Jimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7752 times:
Air France update issued on 27NOV06 on Amadeus....
GGAIRAFNEWS A F N E W S EN 27NOV06 1516Z
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27NOV-PP.EA* CANCELLATION IN EUROPE FROM JAN TO MAR07 *PP*
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CANCELLATION OF FLIGHTS IN EUROPE ON THE FOLLOWING DESTINATIONS:
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- BLQ, MIL, ROM, TRN
- FRA, DUS, MUC, STR
- PRG, MAD, GVA, IST, LHR
I guess they meant to say the frequencies but didn't bother to put that word in, otherwise cancelling 11 daily flights to GVA sounds bizarre.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11126 posts, RR: 63 Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7736 times:
Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter): I guess they meant to say the frequencies but didn't bother to put that word in, otherwise cancelling 11 daily flights to GVA sounds bizarre
Yes if they cancelled all of those it would be suicide, LHR, GVA, MAD, ROM, FRA especially, although all are pretty major feeder services for their long haul flights.
YULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2109 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7664 times:
Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter): CANCELLATION OF FLIGHTS IN EUROPE ON THE FOLLOWING DESTINATIONS:
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Does not mean cancellation of the destination!
Especially when the list includes LHR, MIL, FCO, GVA, FRA!
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6877 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5412 times:
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3128 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5262 times:
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 5): My guess that Air Berlin is taking a good chunk of the traffic. they serves just about every major German city from Paris.
No, it's just that their routemap is misleading, showing connecting flights as direct lines. But in reality, AB service to Paris is very limited: they only have 5-weekly service to NUE, and 3 daily flight inherited from DBA, DUS-ORY. And there is Niki's service to Vienna, but that's it.
It seems like a very normal reduction of the schedule during the winter season.
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 61 Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5174 times:
I suggested deletion of this treat.
First, the "title" is wrong.
Then this information on the Amadeus page is not a big scoop.
The Jan-Mar period is traditionnaly a very low season, after Chrsitmas and New Year.
This is just a warning that some flights can be sometimes cancelled to avoid overcapacity, especially on these destinations which are among AF's biggest routes on its European network (especially to GVA, DUS, LHR, MUC, FCO, MAD) and served by so many Daily flights.
Jimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4928 times:
Quoting Joost (Reply 7): it's just that their routemap is misleading
Not my own route map because I don't specify CDG/ORY
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8): Then this information on the Amadeus page is not a big scoop.
The Jan-Mar period is traditionnaly a very low season, after Chrsitmas and New Year.
Again, when it comes to first look, title looked misleading but rather funny. But it doesn't really qualify deletion.
Cgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1077 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4814 times:
I agree the post is badly worded. There is a huge difference between cancelling some flights and discontinuing service altogether.
I've flown DUS-CDGat least 10 times in the past 3 years. The 07:25 flight was usually well booked as it connects to a lot of AF flights departing late morning and noontime.
Because next year both the TGV and ICE will link Paris to Germany.
It will then only take three hours to get from Paris to Frankfurt or Stuttgart. That will dramatically affect the loads only connecting passengers will then use the plane. Thus the reduction of frequencies.
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4106 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4358 times:
I can't imagine AF cancelling IST. It was my very first flight over 20 years ago. Last summer 3xdaily mostly 320,319s. Maybe reducing it to two during the slow winter season. I can't see them dropping down less than that if they really want to compete with TKs 2xdaily.
Goldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1673 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2436 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 12): I can't imagine AF cancelling IST
Don't worry ! As said by FlySSC, AF doesn't drop these routes. It's just frequencies adjustments. IST is a successful route for AF. Can you imagine an airline dropping routes to major capitals like LHR, FRA, PRG (a skyteam hub), FCO, etc !
Gbfra From Germany, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2410 times:
I've flown FRA-CDG and vice versa quite often in recent years, even before Air Berlin came into play.
AFs morning and late afternoon flights should serve them well but the others probably don't. I remember them cancelling their latest evening flight more than once so I had to hurry from Terminal 2 to Terminal 1 in order to catch the last LH flight which was usally packed. They also cancelled their late morning flight at 10.50 more than once.
It appears that LH is too strong here although I never understood why. I always preferred AF on FRA-CDG but obviously I'm in a minority.
Goldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1673 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2383 times:
Quoting Gbfra (Reply 15): AFs morning and late afternoon flights should serve them well but the others probably don't. I remember them cancelling their latest evening flight more than once so I had to hurry from Terminal 2 to Terminal 1 in order to catch the last LH flight which was usally packed. They also cancelled their late morning flight at 10.50 more than once.
LH is also cancelling flights quite often on this route
Gbfra From Germany, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2369 times:
Ah, thank you for the information.
I usually fly AF so I'm not familiar with what LH is doing precisely.
But every time AF cancelled a flight I could take the next LH flight. But that's just my experience.
Faster trains might in fact do additional damage to these routes. Today it takes six hours from Frankfurt to Paris by train but if it will take three hours in the future the train will become competetive given the time you lose at airports and from airports to the city.
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