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A380 Air Worthiness Certificate 13 Dec!  
User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5133 posts, RR: 12
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4772 times:

The A380 is undergoing the final series of tests with the Rolls Royce engines. It flew over Dubai last week on its way to China. Then it will fly to Johannesburg from where it will cross the South Pole to Sydney. On its final leg, the superjumbo will fly from Vancouver to Toulouse via the North Pole.

"By December 13, we expect to receive the Air Worthiness Certificate from both US regulators Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA)."

In essence, this means that the aircraft model is certified and technically fit for commercial flights.

Airbus has so far assembled 26 A380s as part of the delivery plan, in which the engineers will have to re-wire the cables as per the certification. Despite the cancellation of 10 A380Fs by Federal Express, the new firm orders for the superjumbo now stands at 166, up from 159.



To see the rest: http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Aviation/10084827.html

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User currently offlineJdevora From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 352 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4469 times:

Quote:
Despite the cancellation of 10 A380Fs by Federal Express, the new firm orders for the superjumbo now stands at 166, up from 159.

Where come those 7 (or 17 if you take away the FeEx orders) from?

Cheers
JD


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5133 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

If they get the certificate dec 13, why would the first plane not fly commercially before the end of 2007 as is stated in other articles?

KL911


User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 2):
If they get the certificate dec 13, why would the first plane not fly commercially before the end of 2007 as is stated in other articles?

Type certification != production certification.. and we haven't heard boo about production certification yet.



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5133 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4437 times:

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 3):
Type certification != production certification.. and we haven't heard boo about production certification yet.

What's the difference?

from the article:

''In essence, this means that the aircraft model is certified and technically fit for commercial flights.''''


User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4410 times:

Quoting Jdevora (Reply 1):
Where come those 7 (or 17 if you take away the FeEx orders) from?

Eight conversions of options from Qantas, and nine conversions of options from SQ, for a total of 17 new orders (7 if you subtract FX.)


User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
''In essence, this means that the aircraft model is certified and technically fit for commercial flights.''''

Correct. The a380 is 'safe' to carry commercial traffic, but Airbus isn't 'safe' to manufacture them reliably.

The production certifcate is required if you want to sell the Aircraft without needing a full review of each frame off the line (and by full review I mean audit.. VERY VERY VERY time consuming).

So the 380 as tested is a safe frame/design. However, Airbus isn't able to sell anything off the line (without the aforementioned audit) until they get the production certificate. The reason is that Airbus needs to guarantee that what comes off the line is within tolerances of the tested(certified) frame.

I'm generalizing all the above.. you should check the FAA and related sites for specifics.



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User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

Quoting Brendows (Reply 5):
Eight conversions of options from Qantas, and nine conversions of options from SQ, for a total of 17 new orders (7 if you subtract FX.)

SQ is still an LOI is it not?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30922 posts, RR: 87
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4394 times:
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Quoting Jdevora (Reply 1):
Where come those 7 (or 17 if you take away the FeEx orders) from?

The article could be counting SQ's add-on LoI as firm orders?

Quoting KL911 (Reply 2):
If they get the certificate dec 13, why would the first plane not fly commercially before the end of 2007 as is stated in other articles?

In a nutshell, Airbus has been flying around a "generic" interior cabin and this cabin will be certified. It's important in that it proves the HVAC, life-support, plumbing and other passenger systems work, which are generic to any customer configuration (more or less).

However, each airline's individual configuration will need to be certified. Right now, SQ's bird outfitted in their specific cabin configuration is being re-wired in TLS. Once that is complete, then it will need to be certified. Once that certification is complete, then SQ can take delivery. And right now, the re-wiring and cabin certification program is not expected to be completed until late 2007.


User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4344 times:

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 7):
SQ is still an LOI is it not?

Indeed, it is, but I was just trying to show how Gulfnews came to 166 orders. They are obviously not distinguishing orders and commitments (well, the cancellation hasn't shown up in Airbus' order books yet either.)
Through the 31st of October, Airbus has 159 orders for the A380, and that won't change before the 7th of December.


User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

Quoting Brendows (Reply 9):
Indeed, it is, but I was just trying to show how Gulfnews came to 166 orders.

NP.. just wanted to clarify something hadn't changed that I missed.



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4242 times:

26 A380s? I only seen 8 of the flying, so far 2300 hours and 740 cycles,
goal is 2500 hours before certification. 16 countries visited so far....


