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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7229 times:

How is it that that the two carriers have the same style scheme in the same country, is there no law against this? colurs, logo, fonts can differ but its the same style making them look like a sister concern of the other, kind of misleading image and bad for the company's reputation, I know World copied UPS.

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User currently offlineAntonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7221 times:

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
I know World copied UPS.

Come on then, tell us all how you "know" this
This should be worth hearing


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7213 times:

Simple, UPS scheme came out before Worlds back in 2002 didnt it? World's was made up earlier this year.

User currently offlineMauriceb From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7210 times:

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
colurs, logo, fonts can differ but its the same style making them look like a sister concern of the other, kind of misleading image and bad for the company's reputation, I know World copied UPS.

with that much airlines in the world, it would be rather hard for the airlines to all have a ''diferent style''

besides , with world, there is a white bar between the blue paint and the red bar, whyle UPS doesn't have that...

If it would be illegal, than UA and Aeromexico would be wrong for exemple..


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7201 times:

In what way are World and UPS the same?

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Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
I know World copied UPS.

And UPS copied Thai.

Everyone is copying everyone. Call the lawyers.

Last time I checked World hadn't made an annoucement concerning a new livery. The inmage in the thread World Airways Decides On A New Livery (posted Sat Sep 2 2006 01:05:48 by IAirAllie in Civil Aviation) in my opinion was not real. No corporation puts images for new livery in Photobucket and have no annoucements on their homepage. And I doubt they do their livery that cheap. Not even World would do it that cheap.



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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7196 times:

Wow, such spectacular logic.
As it stands right now, UPS owns three of World's aircraft.


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7197 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
Last time I checked World hadn't made an annoucement concerning a new livery. The inmage in the thread World Airways Decides On A New Livery (posted Sat Sep 2 2006 01:05:48 by IAirAllie in Civil Aviation) in my opinion was not real. No corporation puts images for new livery in Photobucket and have no annoucements on their homepage. And I doubt they do their livery that cheap. Not even World would do it that cheap.

ummm you posted the old livery... this is the new one:


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User currently offlineSP90 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7180 times:

Clearly they are different. I mean one has UPS on the tail and the other has the globe. The colors are also different since UPS is white, yellow and brown and World is white, red and blue.  Smile

[Edited 2006-11-25 12:58:07]

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7165 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 6):
ummm you posted the old livery... this is the new one:

Looked throught DB didn't see that one. My bad.

In that case.

I'm calling lawyers. They copied Thai. No one should ever have that kind of design. There can be only one!



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7148 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
Everyone is copying everyone. Call the lawyers.



Quoting Antonovman (Reply 1):
Come on then, tell us all how you "know" this
This should be worth hearing

First of all I dont know what prompted the bitch in you all to post your statements in an catty manner, I only asked a valid question, is common courtesy lost on you?

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
And UPS copied Thai.

UPS didnt copy Thai, their scheme out much before TG's, Thai livery designers whoever they are did copy Varig's special World Cup Football scheme from 1997.

Quoting Mauriceb (Reply 3):
with that much airlines in the world, it would be rather hard for the airlines to all have a ''diferent style''

besides , with world, there is a white bar between the blue paint and the red bar, whyle UPS doesn't have that...

If it would be illegal, than UA and Aeromexico would be wrong for exemple..

Your argument seems to be just that, something for the sake of an argument, it lacks logic, look at World's original Eurowhite scheme if you're creative you can picture a number of different styles that could be created without aping another's image with an insignificant modification to make it appear different.

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 5):
Wow, such spectacular logic.
As it stands right now, UPS owns three of World's aircraft

So are they the a subsidairy of UPS, you could have explained decently instead of acting like a bitch.


User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7128 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 9):
So are they the a subsidairy of UPS, you could have explained decently instead of acting like a bitch.

World is not a subsidariry, UPS just owns three of the aircraft. I wasn't being a bitch, you've been the ones making accusatioins, not I.


User currently offlineExpress1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

I think both of you want to stop being childish and move on,if you cant discus a simple aviation topic then leave it.

dave


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7062 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 9):

So are they the a subsidairy of UPS, you could have explained decently instead of acting like a bitch.

