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First Pictures Of Martinair Cargo's First 747BCF

LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 12168 posts, RR: 57
Posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

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Here's the first picture of MP Cargo PH-MPP, a former SQ 747, which has been delivered to MP just yesterday:

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Photo © Sneeze Lam

IMO the aircraft would have looked much better with the old colours, but the new colours do look OK in this case.

Zu fettigem Käse und kalorienreicher Kunstmarmelade, nehme ich einen Doppelkorn.

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Paneuropean From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4062 times:

I think the aircraft looks much bigger in the new livery. Too bad Martinair didn't change their letter type. cheers.

NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 6848 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4048 times:

A nice-looking freighter. I remember when I travelled to Singapore in this aircraft exactly 10 years ago.

Falcon flyer From United States, joined Jul 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

Great looking airplane. Anyone know if they'll be used strictly to Asia or will they also fly the North and South America routes ?

My definition of cool ? Not trying so hard to be cool.

AirbusA346 From United Kingdom (England), joined Dec 2004, 7434 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

It a great looking plane and livery.

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And JAL's second BCF is at Xiamen

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And I posted about the aircraft at Xiamen a few days ago, when also mentioning that Air Atlanta have converted their 744.

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...eneral_aviation/read.main/3104402/

Shame we don't get to see photos like this when they are converted by IAI.

Tom.

Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).

OwlEye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 644 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

Great plane, great Martinair livery. Only that 'CARGO' uppercase (Univers-font) text addition and position in combination with the 'Martinair' (Helvetica-font) title is a very poor performance. It damages the all over livery. Why isn't anybody within Martinair concious about that...before they start to paint a plane? A comparison:

Martinair 1:
present scheme

Martinair 2:
Helvetica-Univers font combi where 'CARGO' is closer to 'Martinair' (more forward and higher positioned)

Martinair 3:
Only Helvetica font (more forward and higher positioned)

No problem when airlines choose another letterfont for 'cargo' than their brand but it is a problem when the combination doesn't look well balanced even when it is 'just' a cargo plane.

Source: http://www.liladesign.com/liladesign...gweblog/airlinebrandingweblog.html

[Edited 2006-11-26 12:24:46]

Paneuropean From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

Amen

Cloudyapple From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Jul 2005, 1945 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (2 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

Saw it at work on the cargo apron on Friday. Hong Kong is probably the most visited city in the world by B744BCFs. Cathay has 2, Dragon has 1, JAL, KAL MPH all send them here.

A310/A319/A332/A333/A343/A346/B732/B735/B738/B742/B74S/B744/B752/B763/B772/B773/B921/E145/MD83/MD90/MD11

NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 6848 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (2 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

Quoting OwlEye (Reply 5):
No problem when airlines choose another letterfont for 'cargo' than their brand but it is a problem when the combination doesn't look well balanced even when it is 'just' a cargo plane.

You´re right, the typefont combination on Martinairs Cargo aircraft wasn´t chosen with a keen eye. Large lowercase in combination with small uppercase looks odd. But: "Martinair" is in a modified font and not "Helvetica" (even closer to Univers than Helvetica), "Cargo" appears like standard Univers.

Ardian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

Question: what is the upperdeck used for? Also for cargo? I suppose it has a restarea too for the crew with a tiny galley?

Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (2 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

Yes, the placement of "CARGO" is rather awkward....anyone at Martinair paying attention????

Quoting OwlEye (Reply 5):
Martinair 3:
Only Helvetica font (more forward and higher positioned)

This is a well balanced scheme. How hard could it have been for Martinair to do the same?

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Lexy From United States, joined Jun 2006, 2258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Quoting Ardian (Reply 9):
Question: what is the upperdeck used for? Also for cargo? I suppose it has a restarea too for the crew with a tiny galley?

When I have been aboard China Airlines B744's the top level has a few business class seats, two beds, a lavatory, and a small ice box/microwave table in it. It is basically a "rest area" for the crew. I can only assume it is the same in this B744 as well.

Nashville, Tennessee KBNA

Johnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

Can anybody explain why the KLM/AF-Group operates B747-freighters in three airlines within the group?!?

Johnny

Falcon flyer From United States, joined Jul 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 2514 times:

My vote goes to door #3 with both words in similar font.

My definition of cool ? Not trying so hard to be cool.

AirbusA346 From United Kingdom (England), joined Dec 2004, 7434 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

Quoting Johnny (Reply 12):

What do you mean??

Tom.

Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).

Johnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

Hi Tom,

AFAIK Martinair is related to KLM, which belongs to AF...

So three airlines operate B747-freighters within the same airline-group.

Johnny

AirbusA346 From United Kingdom (England), joined Dec 2004, 7434 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

Quoting Johnny (Reply 15):

Oh OK you confused me.

I knew Martinair were part of KLM, and KLM is part AF.

laughing

Tom.

Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).

TF39 From United States, joined Jul 2006, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

Quoting OwlEye (Reply 5):
Great plane, great Martinair livery. Only that 'CARGO' uppercase (Univers-font) text addition and position in combination with the 'Martinair' (Helvetica-font) title is a very poor performance. It damages the all over livery. Why isn't anybody within Martinair concious about that...before they start to paint a plane? No problem when airlines choose another letterfont for 'cargo' than their brand but it is a problem when the combination doesn't look well balanced even when it is 'just' a cargo plane.

Astute observation OwlEye. I'm wondering if Martinair wanted to downplay the "Cargo" title so as not to inadvertently re-brand the airline as a cargo-only operations. Especially since the current "Cargo" looks to be somewhat obscured by the wing bend. Then again, maybe freighters just don't get the due respect and attention from Marketing that their passenger carrying brethren do Wink

Ardian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

Quoting Lexy (Reply 11):

Thanks for clearing that up! So it seems the crew have an immense area all for themselves! Smile

ContinentalFan From United States, joined Oct 2000, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

Quoting Ardian (Reply 18):
Thanks for clearing that up! So it seems the crew have an immense area all for themselves!

Actually, only about half of the interior of upper deck remains, the ceiling of the main deck under the back half of the upper deck is raised to allow room for more cargo, so the back half of the upper deck is not used. In fact I doubt that there's any more room upstairs than on a short-humped 747. The new bulkhead is probably right behind the upstairs emergency exit.

Lexy From United States, joined Jun 2006, 2258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 1451 times:

Quoting ContinentalFan (Reply 19):
Thanks for clearing that up! So it seems the crew have an immense area all for themselves!

My pleasure.

I have been on the China Airlines Cargo B744 here in Nashville two times, and every time we had two or three "extra" people with us. Always had plenty of room to move, but it was a bit cramped in places. Usually, one or two of us would just take a seat in one of the business class seats and wait for the others to finish up taking flight-deck pictures. But with their three standard crew members, there is plenty of room for them to relax on their flights. Now where they sleep...that's another story.

Nashville, Tennessee KBNA

CX747 From United States, joined May 1999, 4283 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

It is good to see that these 747-400s will have many years of life ahead of them rather than being sent to the scrap yard.

"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower

OwlEye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 644 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 1315 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 10):
Quoting OwlEye (Reply 5):
Martinair 3:
Only Helvetica font (more forward and higher positioned)

This is a well balanced scheme. How hard could it have been for Martinair to do the same?

Even scheme 2 would have been very acceptable: it's just a matter of exact positioning and proportions though scheme 3 looks indeed the best:

How poor and wobbling looking is Martinair's B747BCF right side paint:

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