User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4187 times:

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 11):
26 A380s? I only seen 8 of the flying,

I believe that refers to 26 frames that have been through major assembly, and not 26 fully completed (and ready for flight) aircraft.


User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 10):
NP.. just wanted to clarify something hadn't changed that I missed.

Nah, you haven't, at least not from what I have seen  Wink


User currently offlineJdevora From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 352 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4160 times:

Quoting Brendows (Reply 9):
Indeed, it is, but I was just trying to show how Gulfnews came to 166 orders. They are obviously not distinguishing orders and commitments (well, the cancellation hasn't shown up in Airbus' order books yet either.)

Could it be that the orders are already firm and Airbus told them the unoficial count to date? because I just saw the 166 in biz.yahoo well: Airbus Superjumbo Heads Home After China Visits; Local Market Outlook Seen As Mixed

Quote:

Despite world-leading growth in China's aircraft market, just five of Airbus's 166 orders for the A380 have come from China

Cheers
JD


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7152 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

Does the wing loading failure test factor into this certification? Airbus made adjustments and wanted those adjustments accepted without having to break a new wing, whats the status on that?

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

Quoting KL911 (Thread starter):
In essence, this means that the aircraft model is certified and technically fit for commercial flights.

That is a very misleading statement, IMO.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30922 posts, RR: 87
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4049 times:
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Quoting Par13del (Reply 15):
Does the wing loading failure test factor into this certification? Airbus made adjustments and wanted those adjustments accepted without having to break a new wing, whats the status on that?

Last I heard was the FEM (Finite Element Modeling) was accepted and a second wing-break test was not required.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

Quoting Par13del (Reply 15):
Does the wing loading failure test factor into this certification? Airbus made adjustments and wanted those adjustments accepted without having to break a new wing, whats the status on that?

Adjusted the FEM, added some stringers and what not..good to go, no additional testing needed...... thumbsup 



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User currently offlineBoogyJay From France, joined May 2005, 490 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

Something at the end of the article drew my attention :

Quote:
He said the aircraft is performing much better than expected. "It has the quietest cabin developed ever, with fuel efficiency 17 per cent better than the B747-800," he added.

What is that ?

  • New figures ?
  • Old news that I'm not aware of ?
  • A typo from the journalist as it would have been 'B747-400' ?


Thanks for the responses.


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

Quoting Brendows (Reply 12):
Quoting Alessandro (Reply 11):
26 A380s? I only seen 8 of the flying,

I believe that refers to 26 frames that have been through major assembly, and not 26 fully completed (and ready for flight) aircraft

See also:

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...eneral_aviation/read.main/3109918/

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...eneral_aviation/read.main/3113882/


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

This will be one of the most important milestones that the A-380 has to make to be able to deliver. Let us hope it will happen at the planned date.
If the USA FAA has to certify, then how come the A-380 has not seen the USA airports little if at all, even though it will be a critical place for them to go to when in service? Come on Airbus, fly the A-380 soon for airport tests to IAD, JFK, LAX, SEA, DIA (for high altitude) and so on so us Americans can see it.


User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4763 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2894 times:
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does an OEM have to fly to the US to get FAA cert? Doesn't the FAA pretty much accept JAA cert, unless there are some regulatory discrepancies between the two agencies rules?

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8005 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2812 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 21):
If the USA FAA has to certify, then how come the A-380 has not seen the USA airports little if at all, even though it will be a critical place for them to go to when in service?

I'm hoping that some time in the first three months of 2007 we'll see the A380-800 test plane(s) in the USA. The likely destinations for flight tests: JFK, MIA, SFO and LAX. SFO probably wants to try out the A380 at its 80 x 80 meter gates at Concourses A and G.

[Edited 2006-11-25 15:04:28]

User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

Ray do you mean 2007?

25 Post contains images Trex8 : no, he's on A380 production standard time
26 Post contains links OldAeroGuy : EASA has replaced the JAA as the European Cert agency. Please see Reply 26 in the link below for a short discussion of the FAA/EASA Cert relationship
27 Skyhawk62507 : Exactly. It's even more difficult to earn production cert than it is to get type certification... and earning a TC is hardly a walk in the park. On a
28 Corey07850 : Question: Where is Airbus going to keep all these A380's that they're apparently cranking out (working on 26 already?) if within the next year only 1
29 Stitch : On the tarmacs at Toulouse and Hamburg, I imagine.
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