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SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28  
User currently offlineUAL747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 593 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10678 times:

SIA gets the first 2 of at least 19 this Tuesday. Anyone know when their first revenue flights are?

UAL747-600

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User currently offlineBjornstrom From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 329 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10664 times:

5/6th of December SIN-CDG-SIN. I know that CGK of Flyertalk is on the first flight (as always)  Smile

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6603492&postcount=251

Richard Quest tries the new 773ER:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRsMTxqmcfU

773ER seatmap for SQ:
http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_UK/images/company_info/eot/fleet_info/773ER/B777_300er.gif



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User currently offlineCobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10610 times:

What a stupid configuration. Only 275 seats on 365 3-class configuration. What a waste of fuel and more pollution on the environment. Why bother conserving, if a an airline like SIA consumes so much fuel just becuase of luxury.

User currently offlineBjornstrom From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 329 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10606 times:

I can't wait to get into one of those new C seats, for sure! Im already saving my Krisflyer points for a nice F upgrade next year  Wink

SQ is smart. With prices on Y class tickets falling to rock bottom with no margins they focus on their C and F passengers that are willing to pay for top service & experience.



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User currently offlineUA777300ER From Belgium, joined Jun 2006, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10576 times:

Are their new C-class seats in a 1-2-1 configuration? I don't think I've ever seen this configuration for business class. Anybody else operates this config in biz?

Tom


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8281 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10574 times:

Point taken Cobra, but need I remind you this is Customer Retention 101, not Saving The Earth 101. They were doing the same thing back in the day on CV-880s and 707s...would you rather we still had those gas guzzlers everywhere?


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User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10562 times:

Quoting UAL747-600 (Thread starter):
SIA gets the first 2 of at least 19 this Tuesday.


SIA's first B77W 9V-SWA already arrived SIN 23 Nov 2006.

[Edited 2006-11-25 13:57:40]


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User currently offlineUAL747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10267 times:

So these deliveries must be the 2nd and 3rd.

Can anyone confirm?

UAL747-600


User currently offlineUAL747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10248 times:

Here's the Bloomberg link.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...=conews&tkr=BA:US&sid=aL01gFBW5Xo8

UAL747-600


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31388 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10235 times:
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Drove by PAE on Wed and they were both out on the flight line ready to go. I'll keep an eye on Flight Tracker to watch them take to the skies and wish them well.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10105 times:

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 2):
What a stupid configuration.

Singapore Airlines Limited's configuration of the Boeing 777-300ER is not stupid.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10070 times:

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 2):
What a stupid configuration. Only 275 seats on 365 3-class configuration. What a waste of fuel and more pollution

Stupid.........you must be joking. SQ's 773ERs are configured with large F and J cabins with cutting edge accommodation for those premium passengers. These airplanes will be dedicated to high-yeild longrange routes.....where F and J cabins go out full on a daily basis although the fares are outrageously high. From a financial point of view, SQ's 773ERs are nothing short of brilliant.....lots of F and J seats to sell at premium fares, a reasonable number of Y seats that can be sold at good fares and will not wreck yields, and lots and lots of room for very profitable cargo. I think that SQ knows exactly what they are doing.....

As for fuel and pollution, being that the 773ER is one of the most fuel effecient and enviornmentally friendly airliners around, I would not be very concerned.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10058 times:

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 2):
What a stupid configuration. Only 275 seats on 365 3-class configuration. What a waste of fuel and more pollution

EK and their 380 to 434 (2-class/3-class) seater 77W agree... Smile



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User currently offlineCobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9970 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
EK and their 380 to 434 (2-class/3-class) seater 77W agree

EK puts 385 or even 430 passengers on their 777-300ER's.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 12):
As for fuel and pollution, being that the 773ER is one of the most fuel effecient and enviornmentally friendly airliners around, I wold not be very concerned.


It is efficient if it has more seats.
It is not effiecient if you have a maximum of only 278 seats. The fuel burn per seat is 50% over normal,

The only thing more stupid is American plan to build around 100GW of new coal powerplant capacity by 2020, because we don't have enough pollution right now

Who cares if we can run out of oil 20 years before we could go?
[Edited 2006-11-25 19:49:54]

[Edited 2006-11-25 19:51:03]

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9944 times:

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 14):
EK puts 385 or even 430 passengers on their 777-300ER's.

In a rather high denisty arrangement.....AF also has high density 773ERs for specific routes from France to the Caribbean and Indian Ocean destinations. The high density configuration is needed t compensate for fares, demand the yeilds on the route.

