana. Guyana was the only mainland South American territory of Britain until independence in 1966. BA used to fly there with 747s as a tag onto the LHR - ANU - BGI - POS services - the Jumbos must have been load-restricted due to the relatively short runways at GEO. I remember seeing the 747 there in 1978 - when I was very young! These flights ended in 1985. Guyana is thus left without services to its former mother country unlike neighbouring Suriname, which retains KL services to AMS and French Guiana, which is after all still part of France and has daily AF services to ORY.