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A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25466 times:

According to media reports from China, when the A380 made its world test flight stop in Beijing, the pilot took wrong command and land the plane from the wrong side of the runway.

The A380 landed at Beijing on 1006LT 23NOV (MSN002) from Guangzhou.

The plane landed on the East runway of Beijing Airport, facing Northward. however it made sudden U-turn and face South and enters taxiway.

At the time, planes were suppose to face southward for landing and take offs. Planes are not suppose to land on the runway and make U-turn immediately.

Because the A380 landed from wrong direction, few Air China planes were forced to stop taxiing before enters the east runway.


http://www5.chinesenewsnet.com/MainN...tDigest/Life/zxs_2006_826268.shtml

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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25401 times:

What is exactely "the wrong side of Runway" ?

Do you mean that they landed on Rwy 36R instead of 16L ?


User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25363 times:

Could someone clear this up a bit? Seems like it would be hard to do if one was in contact with the tower, and it's not as if the 380 was likely to sneak up on Beijing.

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 25214 times:

That's also what I think.
Seems hard to believe ...

The A380 visit at BJS was not really a "surprise" for anybody including the ATC.
And if a plane like this one, for such a "visit" was making all its approach on the "wrong side" of the Runway, somebody should have noticed and mentionned it before it landed !


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 25013 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 1):
What is exactely "the wrong side of Runway" ?

Do you mean that they landed on Rwy 36R instead of 16L ?

landing/takeoff direction should be from north to south, which A380 landed from south, facing northward.


User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 24780 times:

Well, the approach controller fully knew which runway he vectored (or issued a STAR) the A380 to. The tower controller would have been advised by the approach controller too. Everybody down to the ground controller should have been in the loop.

You may find that the landing direction was dictated by available taxiways and/or suitable parking spots.

We had a pre-defined route for the A380 when it was in AUH for those reasons.

I think it's a bit of media sensationalising the issue as some aircraft had to hold in order to give way to the 380.



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User currently offlineSB From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 24740 times:

According to the translation the aircraft landed properly, but then did a 160° turn to exit the runway. No big deal - I believe it's just a case of pilot disorientation coupled with ATC miscommunication.

S.



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 22597 times:

I don't think he landed on the wrong 'side'. Tower would have had him on finals and he would have shown on radar should a misunderstanding have been the case. The fact that he landed would suggest to me that it wa a 'special case' along a predetermined track

User currently offlineSingel09 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 21808 times:
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Quoting FlySSC

Do you mean that they landed on Rwy 36R instead of 16L ?

If one side is 36R, then the other is 18L. Could be a typo, just felt I needed to correct this. Always 180 degrees difference in direction on one runway.

Mause


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 21567 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 4):
landing/takeoff direction should be from north to south, which A380 landed from south, facing northward



Quoting SB (Reply 6):
According to the translation the aircraft landed properly, but then did a 160° turn to exit the runway.



Quoting Solnabo (Reply 9):
The 380 landed south instead of sout-southeast.

If you look at the web site; Beijing's has two runways 18L/36R 3800m long and 18R/36L 3200m long. The runways run north and south (not southeast). If the A380 landed from the south it used 18L or 18R. I don't see how either could be considered the "wrong side". Landings and takeoffs are normally accomplished "into the wind". Should the wind be blowing from the north landings and takeoffs would be on runway 18L or 18R. If the wind was comming out of the south, they would turn the airport around and use runways 36L and 36R.
http://www.aircraftspotting.net/airports/ap_asia.html#pek


User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1894 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 20798 times:

Blame this one on China. They buy so many Boeings that an Airbus does not know what to do when it gets there. Smile


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User currently offlineA3xx900 From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 20797 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 9):
If the A380 landed from the south it used 18L or 18R.

No, if it landed FROM the south, then it landed on 36R or 36L.



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User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 20384 times:

I would like to give jimyvr (thread starter) an award for the most confusing post of the day. However, I suspect that English is not his native language, so it wouldn't be fair.  Smile

While I'm on this subject: I think TommyBP251b deserves an award for recklessness by making an AvB warlike statemant, even though he put a  Smile at the end. Finally, Osiris30 gets 2 thumbs down for taking him seriously and then making uncalled for remarks.

