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American Eagle:possible New Service?  
User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6305 times:

Last summer (2005) it seemed as though American Eagle was expanding and announcing new routes like gang busters. Several routes to the DFW hub were started to smaller midwestern cities and also new routes were announced from the MIA hub. Lately it seems like AAEagle has been quiet. Some of the routes got cut (examples off the top of my head: DFW-GRB, DFW-RST (Rochester, Minn), DFW-TOL) but most stayed (MLI-DFW, CMI (Champaign, IL)-DFW, PIA(Peoria, IL)-DFW, for example). Could any of these routes be started back up? Could AAEagle also expand to new cities? I could maybe see former cities started up. For example, FSD(Sioux Falls) had AAConnex service after the TWA buyout to STL, when the STL hub was right-sized, the service shifted to AAEagle to ORD and then was cut completely. Same story with LNK (Lincoln, NE). Maybe new routes like FSD-DFW, or LNK-DFW could be possible. I also thought we would maybe see TLH-DFW/MIA and PNS-MIA as I thought those had been rumored for a while. Thanks in advance!

[Edited 2006-11-26 16:58:56]

[Edited 2006-11-26 16:59:50]

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User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6223 times:

I would think something to CAK might be able to work. Thoughts?

User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6118 times:

Maybe a PVD-DFW flight with a CR7?

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6109 times:

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 2):
Maybe a PVD-DFW flight with a CR7?

OMG.. that sounds like torture! Sounds like lock-knees, lock-ankles, lock-head, lock-jaw, lock-back.. oh.. everything would be locked up!



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6102 times:

I think Eagle would be very successfull on CRW-DFW with a few Erj's.

User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6090 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
OMG.. that sounds like torture! Sounds like lock-knees, lock-ankles, lock-head, lock-jaw, lock-back.. oh.. everything would be locked up!

Is there something ud like to tell us about ur last CR7 experience?  Silly


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6733 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6081 times:

Until Eagle gets some more planes, there won't be much growth. I think AA would like to get their hands on more 70-seaters, but that will depend on how negotiations go with the AA pilots. Plus, with possible consolidation/bidding wars, AA will likely stick to their conservative growth strategy until they see how things shake out.

User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 6022 times:

I think expansion at Eagle is on hold. The company recently hired an outside consulting company to review all operational aspects of the company to make sure they are "competitive" on the cost side to other regionals. Until this is completed, i doubt there will be new markets or aircraft.

A letter went out to the rank and file last week. Many feel it is a prelude to wage cuts. I thought Eagle was kind of in the middle of the pack when it came to costs.

Any thoughts?



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 6014 times:

You might see some new markets opened up with Executive Airlines ATRs, such as Grand Turk or Cayman Brac, but don't look for MQ expansion anytime soon. Executive does not fully utlize their ATR fleet, so there is plenty of room for them to grow. Miami-Cozumel was to start this December, but then they had second thoughts about sending an ATR from Miami to Mexico so it is on hold for now.


a.
User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 5968 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 6):
I think AA would like to get their hands on more 70-seaters

AMR has options for 25 more CR7's but are very unhappy with their performance. They are currently evaluating the EMB 170 and may make a decision after the Bain project is complete.



DCA
User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5960 times:

It would be a good idea if Eagle gave a second SBA-DFW (and DFW-SBA). They have one, and every flight is sold out, every day almost.


"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5959 times:

A question I should know the answer to, but I don't...

What are the restrictions in the mainline pilot contract on 70-seater flying? How many CR7s is MQ currently operating?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5936 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 10):
It would be a good idea if Eagle gave a second SBA-DFW (and DFW-SBA). They have one, and every flight is sold out, every day almost.

They don't have any CR7s to spare, and adding a second flight risks hurting yields.



a.
User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5896 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 6):
Until Eagle gets some more planes, there won't be much growth. I think AA would like to get their hands on more 70-seaters, but that will depend on how negotiations go with the AA pilots.

I would love to see YOW-DFW and YOW-MIA with Eagle with YOW-MIA going mainline in the winter, but until more 70-seaters come onboard, that's just a pipe dream.


User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5891 times:

I would hope AA is looking at BIL as a possible Eagle destination. It's a very fast-growing market and an up-and-coming city with tons of new business ventures right around the corner. Plus, it is the main airport for a 150-mile radius in some directions and 300-mile radius in other directions.


Good goes around!
User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5873 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
They don't have any CR7s to spare, and adding a second flight risks hurting yields.

They could kick some bad routes to the can and start adding or starting routes with much more success, or they could take some very succesful routes and replace some CR9's/E-175/E-195 with the CR7's. They could use some CR9's or E-175/195.



"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5820 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 15):
They could use some CR9's or E-175/195.

Won't happen



DCA
User currently offlineSaabFA71 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5606 times:

Eagle just started MDT-DFW service this year......1 daily CRJ-700. The flight I heard is always packed. Perhaps a second could be in the works, but it sounds like Eagle has all their other aircraft tied up in other markets. I heard rumors last year a MDT-MIA sevice was being looked at. That would have been nice since MDT has no nonstops to any Florida cities. I wouldn't mind seeing Eagle do MDT-BOS or MDT-JFK. The only service to BOS from MDT is offered by USAirwys Express using Dash 8s. The JFK service can offer connections to Europe and the Carribbean (especially for customers in the AAdvantage program).