It's as simple as this. UPS bought some MD-11s from DL. Some of these are being leased out to World until UPS needs them for cargo conversion. It makes more sense to lease them out until you need them instead of parking them somewhere and not making any money off of the a/c.

There's all sorts of "copying" when it comes to airline liveries. Design trends come and go. Remember when cheatlines were the common style? Just about everyone had them in some form on their a/c. Same with the predominantly Eurowhite livery.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7049 times:
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Quoting 777way (Reply 9):
So are they the a subsidairy of UPS, you could have explained decently instead of acting like a bitch.

We are not owned by UPS, we are our own airline which also owns North American airlines. Ships 801DE, 803DE, and 804DE are the Delta birds which will be going to UPS after our leases expire. 801 and 804 are in the standard all white livery, 803 has the heritage livery.

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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7049 times:

I asked a valid question in a polite manner and check the expression of the responses, do people have to be jerks?

Are you telling me it would be okay if BMI got a BA style scheme with minor alterations if it wasnt associated with BA in an way, I thought the west had an issue with plaigirism and wernt tolerant of this

These things are not such a big deal in the rest of the world so even if another ailrine in Thailand was wearing Thai's scheme with different colours it wouldnt matter, it would be foul be unfortunately acceptable.


User currently offlineAirplaneFan From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6980 times:

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
World copied UPS

I agree with you sir. UP's livery seems to be popular. Not only did WO copied UP's new livery, but also TG.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
And UPS copied Thai.

Come on, UP got their new livery back in 2003. TG got theirs barely last year. So UP did not copied TG!

Quoting SP90 (Reply 7):
I mean one has UPS on the tail and the other has the globe. The colors are also different since UPS is white, yellow and brown and World is white, red and blue.

The colors and the logo between UP and WO are not much of a difference. For example FX can introduce a new livery similar to UP's, but instead of putting UP's logo on the tail, they got to put their obviously! WO isn’t going to want to put someone else's logo on their airplanes. That would be something stupid. So no matter what WO did kind of copy UP's livery in some sort of ways.


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IMO AM seemed to have copied from LA's livery. Instead of a putting a "STAR" on the tail, AM putted their logo. Now AM seemed to have brought the red stripe forward and making it longer, instead of living it towards the back like LA. Anyways AM also copied LA's livery in some sort of way.


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Last but not least, I also think CO livery and LH livery are similar in some ways. Both have a dark blue tail, and a white fuselage mixed with gray colors at the bottom of the fuselage, except that CO livery gray colors go all the way up to the middle of the radome with an orange stripe above. But they are still similar.


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User currently offlineOwlEye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 959 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6960 times:

The UPS and World tails are not that bad and that simular in matter of copyright and design. I think airlines can protect a paint design, maybe UPS did not protected the bowed line pattern, only their colours and logo. I'm worrying more about those two:


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Naughty copy cat airline 'Air Italy' was forced to change its livery because of the Air France copyright:


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6850 times:

Don't forget Arrow same design as UPS, World, Thai, just a different color. Lets face it the this is one business where everyone copies each other.

User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6784 times:

Before we start acusing World of nasty things like plagerisim consider this perhaps, as UPS owns several of the World aircraft, this paint scheme was adopted so that the transition paint job would be simpler? If World had gone with the popular retro red scheme (that many of the employees love) it would have meant repainting the whole aircraft. Now the only the tail and titles need to be changed. So maybe UPS weighed in on the livery choice.

777Way I belive you got a nasty response because your original post had a rather acusatory tone to it. The differences between color, logo etc. are obviously different enough to prevent anyone from mistaking the two so it is not some sort of subversive attempt to pass as a UPS plane.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
The inmage in the thread World Airways Decides On A New Livery (posted Sat Sep 2 2006 01:05:48 by IAirAllie in Civil Aviation) in my opinion was not real

Real enough for you now darling? I don't post rumors or unverified info with out disclaimers.


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6627 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 2):
Simple, UPS scheme came out before Worlds back in 2002 didnt it?

And THIS scheme came out when? Pre-1998? Pretty close...


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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6624 times:

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 18):
Before we start acusing World of nasty things like plagerisim consider this perhaps, as UPS owns several of the World aircraft, this paint scheme was adopted so that the transition paint job would be simpler?

That's a nice thought, but the first bird to get the scheme was not one that's going to UPS.


