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If I NOT Want To Put Down My Window Shade?  
User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13590 times:

I keep the shade open because if I don't I'm afraid I'll freak out from claustrophobia...

But a friend told me that it could be against the law to not close it if the cabin crew
tell me to do so on a US airline...

Is that true + in any other country?

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User currently offlineSJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13583 times:

It is federal law to comply with all crew member instructions

whoever i have never been told to put down my shade except when we were leaving the aircraft and it was very hot outside. Im sure they would probably let you keep the shade open or at least a tad open.



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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13547 times:

Most of the time I think they ask you to close the window shade as a courtesy to other passengers. That being said, I dont think its a regulation....

Matter factly I have experienced the opposite especially on Takeoff......When I was flying on ATA they made it a point to make sure ALL window shades were UP on takeoff.....Most likely because if there was an accident, you would need to see outside the aircraft (if intact) such as fire or dangerous plane parts.....

But I dont believe that its a crime not to put your window shade down....someone care to rebutt that???

Access-Air



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User currently offlineFilejw From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13535 times:

Most of the time they want it closed its for the movie.

User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13495 times:

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 2):
But I dont believe that its a crime not to put your window shade down....someone care to rebutt that???

It is not a crime not to put your window shade down, but if a F/A instructs you to do so, and you refuse, it could be a crime under English law as you have refused to follow a crew member's instruction. The difficulty here is whether or not the instruction was given on safety grounds - a very difficult question to answer.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1885 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13478 times:
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They usually ask you to close at least partially for the movie.


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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3008 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13413 times:

Yes, you have to follow all FA instructions.

On my trans-Atlantic flights I've been asked to close my window shade because of either a movie or the "night-time" to give pax time to sleep. Because it's light outside it would be hard to do that with window shades open. Most pax comply. If needed you can turn your overhead light on.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13407 times:

Just close it when they tell you to close it and open it back up in a few minutes. Worked for me on my last Transatlantic flight. I had a window sit and therefore wanted to be able to see out, and I did.

Leo.



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21642 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13383 times:

Yes, if they tell you to close it, it's a crime not to.

However, I would think that if you told the F/A you were claustraphobic they'd let you keep it open at least halfway. There's no safety issue that I can think of created by having the shade open.

-Mir



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User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13335 times:

When they ask me, they usual put it down while asking me. "Sir, can we put down the shade"....umm....you already did. Anyways, if it is a night flight they really don't care.

User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13334 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
There's no safety issue that I can think of created by having the shade open

I am sure that they will create several given the chance!



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User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13324 times:

Just inform them you're a nervous flyer who suffers from mild claustrophobia and they'll let you leave it open... guaranteed... better cabin light than a risky passenger...


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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1600 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13128 times:

Quoting Filejw (Reply 3):
Most of the time they want it closed its for the movie.

I'm a geography freak and I really enjoy seeing the earth from above. I can get a movie anytime at Target for 10 bucks.

That being said, in these times after 9/11, I guess if the FA told me to run up and down the aisle naked clucking like a chicken swing a telephone above my head, I guess I would do it just so I would not be set down at the next available airport.



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User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1986 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13101 times:

Cathay Pacific and Singapore airlines cabin crews always instructed pax to close the shade when the plane was cruising.


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User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13000 times:

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 13):

I avoid them then next time... *L*


User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12996 times:

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 13):
Cathay Pacific and Singapore airlines cabin crews always instructed pax to close the shade when the plane was cruising.

Good god I hate that. We so seldom are able to visit the places we're flying over, I wanna take a look!

QFF


User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12965 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
I keep the shade open because if I don't I'm afraid I'll freak out from claustrophobia...

I'd avoid the 787 then... with electronic shading, you won't have much choice!


User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12902 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 6):
Because it's light outside it would be hard to do that with window shades open. Most pax comply. If needed you can turn your overhead light on.

Well hnow is the overhead light supposed to help me see out my window????
Granted at night because its dark it wouldnt make a flip of a difference anyway.....I like to look out......It seems to me that it is counter productive to close the window shades especially on takeoff or landing during a critical time in which if something happens you probably dont want to have any field of vision blocked.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of "Company Policies" that airlines try to pass off as "Federal Regulations" and God help you if dont obey them to the letter. Why do they even bother with windows....Plug them up and just put pictures of different scenes where the windows were eh? Would that satisfy them??? Let people that want to look out side alone....sheesh. If I didnt want to look out the window I would have asked for an aisle seat.....

Access-Air



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12172 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12882 times:
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Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 16):
Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
I keep the shade open because if I don't I'm afraid I'll freak out from claustrophobia...

I'd avoid the 787 then... with electronic shading, you won't have much choice!

Isn't the A350 also having that option?


User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12866 times:

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 16):
I'd avoid the 787 then... with electronic shading, you won't have much choice!

I think the 787 will actually help, because it's not an all-or-nothing proposition like window shades. It can be darkened like sunglasses, so that you can still see out.


