IAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10484 times:
Cabin crew salaries in the US range from about $11,000-35,000 in the first year with most falling in the upper teens to lower 20's. The lowest paid are generally small regional carriers. The highest paid used to be the legacy carriers although now SWA and one of the charters World pay some of the highest (starting pay) and per diem. Perdiem pay ranges from $1.10 to $2.40 per hour away from base. If you do the math dividing actualy working hours by total flight pay there are some that probably work out to be lower than minimum wage however airlines here are only required to pay you for flight time not for sign in time, preflight, boarding, deplaning and post flight duties (liquor paperwork etc.)
Bofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10457 times:
Do they get % from what they sell onboard etc?
Or any other thing they can make extra money on?
Do they have to pay for umiform & dry cleaning?
Is is difficult to get a job in the cabin if you are a man?
Do you have to have experience from restaurant + speek
atleast one foreign language (like it is here)?
And finally: Is it a job that MANY people want or just like
any other type of job in the USA?
NYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 660 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 10145 times:
I've been with AA for 18 years and I'm at the top of our pay scale, which tops off at 15 years. Our union, APFA, recently sent us a brochure in our union newsletter, Skyword, which compares pay and benefits at AA, UA, DL, CO, NW, US, WN and B6.
There are various ways to compare the airlines and some have better benefits than others. For example, DL has a higher per diem for layovers than we do at AA, but their hourly rate of pay is lower. It appears that currently the best paying in the U.S. are AA, CO and WN. Pay is higher at both carriers if you fly internationally. The lowest paid according to the information provided by my union shows that UA, DL and NW are the lowest paid on a per-hour basis.
If your airline allows you to fly overtime, you can also increase your earning power. I know some F/As at AA who fly 140 hours a month! A senior friend of mine flies 5 JFK-NRT trips a month, which gives her around 135 hours of flying a month in 15 days.
To answer your questions above, yes, AA F/As do receive a commission from selling onboard food and duty free, but not alcoholic beverages.
The first uniform you have to pay for, when I went though training a zillion years ago, it was something like $750 and it was deducted from your paycheck in installments until it was paid off in 18 months or so. After that, the company pays for them. UA used to pay for F/As' dry cleaning, they were the only ones I'm aware of, but that may have changed since they emerged from Chapter 11.
It's no more difficult becoming a flight attendant if you're a man. About 15-20% of AA's F/As are male.
Restaurant experience isn't necessary, just a job with lots of public contact. I worked in a shopping mall while getting my bachelor's degree and that was sufficient. Foreign languages are preferred, but not required. Speaking one relevant to the carrier you're applying to does increase your chances of being hired, however. I speak French and Spanish fluently.
And the answer to your last question, I'm not sure. When I was hired, only 1 in 25 interviewed was hired and it was a big deal. When the U.S. ecomomy improved in the late 90s, the standards were lowered and it hasn't been the same since. Airlines aren't hiring as much since 9-11, and at AA we haven't hired F/As in over 5 years. I'm not sure if will be a popular job in the future with everything that has transpired in the industry in the past few years.
Although it's not the highest paying overall in the U.S. industry, it certainly is one of the better. Also the pay rate in the first few years of service are much higher than most other airlines.
Here's some other information for comparison:
The company recognizes 7 holidays. FA's who actually fly on company designated holidays receive 1.5 times their hourly rate. FA's who fly 82 hours or more during a holiday month in addition to flying on a designated holiday receive double time. FA's who are working (including those who are on a RON or scheduled ready reserve shift) also have the option to purchase two additional roundtrip buddy passes in addition to the 10 the company awards each year.
The company awards FA's 2 days off per rolling calendar year for perfect attendance. The awarded credit per day is 5.25 hours. The company also awards a Paid Time Off day (personal holiday) valued at 4 credit hours for FA's. This is regardless of attendance or performance. It's just a simple "thank you" from the company for our hard work.
The company does not provide accomodations for those from out of town from inflight training. However, it is one of the few airlines to pay for training, and a full salary at that. Training is 6 weeks in duration and for the first 4 weeks, you are paid your full 75 hour guarantee (no per diem) at the first year payrate of $21.22. You are paid half that amount for your last two weeks ($795.75).
We also have paid vacation and sick days, which are accrued immediately upon employment (no probationary period is enforced in order to receive any of these benefits). FA's with 1-5 years of service receive 14 paid days of vacation each year, which can be broken into 2 separate weeks or taken all at once. FA's with more than 5 years of service receive 21 paid vacation days per year, while those with 10 or more years of service receive 28 paid vacation days.
The credit value per vacation day varies based on years of service:
Completed Years of Inflight Service // Value Per Day (credit hours)
0-3 // 3.5
4-7 // 4.0
8-11 // 4.5
12+ // 5.0
Medical, dental, vision, 401k, etc. all begin immediately. You are considered a full time permanent employee on day one of training. The exception to this are your travel benefits. Free travel benefits with the company begin after 30 days of employment.
