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SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area  
User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5921 times:

Link below talks abot SkyValue moving into Gary Airport in Indiana. The writer talkes about Hooters Air not making it there and nor did Southeast or Pan Am. So hardships for SkyValue? They are offering free parking and cheaper fares to Las Vegas. SkyValue at $89 vs Southwest at $109. Who will win this battle of LCC's?

http://nwitimes.com/articles/2006/11...a754ac397629378625723300117f87.txt


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5160 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5910 times:

Southwest of course...Skyvalue is nothing more than Xtra Airlines leasing their birds and service out--ultimately 'Skyvalue' will disappear with Xtra still doing what they do. Its not even a battle between LCCs so to speak. Why can't airlines make Gary work...or is it the wrong airlines try and make it work?


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User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5799 times:

Welp, I wish GYY well, so I guess that means I wish SkyValue well. FWIW, here's their schedule:
http://www.flyskyvalue.com/schedule.html


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

I'm sorry but I get a chuckle out of this idea. Lets see how long this lasts before they pull out or go under. Who is going to use GYY when you have ORD and MDW down the highway? With WN, FL and TZ having the low fare market very well covered in the area I don't see how this will work.


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5591 times:

In order to get real traction, GYY is going to have to get a "real" LCC or major to offer service, possibly at the expense of SBN. SBN is close enough to GYY or IND to give them alternatives.


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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5574 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 1):
Why can't airlines make Gary work...or is it the wrong airlines try and make it work?

I think you answered your own question!

It is only academic that one day an airline will find a niche in Gary and be successful...the size of the metro demands it, so what if the surrounding area isn't the greatest, if the facility is a secure, and modern place for airlines and passengers to conduct business it should not matter.

The airlines that have landed in Gary up to this point could not make ANY of their services work, not just those alighting in Gary.
What will be the litmus test is the arrival of an airline with a gameplan that goes beyond staying solvent for just another day.....
As for this Skyvalue, I've never put much stock in these airlines using another airlines equipment, or being nothing more than public charters....by their very nature they are short-term business plans that add nothing to the longevity of sustained commercial airline service to places like Gary.

When SkyBus of CMH gets going, and if they chose GYY (along with RFD) like I've heard rumored, that will be the real test. From this the hope that a major will notice and start service of their own....small at first.
Airline service unfortunately is not something that grows overnight, the future is inevitable for Gary, someday......when? Maybe it is only just beginning.



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9299 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5538 times:

Part of the problem is before they even get their first flight off the ground....

SkyValue....

not a good idea when the name "VALUjet" is still in everyone's memory.



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User currently offline777FlyGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5522 times:

The next time someone has the brilliant idea to start an airline, why don't they just take $100 million and flush it down the toilet up front? It would save a heck of a lot of time and create less stress for the people they hire and inevitably put out of work. Anyone who wants to startup an airline these days must have a death wish. And please, no comparisons to B6! That was 6 years ago in a different business climate. It's unlikely many/any new startups are going to make it today, with the possible exception of Virgin, assuming they get to fly.

User currently offlineKingAirMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5446 times:

What type of A/C are they using ?

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5448 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5399 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 6):
Part of the problem is before they even get their first flight off the ground....

SkyValue....

not a good idea when the name "VALUjet" is still in everyone's memory.

I don't know. I think ValuJet is fading in peoples minds pretty fast, and honestly, the name SkyValue doesn't even link in my mind to ValuJet.

-Dave



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5351 times:

Apparently Skyvalue bookings to IWA have been strong, already talking about an additional flight each week. Personally can't consider Skyvalue an airline unless its have its own planes.

Looks like Xrta will be busy this winter with providing lift for both Skyvalue and Western.


User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3188 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

Quoting KingAirMan (Reply 8):
What type of A/C are they using ?

737-800


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5347 times:
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Quoting AirCop (Reply 10):
Looks like Xrta will be busy this winter with providing lift for both Skyvalue and Western.

At least they can use IWA as a place to switch out a/c between the two operations, perhaps.