User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12842 times:

I once got a window seat but no window. It was just a wall. NOT FUN...

User currently offlineGreg3322 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12822 times:

My experience on UA is usually this: "If you're not enjoying the view outside, please lower your window shade to better see the movie" or something close to that. Much classier than some other carriers that demand it.

I had an AA F/A do the "Sir - please lower your shade so others can watch the movie". I asked her if that was a request or an order? She looked puzzled and said, "I am requesting you close it so you can better see the movie". I politely declined and she went on her way.

Greg


User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12753 times:

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 17):
It seems to me that it is counter productive to close the window shades especially on takeoff or landing during a critical time in which if something happens you probably dont want to have any field of vision blocked.

What airline has a regulation like that? I've never heard of that being done - except on my infrequent arrivals at Area 51  Smile

Likewise, I have never been 'instructed' to lower my window shade. I have, OTOH, been 'requested' to lower it, as a courtesy to passengers watching the movie.


User currently offlineThegooddoctor From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12737 times:

Sometimes this can be an order... I have a pilot friend who was forced to deviate from his prescribed flight route, taking him into an area of restricted military airspace. The military ATC agreed to accept the overfly as long as passengers on the left side of the aircraft closed their window shades (this was enforced). He wouldn't tell me what they flew over, but he did mention that the restricted airspace was over a remote part of Nevada (that oughta really get all you Area 51'ers going  Wink )

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 20):
I once got a window seat but no window. It was just a wall. NOT FUN...

Yep - I had this experience several years ago on a US 757. This was also a PIT-PHX flight that was delayed for three hours on the ground due to heavy snow...so it was three very very boring hours... Since then I always use SeatGuru.com if I'm flying an airline that I'm not intimately familiar with their seating configuration.



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4237 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12688 times:

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 2):
Matter factly I have experienced the opposite especially on Takeoff......When I was flying on ATA they made it a point to make sure ALL window shades were UP on takeoff.....Most likely because if there was an accident, you would need to see outside the aircraft (if intact) such as fire or dangerous plane parts.....

I have been told that it is in case of an emergancy that the people will be able to be oriented for evacuation of the aircraft.