Flight Attendants can also split trips at their discretion, with any portion of entire trip being dropped or swapped (not too many carriers offer this privilege- you either fly all 3 or 4 days of the trip or drop it). So essentially, we can turn a 3 or 4 day trip into just a 1, 2, or 3 day trip based on our preferences.
This means that at the beginning of week 5 of training, you are eligible for free unlimited travel on Frontier, including your spouse (married or domestic partner with proof), dependant children, and parents. In place of any of these relatives, you may add companions. Although companions travel at your seniority/priority with OR without you just like your other eligibles (spouse, parents, children), they do not fly for free. They must pay the buddy pass rate for travel ($25 each way plus $2.50 per segment) each time they fly. All travel for the employee and eligibles are free and unlimited. Companion pass travel is also unlimited. International fees apply for flights to Mexico. 20 one way buddy passes are awarded each year and cost $25 each way plus $2.50 per segment. If the buddy travels with the employee, they travel at the same priority as the employee (SA3P). Without the employee, they travel at one lower priority (SA4P).
We have many corporate agreements and zonal fares (ZED fares) with a variety of airlines for interline travel, including all major U.S. carriers. Some of these travel benefits are dependant on how long you've been with the company. Some airlines require that you must have at least 3-12 months seniority with the company (depending on the individual airline) in order to take advantage of the agreement. We have flight attendant jumpseat agreements with a variety of airlines including but not limited to American, American Eagle, SkyWest, AirTran, Spirit, jetBlue, MaxJet, and Allegiant. All agreements (with the exception of jetBlue and Spirit) are for cabin seats only.
I have worked here for more than 2.5 years and I LOVE it. I still feel like I began working here just yesterday. It's always exciting and my coworkers are like my family. Frontier is a GREAT company to work for. It embodies a small family atmosphere and our benefits are VERY competitive. I hope this information can get our name out there for those who would like to pursue a flying career.
Frontier typically only hires flight attendants once or twice a year, so for those who are interested, please monitor our employment listings at www.frontierairlines.com.
AirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 542 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 9753 times:
The 2 main FAA stipulations on how much FA's can fly are:
-FA's cannot be scheduled for more than 14 duty hours ("scheduled" is the operative term)
-FA's cannot fly for more than 6 consecutive days; for every 6 consecutive days of flying, FA's must have a 24 hour rest period; hence, FA's can technically fly 7 days in a row provided that they have a 24 hour rest period after 6 consecutive days)
FA's are not governed by the same flying rules as pilots with the 8 flight hour/day limit, etc. In other words, they can fly up to 14 hours in one day as long as they are not scheduled for more than 14 hours. Also, there is no federal regulation on the number of hours FA's can fly per week, month, or year like pilots.
However, some FA's at some airlines have a combination of these restrictions/limits in their contracts.
Some airlines on the other hand, like Frontier, do not observe stricter limits than what the FAA mandates for FA duty. FA's in this case are able to decide how much money they can earn for the month (fly 120+ hours versus 60 hours per example) based on thier physical condition and financial need.
Bofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 9652 times:
Fantastic info. Thanks to you all!
Some people think that service in the cabin is getting bad. Less or no food, not much leg room, the cabin crew i "rude" etc. Is that something cabin crew is aware of and is it more "unhappy" psgr now than before? Even psgrs in C and F notice that they get less for its USD... How do you discuss that between you and what is the answers from the HQ?
NYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 660 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 8 hours ago) and read 8664 times:
F/As are paid the same regardless of class of service. But the Purser, who works in First Class is paid more, as are flight attendants who work galley positions and those who speak a foreign language.
At American, purser pay on int'l widebodies is $3.00/hr. Galley pay is only 88 cents/hour, and speaker pay is $1.25/hr. Most F/As resign their foreign language speaker qualification once they accrue enough seniority to fly better or different trips. I resigned Spanish after 10 years, and French this year, at 18 years' seniority. It allows me to not be drafted for flying routes requiring those languages if I choose not to.
Planespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 8 hours ago) and read 8520 times:
Are there still two scales of Flight Attendant pay at AA? (the whole A and B scale thing that Bob Crandall initiated in the early 80's?) Or have subsequent union contracts merged the two scales together.
If there are still two scales, then I imagine the A scale F/A's still make more than any other flight attendants on any other carrier. My aunt was hired in 1968 and she still works there -- i think her name is in the top 100 on the seniority list.
QXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2401 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 6 hours ago) and read 7807 times:
So you are getting paid per hour of flight right? For instance with NW like mentioned, if this is your first year $17.46 is what I would get paid on a flight say from MSP-SMF we will say. So I would get that pay plus this perdiem play? or this purser pay? What are these different wages? Because to me it seems like someones getting paid $1.25 an hour and then you see the $17.46 an hour. Which one is it?
IAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 6 hours ago) and read 7737 times:
When you check in for your flight usually about 1 hour prior to departure you start getting paid perdiem. You check in, do your briefings, preflight safety, preflight catering, and board the aircraft. The door closes/block out/pushback/engines start (whatever measure the particular airline uses to measure flight time) and you start getting paid flight pay. All the while you are still being paid perdiem. If your airline pays you for things like galley duty or purser pay then you get paid that in addition to flight pay for the flight hours only. When you land block in/set brakes/open door then you stop getting paid flight time however perdiem continues 24 hours a day until you return home.
Some of your questions are a bit difficult to answer as they are very airline and contract specific. There are many subtle differences with how airlines compensate their employees. I've tried to be general and stick to the things that are mostly true of all airlines.
AADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1835 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 6 hours ago) and read 7729 times:
Aren't there a few early WN employees that are still flying and worth a couple million $ because of the stock they received? There was a newspaper article several months ago about them. The salary was not the greatest, but the overall compensation was quite valuable.
F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4736 posts, RR: 30 Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 7543 times:
Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 14): So you are getting paid per hour of flight right? For instance with NW like mentioned, if this is your first year $17.46 is what I would get paid on a flight say from MSP-SMF we will say. So I would get that pay plus this perdiem play? or this purser pay? What are these different wages? Because to me it seems like someones getting paid $1.25 an hour and then you see the $17.46 an hour. Which one is it?
The per diem pay is for layovers. For example, you overnight in SMF for 12 hours. You would earn $1.25 an hour for 12 hours. Some airliens pay you the $1.25 for example while on the ground.
Flight hour is usually based when the wheels go up, and the wheels touch the ground.
QXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2401 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7316 times:
Quoting F9Animal (Reply 19): The per diem pay is for layovers. For example, you overnight in SMF for 12 hours. You would earn $1.25 an hour for 12 hours. Some airliens pay you the $1.25 for example while on the ground.
Flight hour is usually based when the wheels go up, and the wheels touch the ground.
SCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5091 posts, RR: 28 Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7243 times:
Quoting AADC10 (Reply 17): Aren't there a few early WN employees that are still flying and worth a couple million $ because of the stock they received? There was a newspaper article several months ago about them. The salary was not the greatest, but the overall compensation was quite valuable.
IAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7237 times:
F9 you guys only get paid perdiem for the hours your are on a layover? Not for every hour from checkin to check out? That sucks! I've been an FA for 3 different companies and they all pay perdiem for every hour from the start of the trip until the end. The only difference is day trip perdiem was taxed.
AirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 542 posts, RR: 11 Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7221 times:
I think F9 was confused.
Frontier does pay its FA's per diem from check-in to check-out (So if you were away from base for 85 hours on a 4 day trip, you would receive 85 hours times our per diem rate. Like you mentioned, only per diem from turns/day trips are taxed.
25 Aloha73G: Here are Aloha's F/A pay rates from the contract posted on their AFA website. They are slightly lower than Hawaiian's at each step, but only by a few
26 Burnsie28: You also have to remember that the cost of living in Hawaii is much greater then on the mainland.
27 WNCrew: Here at WN as of July 1st 2007 when contract tops out. Per Diem $2.15/hr every hr away from home. Lead "A" pay $2.00/hr Additional $5.00/flight anytim
28 Pualani: So the highest per flight hour is with WN. I was non-reving on WN once and I asked an FA how they were paid and I know it was'nt by the flight hour bu
29 IAirAllie: They get paid THP which stands for trip hour pay. Alaska and SWA are the only two I know of that do this. I'm not an expert on THP but I belive it is
30 Flyboy80: you've heard from the big guys...I work for a regional, Mesa, and we don't make dirt...its ridiculous what we make, there are many employees at variou
31 WNCrew: Close Allie!~ We get paid by the TFP (Trip For Pay) which = 243 miles. When timed out it is equal to approx. 55 mins. I feel as if I am well paid. I
32 IAirAllie: Thanks for the better explanation. It's been about 3 years since I went to my SWA interview so I managed to mangle it a bit. SWA seems like a terrific
33 AirplaneBoy: You all at WN certainly do work hard. As a high school kid flying up and down the west coast visiting family, WN was my savior (I had to pay for my ow
34 Pualani: I also appreciate flying non-rev on WN as I live and is based here in HNL but my family lives in Kansas City. Not too many options for a non stop flig
35 Bond007: Always humors me the way companies misuse the term Per Diem. Per Diem by definition, is per day, and cannot be dependent upon hours worked. It should