Airbus claims to have solved the wiring issue, new A380 delivery dates will be met. (OK, but we have heard that before.) The delegation of engineers from EK sent to TLS was very happy with what they saw.
26 A380s have been assembled so far. (Without the cabin, I suppose).
Performance is better than expected, the 747-8 will be beaten in fuel efficiency by 17%. (How do they know?)
I am impressed with your faith in Airbus.......after everything that has occured with the A380 program. I am a skeptic and am looking forward to seeing some hard numbers. The 17% figure is an impressive one, but what exactly does it mean? We have no idea how the 17% number was computed, thus, its nothing more than ""Spin"" and PR at the point.
Assuming it is indeed 17% better on fuel per seat as I suppose it is (what else could 'fuel efficiency' mean?), I don't think it is that of a spectacular number.
Let's just do a rough evaluation of the numbers, to check them off :
The A380 was supposed to beat the 747-400 by 20% on a fuel/seat basis from the start.
All information from the engine manufacturers and Airbus has constantly hinted at a lower than expected fuel burn for the A380, which -although it has always been questioned as being 'unclear and unspecific information' can lead us to the idea the A380's real improvement over the 747-400 in fuel burn per seat is somewhere around 21 or 22%.
Now, given the fact we are now comparing not to the 747-400 but the 747-8, this should be reduced by whatever margin of improvement the 748 brings.
I suppose Airbus -quite fairly- uses a pax configuration for the 747-8 which is based on the same comfort levels for the individual pax as for their A380 (meaning less than the high pax numbers Boeing uses for their 748), so the real improvement from the 748 over the 744 could be as low as 5%, which is in line with what re-engining a plane normally brings as step forward....
ERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 19363 times:
I wanna wait and read boeings response to all of this. I hope someone orders it soon. The 767 continues to recieve orders why cant a the 747? I'm waiting though. Does anyone have concrete info on some 747-8i potential orders? make a seperate thread for us to read since this is an a380 thread and we should respect it as such.
I doubt it, it seems to have been some misquote by gulfnews. The German article mentions that they are currently working on 26 planes, which seems a lot more plausible. If indeed 26 had been assembled, Toulouse would have A380s lying around all over the place, and that isn't the case.
Ruscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1628 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 20201 times:
Boeings claim of 20% lower trip costs make sense to me. Smaller craft with engines even more advanced than those on the 380. In the configuration which Qantas and Singapore are using, they will have about 20% more seats than 748i.
I know you can't add % but we can get in the correct ballpark, and thats all we've got, but in rough terms seat mile costs of the 380 and 748 should be fairly similar, which really is bad considering the 380 was designed 40 years after the 747.
The 380 will really shine when the airlines jam people in like Sardines in a can, and they will, and be no more comfortable than any other craft, but then it has a chance to sell.
Slz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 19737 times:
Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 27): Boeings claim of 20% lower trip costs make sense to me.
Of course it does! it is a smaller plane. Which is why you need to look on a per seat basis...
Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 27): The 380 will really shine when the airlines jam people in like Sardines in a can, and they will, and be no more comfortable than any other craft, but then it has a chance to sell.
I think that when you compare the seat count of the 748 vs that of the A380 and have a look at the available floor space of both planes, you'll soon see which of the 2 is cramming pax in like sardines to prop up its seat count in an ultimate effort to get better CASM.
Fact is that when you want similar comfort levels on the 748 as on the A380 (a given number of seats per square meter), the seat count of the 748i needs to be significantly reduced from what Boeing constantly uses to make their calculations. I think this is what was done here by Airbus and in that case you indeed end up with a number like the one we have seen quoted in the article. I have a strong feeling it is also the reason why the 748I has been turned down by QF and SQ over more A380s for instance: unless the 748I is flown in some sort of cattle class, it simply can't match the fuel efficiency of the A380.