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5317 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 9):
I think ValuJet is fading in peoples minds pretty fast, and honestly, the name SkyValue doesn't even link in my mind to ValuJet.

It was a few years I was involved in a research project testing words and their impression on the public.
StlGph is on the right track tho', but it isn't so much the (perceived) link to valuJet as it how people view the word "Value". Interesting to say the least.

The word has become associated with generic products and brands.
If my memory serves me correctly, WalMart has a line of food products named "Value-*something*", and they being the mother of all retailers, stuff like that has a tendency of sticking.....so where this leads in the mind of consumers is: There is the recognized name brand, and then there is the "value" brand; The product they purchase when money is tight.

Now how this will translate into Aviation is anyone's guess, as the aforementioned research was in conjunction with durable goods and not a service.
Many businesses the last decade or so have built customer bases on offering "Value", but not the best, or most desirable product.
To make a long story short, The word "Value": is on the border-line of being a negative! (Something like 51 to 49)

Personally, the name "SkyValue" does nothing for me, research notwithstanding. These people obviously didn't do their own research, which is very affordable nowadays....could have done their own project for around $5000.....and picked a name that resonates with consumers, rather than one stolen from a can of generic creamed corn.



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User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5186 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 1):



Quoting N328KF (Reply 4):

I think you guys hit it right on the head.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5160 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5148 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 13):
To make a long story short, The word "Value": is on the border-line of being a negative! (Something like 51 to 49)

I agree--If I flew on SkyValue or any carrier with the name Value in it you all probably would never know "What airline did you fly Drerx7?" "Oh I flew SkyVa---err uhm American"



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5448 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5071 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 13):
To make a long story short, The word "Value": is on the border-line of being a negative! (Something like 51 to 49)

I agree 100%.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 13):
Personally, the name "SkyValue" does nothing for me, research notwithstanding. These people obviously didn't do their own research, which is very affordable nowadays....could have done their own project for around $5000.....and picked a name that resonates with consumers, rather than one stolen from a can of generic creamed corn.

I vote for JetAmerica. Someday it will fly again  Smile.

-Dave



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User currently offline777FlyGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5060 times:

Hey, it's not any worse than the name Skybus.

User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3522 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4986 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Thread starter):
Who will win this battle of LCC's?

 rotfl 



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4949 times:
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Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 16):
I vote for JetAmerica. Someday it will fly again

Does Alaska still have rights to the Jet America brand name?


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5448 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 19):
Does Alaska still have rights to the Jet America brand name?

Good question. With the name "Western" now in play again, maybe AS has/will let the rights to "JetAmerica" slip away. Honestly, though, if they do have the rights I'm guessing they'd hold onto them, or else require a cash payment of some sort. When anyone can make up an airline name for free, I don't know if it would be worth it.

All I know is that it would fit a national low-cost carrier well.

-Dave



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User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3188 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4492 times:

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 12):
At least they can use IWA as a place to switch out a/c between the two operations, perhaps.

Possible, but Western says they're using 737-400 while SkyValue says 737-800.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 13):
WalMart has a line of food products named "Value-*something*"

Their brand name you're thinking of is "Great Value".


User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 4103 times:

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 21):
Their brand name you're thinking of is "Great Value".

They also use "Equate" (as in referencing "equal", or "as good as") for many of their products.



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User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 3):
Who is going to use GYY

People who live closer to GYY than to MDW, IND, or SBN, if prices and flight selection are equal. And that's easily more people than in, say, PIA, which supports an airport just fine.
But I'm guessing prices will be cheaper and flight selection will be less, so...I dunno.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

This is a followup article with other info.

Looks like they plan to stay totally a "virtual" airline, outsourcing everything.

Quote:
Elko, Nev.-based Xtra Airways is first among the contractors SkyValue is relying on to deliver first-rate service. In addition to planes, it will supply mechanics and flight crews. Other contractors are the Vacation Express reservations center, in Atlanta, and the Gary Jet Center, which is providing ticket agents.

http://nwitimes.com/articles/2006/11...93e6b246e0395c862572330079d09c.txt



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