User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2700 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6580 times:

Coincidence? I don't think so.


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I do believe CO owns part of Copa.


User currently offlineThaiAggie From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6546 times:

and the newest one:


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This looks much like TGs



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User currently offlineFoxy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 179 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6517 times:

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 18):
Before we start acusing World of nasty things like plagerisim consider this perhaps, as UPS owns several of the World aircraft, this paint scheme was adopted so that the transition paint job would be simpler? If World had gone with the popular retro red scheme (that many of the employees love) it would have meant repainting the whole aircraft. Now the only the tail and titles need to be changed. So maybe UPS weighed in on the livery choice

This would seem most logical, Similar livery design in order to make transition to UPS colours easier


User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 20):
That's a nice thought, but the first bird to get the scheme was not one that's going to UPS.

True enough but they are making the livery change for the whole fleet including the UPS birds. The goal is to have a unified look. The painting schedule revolves around maintenance schedules not aircraft owners.


25 ThePRGuy : Agreed dave, lay down the law!
26 Post contains images AirplaneFan : You are right . On 19 May 1998, CO acquired a 49% stake in CM, marking the beginning of a comprehensive marketing and operating alliance. Since then,
27 Vasu : There will always be livery style "fashions". Once upon a time it was the cheatline, Now its oversized logos and wavy bits. ... who knows what'll be n
28 Wjcandee : Exactly. That's all this is. And they could have had the "old" logo and several others. It was chosen by the employees.
29 Post contains images INTENSS : This is true to a point. However, since World won't be having 801, 803, and 804 for that much longer, it's HIGHLY unlikely these 3 will be getting pa
30 AirTran737 : Thats true, it's in the Ron Allen colors. BTW I tried to call you yesterday, I got slammed.
31 INTENSS : Actually, a "modified" Ron Allen scheme. That explains that "unkown" call.... -Rich
32 Clipper002 : OK, lets get something straight. World Airways is a subsidiary of World Air Holdings,Inc. and has absolutley nothing to do with UPS. Secondly, the new
33 Post contains images PropilotJW : And this is a pretty well known look-alike
34 MCOflyer : Check out Air Madagascar's new livery. Very identical to those mentioned above. It looks like SQ might be copying TG's. I read in thread that SQ might
35 Wjcandee : Besides being a common thing for airline liveries to move in one direction or antoher, the blue tail with white globe is something that World previous
36 Post contains links and images MIAMIx707 : In my opinon UPS, World and other copycats will look pretty "dated" as a design trend in a few years. The first to initiate the look was Pluna, introd
37 MIAMIx707 : the best of the major liveries around is also gonna get changed to this CRAPPY trend? No please.
38 Turpentyine : wow are they all using the same crappy design company who obviously has no original ideas?
39 Antoniemey : That there stripe is GOLD.
40 Srbmod : Actually, the new WO livery was done in-house:
41 FL370 : im not a big fan of UPS, World airways, Thai's new livary, there is too much wieght in the back, and too much white paint. i think if one of them adde
42 IAirAllie : Thats certainly true. World employees we're given 3 choices. This is suposedly the one that won. Although most people I know voted for the retro red.
43 Wjcandee : I've heard that, too. Shame it didn't win because it looked really, really good![Edited 2006-11-28 06:06:25]
44 Dazed767 : Kinda defeats the purpose to have a retro jet then end up painting them all that way.
45 INTENSS : Don't believe the hype....most preferred what actually won out. That's my logic. You kind of water down the whole retro jet thing when you paint the
46 MIAMIx707 : The retro red looks a lot better to me also. Too bad they only want to keep one plane like this then. It's not like people will care whether the whol
47 IAirAllie : I think I'd like it better if they'd swap the red portion and blue portion. Blue is so overused in this business. Most of us youngins seemed to like t
48 Post contains images INTENSS : This might seem nice, but the company's colors and branding efforts currently revolve around the blue globe and titles. Having blue as the predominan
49 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : See, you AND your friends are cool good to hear Thinking about it and World was a better known company back in the days when they used to fly red and
50 Post contains images GARUDAROD : If you want to talk about blatant rip off of a logo, look at this. GA had this logo from the 1980's, MAS AIR ripped it off completely
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