N202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1568 posts, RR: 3 Posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 360 times:
Do the airlines that operate the F-28/F-70/F-100 like the aircraft? I know that some of the more prominent operators of the Fokker jet series are Horizon (F-28), USAirways (F-100), FlightWest (F-28), and Midway (F-100).
Does anyone know if these airlines have any maintenance problems with these aircraft? I read somewhere on here that on operator was having a lot of trouble with keeping the F-100 in shape, but I forget which. Also, are these aircraft more or less cost-effective on short runs when compared to older 737-200s and DC-9s?
Finally, does anyone know how much it would cost to dry-lease an F-28/F-70/F-100 vs. purchasing one?
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4481 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 297 times:
The Fokker 100/70 were pretty economical aircraft, has economics which match current RJs and beats MD-80/737NGs. But the problem is Fokker went bankrupt, so you can't order new aircraft if your fleet needs them, and the company which now overhauls and makes spares is giving bad and expensive service/support which makes some airlines grew tired of the F-100.
Not much are now available for lease, I guess prices are only marginally lower than a 737-300 or MD-80 of the same age, and higher than a BAe 146 of which a lot are parked for lease now.
The F-28 is noisy and has a bad safety record, but I think it was more economical (seat mile wise) than its contemporaries like 737-2 and DC-9-10.
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Sn330 From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 16 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 264 times:
I think the Fokkers are a great aircraft, especially the 100, only problem though is that they went bankrupt, and some buisnessmen are trying to restart the company. But, anyway, the Fokker100 is perfect, as it is a great compromise between the MD80/737/A320 and the commuter aircraft. I have flown on them several times, and they are nice aircraft to fly on.
DCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4595 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 253 times:
US Airways and American seem to like the Fokker 100--US painted its 40 planes in the new livery, which suggests they're hanging onto them for awhile. The DC9's and MD80s are not being painted. I can't visit an airport served by AA without seeing theirs. Neither airline has, or to my knowledge has on order, 100-seat aircraft to replace the F100. Despite the wide selection available--736, 717, and soon the A318. And several RJ 100 seaters coming in the next few years as well. If anyone knows differently about US or AA please inform.
As a passenger, I dislike the Fokker jets very much. The fuselage is not wide enough for five seats across, and my back (5'11", 190 lb) doesnt' fit the curved seatbacks well. The curved seatback is Fokker's attempt to compensate for the lack of width in the cabin. The DC9/ M80/ 717 fuselage, by comparison, is plenty wide for five across.
The only passenger plus about the Fokker jets is that their T-tail, rear-engine arrangement means more coach window seats ahead of the windows, suitable for aerial photography.
All this said, I'll take the Fokker jets over ANY prop, any day.
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Fokplanes From Spain, joined Oct 2000, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 252 times:
I totally agree with you SN330. As I work for the supporting company which tries to keep the Fokkers into services as long as possible I get a lot of possitive respons from the airlines who operates them.
Especially British Midland, KLMUK, MALEV and Austrian Airl are very happy with their F100/F70 acft.
The F28 has a difficult job to keep a possition in the market (high fuel burning against high raw oil price)
The F50 which I like most will be replaced by some airlines by regional jets. But this is not because the F50 is a bad acft. Passengers are asking for regional jets. In their oppinion turboprops are ageing acft.
Currently there is an investigation to check if it is interesting from business point of view to offer a modification kit to transfer some passenger F50's in a full cargo configuration.
Some Airlines like Uk based Channel Express and Swiss based Farnair are likely to operate full cargo F50's in the near future.
So it seems that the Fokkers will continue to dominate the sky for the years to come.