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25 Ual747 : Blah, on my flights DFW-NRT-DFW the flight attendants were absolute asses about the window shades. We took off from NRT at night back to DFW and I had
26 Aa757first : If its a company policy, the flight attendant may demand you lower it. Federal air regulations do require you to obey all illuminated signs, posted p
27 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : thank you!!!! I love looking out, it's so amazing. And taking pictures as well. But, I realize that some fellow passengers might be nervous and watch
28 Planesarecool : On a few flights from California to the UK, i was asked to put my blind down due the fact that there are only 2 or 3 hours of darkness in the summer,
29 Eajpecrca : On a US flight from MYR on Thursday the young man in front of me fully reclined his seat and then attempted to pull down the window shade that then ca
30 VEEREF : Though I think the airline would have a hard time winning that in court. It is merely a pax convenience item. On the other hand, having them open for
31 Krasof : Does the window shade "belong" to the passenger sitting next to the window?? If that´s so, does the aisle belong to the passenger sitting next to the
32 787KQ : Flight attendants usually "request" that the shades be lowered, not "instruct." Don't make a big deal out of nothing though. If it ever gets to the po
33 Chrisrad : MH and TG both request and go around to check your window shade is open for landing and takeoff. MH also completely switches of the cabin lights for
34 Eajpecrca : I suppose proximity to the window gives one a certain amount of ownership, though if a seatmate requests closing I have no problem obliging. Re the a
35 Post contains images SSTsomeday : ...and landing. And so the flight attendants can see outside, wherever they are in the A/C. My view: Even though the environment inside an A/C cabin
36 Zkpilot : It is a requirement to have window shades open for takeoff and landing so that the crew have a clear view of outside, and to orientate everyone on boa
37 1stfl94 : I've only ever been asked once to actually close the shade and that was a BA night flight. On UA we were requested to put the shades down for the movi
38 Teneriffe77 : Whenever I've been asked to put my window shade down I do it most of the way but still leave a small part open so that i can seee just enough to satis
39 1011 : This is something that always pisses me off. Why would I pay $500 to watch a movie that I could rent for $5? Like said above, UA usually requests you
40 We're Nuts : True, but read your airlines' contract of carriage next time and you'll see that we don't differentiate between the two. Breaking a company policy wi
41 Milesrich : I do not believe refusing to close your window shade so others can sleep or watch a movie is crime, even if instructed to do so by a cabin crew member
42 LouA340 : I remember on my last flight we were asked to pull down the shades because we were flying over storm clouds at night and there was a lot of lightening
43 Brdcessna : LMAO thats a good one
44 PlanenutzTB : So your one of the rude and obnoxcious people on flights that won't let me enjoy my movie.
45 ChewingPlastic : Ohh, I'll confirm that true. On JAL, once reaching cruise, the flight attendant came around with that hooky stick and silently closed your window for
46 Aeroflot777 : That's not what I mean. Say the flight departs JFK around 5 am. About 5 hours into the flight, pax become sleepy. On all my DL and SU flights, the FA
47 Sunandan : Sorry mate, that is a generalized statement. I'm a frequent flyer with SQ and they only time the FAs ever ask you to close the window shades is if it
48 Wdleiser : It is a real dick move to keep your window open during the day on a overseas trip.......Europe-USA for example..... a single person can make it that m
49 Levg79 : That would probably not land you at the next available airport. But I will not go into details as where such inappropriate behavior might take you. W
50 Post contains images Flykal : Krasof, I like your sense of humor. But you forgot one thing...what does the poor person in the middle seat own!? Not a problem on airlines with pers
51 Thegooddoctor : I'm thinking about the times in recent history that Google has been criticized for restricting content at the request of FORIEGN governments... yeah,
52 Post contains images Aerorobnz : Putting the shades down for movies only happens on aircraft that only have the communal TV screens. If I can see my screen in a window seat, then it s
53 Post contains images Bofredrik : Maybe they will do the same if a engine is burning?
54 Post contains images Zkpilot : Your responses are always a delight Rob!
55 Aerodog : I just returned business class yesterday Brussels-ORD via AA 89. A 2 movie leg. There was one A-hole in the first row who refused to put his shade dow
56 FL450 : Good for him keep it open. I fly AA all the time and the prison guards are always trying to close my shade NO DICE. If you ask me nice sure, but if y
57 MerlinIIIB : They told us to put them down during the movie when I was flying from Salt Lake to New York. What a disappointment! It was clear sky, I had put a map
58 Post contains images OyKIE : On transatlantic flights we are asked to put down our shades. I love to watch the earth from above and it also fascinates me to see how it turns in fr
59 WildcatYXU : I'm afraid it will be exactly the opposite. The FA will undoubtly have the master control and the option of disabling the passenger controls.
60 Post contains images BHXFAOTIPYYC : I flew DXB HKG recently on CX where departure is round about midnight. It actually gets light quite early into the flight even though your body clock
61 DashTrash : Depending on where the company policy is written, it may be a federal regulation. Manuals are approved by the FAA and become law on that particular ca
62 L1011 : A couple of times I have flown HA from LAX-HNL and back on DC-10s and 767s. Each time, they started a video right after takeoff in which two people ar
63 Dman777 : hi everybody this is my first post on here i wasnt aware that the crew ever instructed anybody to close the shade ive never been asked to except for m
64 OyKIE : I think even though they fade down the windows, one would still be able to see out. Even if more limited than usual. I cannot imagine a scene where t
65 Cgnnrw : hmmm just imagine: "ladies and gentlemen we kindly request everyone pat the top of their heads with their left hand while rubbing your stomachs in a
66 SSTsomeday : It's saddening to think that some A-type personality passengers are completely oblivious/ignorant to the comfort or wishes of a whole cabin full of p
67 SWAOPSusafATC : My thinking on this is... You want to sleep bring one of those masks that block out light. If you want to watch a movie, ask me politely and I will po
68 Hamster : Dude, you need to take anger management classes. I am an adult with the child still very much alive inside of me. I request window seats and really l
69 YYCowboy : I do the same thing. The view out the window on a clear day is far better than anything showing on the screen. I find that others in the same isle ar
70 Isitsafenow : If you are next to me and paid for a movie, I will meet you halfway and lower the shade by about 2/3 down. My reply, if you are an asshole about it(pa
71 Hamad : i was on a united flight couple of weeks ago, i was seated on the exit row on TED, and while we are landing in denver, the passenger on the other side
72 Zkpilot : Welcome to A.net! It does happen. It happens too much on some airlines. If its a long flight over ocean then there isn't much reason to have them ope
73 IrishMD11 : Oops, but on my last westbound (FRA to PHX) flight, right near end of cabin in a LH A340, you obviously get a lot of sunlight from the north. Left si
74 Rampkontroler : As an avid fan of flying, it breaks my heart to be told I can't experience the wonders of the world because I have to lower my shade so someone can wa
75 EI101 : From some years ago, I remember a hook-like device something like a broomstick handle being used to reach across (sleeping) passengers to close window
76 SSTsomeday : In order to hear yourselves over general cabin noise (engines, air vents, etc.), I would suggest you would have to speak at more than a whisper. Can
77 FlyboyOz : Yes, JAL trainee cabin crews were taught to make quiet. They have been learning how to draw the curtain softly - without making noise. Hahaha! I have
78 Bofredrik : Maybe he did not feel well if the shades was down? Could you respect that?
79 Cgnnrw : Now this is way out of line....so according to your standards of etiquette a man and wife would not be permitted to speak to each other for 6-10 hour
80 Post contains images HAWK21M : Sounds like Kindergarden regds MEL
81 SSTsomeday : Correct. Not continually. It's the middle of the night. People are sleeping. That's a necessity. Snoring is not intentional. Conversation in the midd
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