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 14):

It is not offiecient if you have a maximum of only 278 seats. The fuel burn per seat is 50% over normal

I think that you are forgetting that SQ is in the business to make money.....take a look at F and J class fares as compared to Y class fares. Consider that the more seats that SQ offers to the Y class market, the lower yeilds will be in the long run. Those 50 premium seats will ensure that SQ makes a profit on each and every flight operated by the 773ER. Like it or not, that is the priority......airlines like SQ must make money on longhaul premium passengers and the 773ER with this type of configuration is the way that they can do it.


User currently offlineCobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9936 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 15):
I think that you are forgetting that SQ is in the business to make money.....

I know that they are the one of the most profitable airlines (I am not sure but I think BA is first, and AF-KLM second)

And Emirates makes a lot of money also


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9914 times:

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 14):

EK puts 385 or even 430 passengers on their 777-300ER's.

Er..isn't that what I said?  confused 



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9901 times:

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 16):
And Emirates makes a lot of money also



Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 16):
And Emirates makes a lot of money also

Take a look at the EK configuratiion for the A340-500 and there updated layouts for the 777 family (low density with 3 classes) and let me know what you think......not all that different from the SQ 773ER.

The SQ 773ERs are to be dedicated to longhaul routes with high premium demand, the high density EK 773s are used on shorter haul segments (lots of DXB to India services for example) where demand is high but yeilds are marginal. Big difference.


User currently offlineCobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9888 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
Er..isn't that what I said? confused

Sorry I first thought you were mentioning their A380 with 430 seats. My bad


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9805 times:

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 19):

Sorry I first thought you were mentioning their A380 with 430 seats. My bad

Got ya'...I could see how it was misinterpreted...all is good though.. Smile



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9555 times:

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 2):
What a stupid configuration. Only 275 seats on 365 3-class configuration. What a waste of fuel and more pollution

ANA only got 247 seats.


User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1344 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9401 times:

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 19):

So they should fill it up with Y seats, which might not necessarily be filled, make a loss, and burn fuel flying half empty planes around?? They are flying brand new, more fuel efficient a/c. There's not a whole lot else they can do until someone invents truly environmentally friendly planes. But that's not up to SQ. If you don't like it, don't fly.


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2185 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9177 times:

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 14):
It is efficient if it has more seats.
It is not effiecient if you have a maximum of only 278 seats. The fuel burn per seat is 50% over normal,

Well, if you look at how much space (~50%) is occupied by 80% of the pax, there is nothing environmentally worse than competitors, except for the 3-4-3 777s. Now, the fuel waste is about the premium pax, who in this configuration probably need more fuel per capita than a 2-2-2 J cabin. Then, you can always try to convince the J pax to change their habits...  tapedshut 



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3766 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9146 times:

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 14):
It is efficient if it has more seats.
It is not effiecient if you have a maximum of only 278 seats. The fuel burn per seat is 50% over normal,

Not on a revenue basis it isn't. If 278 seats generates more revenue than a configuration with more economy and less premium, then it's irrelevant.

SIA knows exactly what they are doing.



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User currently onlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1259 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7959 times:

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 14):
The only thing more stupid is American plan to build around 100GW of new coal powerplant capacity by 2020, because we don't have enough pollution right now

It should be noted that the new clean coal plants are some of the most environmentally friendly power generators available, save nuclear. Have you researched any of this?

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 23):
Well, if you look at how much space (~50%) is occupied by 80% of the pax

It should also be noted that a plane that is less densely populated is more likely to weigh less. If you compare the range and efficiency per mile of an EK 77W vs. an SQ 77W, I think that you would find that the SQ aircraft burns less fuel, ergo polluting less per mile than the more heavily burdened EK A/C.