Just to be perfectly clear - none of the above should be taken seriously.


User currently offlineBeechNut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 728 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 days ago) and read 18968 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 1):
Do you mean that they landed on Rwy 36R instead of 16L ?

The reciprocal of rwy 36R would be 18L, not 16L.

Beech


User currently offlineCCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 841 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 days ago) and read 18798 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 9):
If you look at the web site; Beijing's has two runways 18L/36R 3800m long and 18R/36L 3200m long. The runways run north and south (not southeast). If the A380 landed from the south it used 18L or 18R. I don't see how either could be considered the "wrong side". Landings and takeoffs are normally accomplished "into the wind". Should the wind be blowing from the north landings and takeoffs would be on runway 18L or 18R. If the wind was comming out of the south, they would turn the airport around and use runways 36L and 36R.

I think you have got a little mixed up, if an aircraft is landing from the south it would be heading north and therefore landing in this case on 36L or R if the wind swung around to come from the the south say 170 degrees ATC would change the runways in use to 18L/R, so if the wind was from the north you would use 36 and from the south 18.

Hope this clears it up.

CCA



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18703 times:

Quoting BeechNut (Reply 13):
The reciprocal of rwy 36R would be 18L, not 16L.



Quoting CCA (Reply 14):

I think you have got a little mixed up, if an aircraft is landing from the south it would be heading north and therefore landing in this case on 36L or R if the wind swung around to come from the the south say 170 degrees ATC would change the runways in use to 18L/R, so if the wind was from the north you would use 36 and from the south 18.

Hope this clears it up.

You both are right, the runways are numbered where your going (your heading) not where you have been. I knew that just didn't write that.


User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18703 times:

This sounds like a taxiing error. Maybe it turned onto an active runway when they were instructed to instead exit the opposite side.

Jimyvr did not say the approach was incorrect (PEK tower is always manned, and probably would not tolerate the wrong runway being used).


User currently offlineJbguller From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18609 times:

Here's an idea - don't listen to everything the media claims.  Smile

User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18525 times:

Quoting Blackbird1331 (Reply 10):
Blame this one on China. They buy so many Boeings that an Airbus does not know what to do when it gets there.

 laughing   rotfl   rotfl   laughing 
I guess that's one way to understand why Airbus will let the Chinese get an A320 production line....



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User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18208 times:

Quoting Jbguller (Reply 17):
Here's an idea - don't listen to everything the media claims

What exactly are you saying?? That the media is SOMETIMES slightly less than perfect when it comes to aviation stories??  sarcastic   sarcastic 


User currently offlineCoolSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 55 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 16557 times:

wow, glad that no planes head-on happened in the runway  Smile

User currently offlinePerthGloryFan From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 16400 times:

A language or translation issue is believable, this is the info that amazes me!

"Jimyvr From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 245 posts"  eyepopping 

PGF


User currently offlinePtharris From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 282 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14625 times:

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 12):
I would like to give jimyvr (thread starter) an award for the most confusing post of the day. However, I suspect that English is not his native language, so it wouldn't be fair.

While I'm on this subject: I think TommyBP251b deserves an award for recklessness by making an AvB warlike statemant, even though he put a at the end. Finally, Osiris30 gets 2 thumbs down for taking him seriously and then making uncalled for remarks.

SWEET!! hyper  Finally, we get awards for posting and honorable mention for posts that counteract the thread. Oh man, so many topics, so many possible awards...  box 

 rotfl 



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User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12786 times:

What a useless thread.

User currently offlineTrent900 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12484 times:

Quoting Blackbird1331 (Reply 10):
Blame this one on China. They buy so many Boeings that an Airbus does not know what to do when it gets there.

Considering there are near or less 350 airbuses flying around in china I'm sure they know what to do perfectly well.

D.


User currently offlineJbguller From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (8 years 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11543 times:

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 19):
What exactly are you saying?? That the media is SOMETIMES slightly less than perfect when it comes to aviation stories??

...hard to believe huh!!  Smile


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