I used all of my sick days, so now I'm calling in dead.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5573 times:

Quoting SaabFA71 (Reply 17):
Eagle just started MDT-DFW service this year......1 daily CRJ-700. T

Yes, but, as with all Eagle routes, it came at the expense of another: BUF-DFW.

Quoting SaabFA71 (Reply 17):
I heard rumors last year a MDT-MIA sevice was being looked at.

MIA-MDT is a route that AA has been looking at for the past two years as they build up RJ routes from Miami. But there will be no further RJ expansion from Miami until more RJs are delivered to AA.



a.
User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5536 times:

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 1):
I would think something to CAK might be able to work. Thoughts?

acutaly... there was talk for a while of dropping CLE and moving in favor of significantly lower costs.... that faded however and I heard they are finalizing the contracts with CLE since AA's expired last January....

Quoting Akizidy214 (Reply 9):
AMR has options for 25 more CR7's but are very unhappy with their performance

Options canceled... that happend a while ago iirc...

I don't think we will see much if any expansion of eagle until AA's pilots get a new contract... the current contract is just becoming amendable so... until that gets ironed out I don't think much will happen... Just look at the current climate... AA pilots publicly not endorcing the current China bid...



Why do I fly???
User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5438 times:

Does their contract have any say on how many jets AA connection can fly as well? I know CHS is doing very well with what I think is now 3 flights a day to DFW, but was wondering what MYR or ILM would have to do to get some DFW service.

User currently offlineBrownBat From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5364 times:

From what I've heard AE has plans for major growth in the near future but they just don't have the necessary man power especially pilots. Right now they've got way more people leaving then coming in at an alarming rate and they are pretty much desperate.

User currently offlineDw9115 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 449 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5364 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Thread starter):
For example, FSD(Sioux Falls) had AAConnex service after the TWA buyout to STL, when the STL hub was right-sized, the service shifted to AAEagle to ORD and then was cut completely. Same story with LNK (Lincoln, NE). Maybe new routes like FSD-DFW, or LNK-DFW could be possible

Both those cities made money for AA but ORD and the mess it is, is what caused those routes to be cut. I know FSD was said to get DFW service but it never happened and now the airport anyway cares more about getting Frontier and a hope of Midwest to maybe come in with a FRJ and getting America West (US Airways) Phoenix back seasonally.


User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5228 times:

Anybody know what happened to MIA-BHM. It was announced last year but never happened AFAIK.


Where are all of my respected members going?
User currently offlineDolphinflyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 204 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5082 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Yes, but, as with all Eagle routes, it came at the expense of another: BUF-DFW.

It makes no sense to me that AE decided to cut DFW-BUF, but retained both DFW-ROC and DFW-SYR. BUF and ALB are the larger O&D markets in New York State than ROC and SYR. My understanding is that ALB-DFW is slightly out of range (by AE operating standards) for the CR7.

It's a shame that AE doesn't have more (quantity) and larger (capacity) regional jets, but that's all due to the damn scope clause with their mainline pilots. I'd love to see some EMB 175s/190s in American Eagle colors. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening anytime soon.


25 MCOflyer : I can see EMB 170's but EMB175 and 190 won't happen until a new contract is made up. I would like to see more 145's come online. MIA-Cozumel on a ATR,
26 Thegooddoctor : CRJ/ERJ for more than an hour = MAJOR SUCKAGE! ...As in not fun. Undesirable. Torturous. Hell. You get the idea...
27 Access-Air : Actually, I would love to see AAEagle to reinstate airservice from Moline to St. Louis....maybe 4 times per day...with the EMB-145.. Moline needs anot
28 BillReid : What is wrong with SRQ-MIA, SRQ-DFW?
29 Post contains images ATLAaron : WOW, not sure that would be a good idea. I would think maybe ADDING CAK but not dropping CLE for it would be a good idea. If they were forced to choo
30 Yellowtail : You know what would be nice, as MWSat 8am BZE-MIA with a Sun/Tue/Fri 5pm MIA-BZE.....lots of premium business traffic to BGI,POS,KIN etc from BZE..all
31 UncGSO : hey all...does MQ do much out of STL? I would think a flight or 2 a day STL-GSO would do ok. The new ORD flights seem to be doing well from what ive h
32 MAH4546 : St. Louis is handled mainly by American Connection. MQ has some flights, but to other MQ bases, like JFK. GSO-STL has about 0.1% chance of happening.
33 Lat41 : In the middle of a major pool of population and commerce at PVD, Eagle is the only show in town with just 3 ERJ140s to ORD. 4 mainline AA ORD flights
34 ERJ170 : Is RDU a base? 3 of our 4 are MQ.
35 Post contains links PVD757 : well, AEagle just freed up some ERDs that used to run the BOS-BWI route... http://www.boston.com/business/artic.../28/american_to_drop_2_key_routes/ U
36 Lat41 : RE reply 35: AA ERDs are the only representation of American Airlines in any form in town I should have written. Thus, UA has absorbed the PVD/ORD tra
37 AEflyguy : "From what I've heard AE has plans for major growth in the near future but they just don't have the necessary man power especially pilots. Right now t
38 MAH4546 : Yes, though those planes have already been reassigned. They are being used for frequency increases, such as 4th daily MIA-CLT.
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