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25 Carpethead : Most widebody aircraft have 6- or 7-abreast in business class. Exceptions are 5-abreast on some 767s and those carriers who have those slanted seat la
26 NW727251ADV : You must not have done your homework. 1-2-1 config is not anything new. A lot of airlines are starting to use this config especially the one's using
27 Planemanofnz : When do these birds go to Barcelona and Milan?
28 SQ_EK_freak : Cobra27, your argument would suggest that all aircraft, to maximize envinromental effiency, should be configured in an all Y-Class layout to accomadat
29 FlyingKangaroo : Stating from December the 77W operates to CDG. I'd say services to MXP and BCN would begin early next year as more aircraft arrive. flyingKangaroo
30 Supa7E7 : Cobra27 is right, this SQ bird is like a 2007 Bentley. It is opulent, powerful, large, and seats only a small number of people. Myself, I saw the SQ J
31 Supa7E7 : As Cobra factually points out.... SQ is burning 50% more fuel than EK per passenger on the 77W, both of which have modern premium cabins. There is no
32 Nethkt : I think comfortwise is just perfect. F and C psgr would be very happy to get what they really pay for. But, SIA 773ER will, for sure, burn the world's
33 CrazyHorse : But the airlines making their profits with First and Business Class passenger, not with Economy Class Passenger. SQ´s 77W will make much money with
34 SQ_EK_freak : Supa7E7, while I defnitley see the merit and validity in the points you and Cobra27 make, I would hardly compare the premium cabins of EK's 77Ws and S
35 Bh4007 : The fact that some airlines in the UK have 230-240 seats in their 757s does put it into perspective!
36 Post contains images Lufthansa747 : Then go fly that EK cattle truck. And who cares? Go join your local green party. Fly SS 744, AY M11 or EK 773 2-class if you so much like these HD la
37 Cobra27 : You have a point. And I someday I will. But airtravel is about speed and long distance. Not much about luxury. If you don't like flying, you wouldn't
38 Lufthansa747 : Perhaps for most yes. But I will happily pay for good C/F even on many intra-asia routes if I can avoid Air Asia and the likes even for one hour. For
39 SQ_EK_freak : Cobra27, given the fact that most airlines earn their largest profits in premium cabins goes against what you say about how air travel is mostly about
40 CrazyHorse : I agree, but the airlines try to make as much money as possible and for SQ this layout seems to be best way to do this. Other airlines will go a simi
41 Post contains images BoogyJay : OMG ! Only 275 seats instead of 365. For sure it means the aircraft is overweight and SQ is forced to do that in order to get full range ! Where are o
42 Lufthansa747 : Unfortunately these things do BKK also... 384 773 YC HD 386 77W YC HD 372 77W YC HD and a lot of SIN/CGK/KUL rotations too. BKK gets way too little F
43 Cobra27 : And why does everybody think that EK 777 with 10 abreast are cattle truck? They are still way more confortable than all CRJ, ERJ's (exept e -series),
44 Trex8 : I was on a TG 777 with 10 abreast once, it took a while to notice it was 10 abreast (of course boarding after midnight probably didn't help!). having
45 Brendows : Try to imagine that your shoulders are more than 17 inches wide... If your going to spend most of your day/night somewhere, you wouldn't want to feel
46 Post contains images RobK : No. The second one probably, but the third one hasn't even made its maiden flight yet so there's only 9V-SWB ready to go. Impossible as 9V-SWA delive
47 Nitrohelper : Why slam Americans, How about the pollution from plants in China & India ? Are the "lakes" of oil caused by the Russian pipeline leaks not a concern
48 Jacobin777 : EK's 777's are packed to the brim....hence why EK can't get enough of them....It doesn't seem as if pax are complaining too much about the 17 inches
49 Post contains links UAL747-600 : I think the picture below dated 11/17 shows 9V-SWB and 9V-SWC. Note the lack of forward placed sat antenae on both frames as compared to 9V-SWA. http
50 Post contains images Stitch : That is exactly what I saw, UAL777. As I was driving, I didn't stop to read the registrations, so I just assumed (with all the pitfalls that entails)
51 DRAIGONAIR : My father will be on this flight, ill aks him to take some photos so that i can post them here. cheers Nick
52 RobK : " target=_blank>http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne...ize=o It must have been 9V-SWB and SWD that you saw then after all (there is no SWC). R
53 UAL747-600 : So 777 # 600 (SV-SWD) is out of the paint shop and soon to be delivered. Congrats to BCA and SIA. UAL747-600
54 RobK : Well I wouldn't say that. It hasn't even flown yet so it'll be 3 weeks at least before it delivers. R
55 Post contains images Boeing767-300 : RE:SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28 Congratulations SQ you have finally discovered EKs successful formula of Boeing 77W and GE power e
56 RobK : 9V-SWB departs in half an hour (at 0600z) PAE-ICN as SIA777 if anyone's interested. R
57 Post contains images RobK : Apparently didn't get off the ground (along with the UAE 777) because PAE is snow bound. R
58 Stitch : Light flurries, but nothing sticking. Rain today, so she should be good to go.
59 NYC777 : UAE777 is in the air as we spek according to FlightAware. Also when will SIA receive it's 19th and final 77W (assuming they don't order more)?
60 UAL747-600 : Shame on me for misquoting information from your website!! In all seriousness, I visit your Seattle Deliveries website at least weekly and really enj
61 RobK : Thanks for your kind words. I appreciate them and it makes the job all the more worthwhile! R
62 NYC777 : Do you have a link to the web site...I've seem to have lost it.
63 Stitch : Yes it is a great resource, especially since I work across the street so I often get to see the birds take to the sky and fly around.
64 Post contains images Trex8 : hah, these Pacific Northwest types are a bunch of wimps, why would a little snow hinder anything!
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