QXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2408 posts, RR: 5 Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6871 times:
Link below talks abot SkyValue moving into Gary Airport in Indiana. The writer talkes about Hooters Air not making it there and nor did Southeast or Pan Am. So hardships for SkyValue? They are offering free parking and cheaper fares to Las Vegas. SkyValue at $89 vs Southwest at $109. Who will win this battle of LCC's?
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6860 times:
Southwest of course...Skyvalue is nothing more than Xtra Airlines leasing their birds and service out--ultimately 'Skyvalue' will disappear with Xtra still doing what they do. Its not even a battle between LCCs so to speak. Why can't airlines make Gary work...or is it the wrong airlines try and make it work?
Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4617 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6566 times:
I'm sorry but I get a chuckle out of this idea. Lets see how long this lasts before they pull out or go under. Who is going to use GYY when you have ORD and MDW down the highway? With WN, FL and TZ having the low fare market very well covered in the area I don't see how this will work.
Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6524 times:
Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 1): Why can't airlines make Gary work...or is it the wrong airlines try and make it work?
I think you answered your own question!
It is only academic that one day an airline will find a niche in Gary and be successful...the size of the metro demands it, so what if the surrounding area isn't the greatest, if the facility is a secure, and modern place for airlines and passengers to conduct business it should not matter.
The airlines that have landed in Gary up to this point could not make ANY of their services work, not just those alighting in Gary.
What will be the litmus test is the arrival of an airline with a gameplan that goes beyond staying solvent for just another day.....
As for this Skyvalue, I've never put much stock in these airlines using another airlines equipment, or being nothing more than public charters....by their very nature they are short-term business plans that add nothing to the longevity of sustained commercial airline service to places like Gary.
When SkyBus of CMH gets going, and if they chose GYY (along with RFD) like I've heard rumored, that will be the real test. From this the hope that a major will notice and start service of their own....small at first.
Airline service unfortunately is not something that grows overnight, the future is inevitable for Gary, someday......when? Maybe it is only just beginning.
777FlyGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6472 times:
The next time someone has the brilliant idea to start an airline, why don't they just take $100 million and flush it down the toilet up front? It would save a heck of a lot of time and create less stress for the people they hire and inevitably put out of work. Anyone who wants to startup an airline these days must have a death wish. And please, no comparisons to B6! That was 6 years ago in a different business climate. It's unlikely many/any new startups are going to make it today, with the possible exception of Virgin, assuming they get to fly.
Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6267 times:
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 9): I think ValuJet is fading in peoples minds pretty fast, and honestly, the name SkyValue doesn't even link in my mind to ValuJet.
It was a few years I was involved in a research project testing words and their impression on the public.
StlGph is on the right track tho', but it isn't so much the (perceived) link to valuJet as it how people view the word "Value". Interesting to say the least.
The word has become associated with generic products and brands.
If my memory serves me correctly, WalMart has a line of food products named "Value-*something*", and they being the mother of all retailers, stuff like that has a tendency of sticking.....so where this leads in the mind of consumers is: There is the recognized name brand, and then there is the "value" brand; The product they purchase when money is tight.
Now how this will translate into Aviation is anyone's guess, as the aforementioned research was in conjunction with durable goods and not a service.
Many businesses the last decade or so have built customer bases on offering "Value", but not the best, or most desirable product.
To make a long story short, The word "Value": is on the border-line of being a negative! (Something like 51 to 49)
Personally, the name "SkyValue" does nothing for me, research notwithstanding. These people obviously didn't do their own research, which is very affordable nowadays....could have done their own project for around $5000.....and picked a name that resonates with consumers, rather than one stolen from a can of generic creamed corn.
PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 6963 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6021 times:
Quoting Stirling (Reply 13): To make a long story short, The word "Value": is on the border-line of being a negative! (Something like 51 to 49)
I agree 100%.
Quoting Stirling (Reply 13): Personally, the name "SkyValue" does nothing for me, research notwithstanding. These people obviously didn't do their own research, which is very affordable nowadays....could have done their own project for around $5000.....and picked a name that resonates with consumers, rather than one stolen from a can of generic creamed corn.
I vote for JetAmerica. Someday it will fly again .
Good question. With the name "Western" now in play again, maybe AS has/will let the rights to "JetAmerica" slip away. Honestly, though, if they do have the rights I'm guessing they'd hold onto them, or else require a cash payment of some sort. When anyone can make up an airline name for free, I don't know if it would be worth it.
All I know is that it would fit a national low-cost carrier well.
People who live closer to GYY than to MDW, IND, or SBN, if prices and flight selection are equal. And that's easily more people than in, say, PIA, which supports an airport just fine.
But I'm guessing prices will be cheaper and flight selection will be less, so...I dunno.
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4819 times:
This is a followup article with other info.
Looks like they plan to stay totally a "virtual" airline, outsourcing everything.
Quote: Elko, Nev.-based Xtra Airways is first among the contractors SkyValue is relying on to deliver first-rate service. In addition to planes, it will supply mechanics and flight crews. Other contractors are the Vacation Express reservations center, in Atlanta, and the Gary Jet Center, which is providing ticket agents.