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Air France Cancel Frequencies From JAN To MAR 07  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8954 times:

Air France update issued on 27NOV06 on Amadeus....

GGAIRAFNEWS A F N E W S EN 27NOV06 1516Z
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27NOV-PP.EA* CANCELLATION IN EUROPE FROM JAN TO MAR07 *PP*
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CANCELLATION OF FLIGHTS IN EUROPE ON THE FOLLOWING DESTINATIONS:
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- BLQ, MIL, ROM, TRN
- FRA, DUS, MUC, STR
- PRG, MAD, GVA, IST, LHR



I guess they meant to say the frequencies but didn't bother to put that word in, otherwise cancelling 11 daily flights to GVA sounds bizarre.

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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11722 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8938 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
I guess they meant to say the frequencies but didn't bother to put that word in, otherwise cancelling 11 daily flights to GVA sounds bizarre

Yes if they cancelled all of those it would be suicide, LHR, GVA, MAD, ROM, FRA especially, although all are pretty major feeder services for their long haul flights.

Dan Smile



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2185 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days ago) and read 8866 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
CANCELLATION OF FLIGHTS IN EUROPE ON THE FOLLOWING DESTINATIONS:

...
Does not mean cancellation of the destination!

Especially when the list includes LHR, MIL, FCO, GVA, FRA!



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8495 times:

Yeah, but the title was sort of misleading in the first read :P

User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7199 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
FRA, DUS, MUC, STR

Why so much Germany ?


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8663 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6614 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 4):
Why so much Germany ?

My guess that Air Berlin is taking a good chunk of the traffic. they serves just about every major German city from Paris.


User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6482 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 5):
My guess that Air Berlin is taking a good chunk of the traffic. they serves just about every major German city from Paris.

They just serve ory-dus and cdg- fra , why muc and str...


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3188 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6464 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 5):
My guess that Air Berlin is taking a good chunk of the traffic. they serves just about every major German city from Paris.

No, it's just that their routemap is misleading, showing connecting flights as direct lines. But in reality, AB service to Paris is very limited: they only have 5-weekly service to NUE, and 3 daily flight inherited from DBA, DUS-ORY. And there is Niki's service to Vienna, but that's it.

It seems like a very normal reduction of the schedule during the winter season.


User currently onlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

I suggested deletion of this treat.
First, the "title" is wrong.

Then this information on the Amadeus page is not a big scoop.
The Jan-Mar period is traditionnaly a very low season, after Chrsitmas and New Year.
This is just a warning that some flights can be sometimes cancelled to avoid overcapacity, especially on these destinations which are among AF's biggest routes on its European network (especially to GVA, DUS, LHR, MUC, FCO, MAD) and served by so many Daily flights.


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6130 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 7):
it's just that their routemap is misleading

Not my own route map because I don't specify CDG/ORY  Wink

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8):
Then this information on the Amadeus page is not a big scoop.
The Jan-Mar period is traditionnaly a very low season, after Chrsitmas and New Year.

Again, when it comes to first look, title looked misleading but rather funny. But it doesn't really qualify deletion.


User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6016 times:

I agree the post is badly worded. There is a huge difference between cancelling some flights and discontinuing service altogether.

I've flown DUS-CDGat least 10 times in the past 3 years. The 07:25 flight was usually well booked as it connects to a lot of AF flights departing late morning and noontime.

Would hate to see this flight cancelled.



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User currently offlineTolosy From Luxembourg, joined Oct 2003, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5905 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 4):
Why so much Germany ?

Because next year both the TGV and ICE will link Paris to Germany.

It will then only take three hours to get from Paris to Frankfurt or Stuttgart. That will dramatically affect the loads only connecting passengers will then use the plane. Thus the reduction of frequencies.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5560 times:

I can't imagine AF cancelling IST. It was my very first flight over 20 years ago. Last summer 3xdaily mostly 320,319s. Maybe reducing it to two during the slow winter season. I can't see them dropping down less than that if they really want to compete with TKs 2xdaily.

User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2969 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5007 times:

Any word on which DUS flight is getting axed? I have to take the DUS-CDG-DUS leg connecting to intercontinental flights in March...  eyebrow 


Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 12):
I can't imagine AF cancelling IST

Don't worry ! As said by FlySSC, AF doesn't drop these routes. It's just frequencies adjustments. IST is a successful route for AF. Can you imagine an airline dropping routes to major capitals like LHR, FRA, PRG (a skyteam hub), FCO, etc !


User currently offlineGbfra From Germany, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 3612 times:

I've flown FRA-CDG and vice versa quite often in recent years, even before Air Berlin came into play.

AFs morning and late afternoon flights should serve them well but the others probably don't. I remember them cancelling their latest evening flight more than once so I had to hurry from Terminal 2 to Terminal 1 in order to catch the last LH flight which was usally packed. They also cancelled their late morning flight at 10.50 more than once.

It appears that LH is too strong here although I never understood why. I always preferred AF on FRA-CDG but obviously I'm in a minority.



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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 3585 times:

Quoting Gbfra (Reply 15):
AFs morning and late afternoon flights should serve them well but the others probably don't. I remember them cancelling their latest evening flight more than once so I had to hurry from Terminal 2 to Terminal 1 in order to catch the last LH flight which was usally packed. They also cancelled their late morning flight at 10.50 more than once.

LH is also cancelling flights quite often on this route


User currently offlineGbfra From Germany, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 3571 times:

Ah, thank you for the information.

I usually fly AF so I'm not familiar with what LH is doing precisely.

But every time AF cancelled a flight I could take the next LH flight. But that's just my experience.

Faster trains might in fact do additional damage to these routes. Today it takes six hours from Frankfurt to Paris by train but if it will take three hours in the future the train will become competetive given the time you lose at airports and from airports to the city.



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