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Airbus Can't "guarantee" A380 Q3 07 Delivery  
User currently offlineQF744 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 415 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15330 times:

Surprise, surprise! In a press conference this morning in Sydney, Airbus could not guarantee that SQ will receive their first A380 in Q3 (October) 2007.
If there is one more delay, will we see EK actually cancel some orders? Tim Clark seems to have had enough with the delays.
QF 744

From The Sydney Morning Herald..
http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/...isit/2006/11/28/1164476179330.html


While Airbus executives were keen to extol the benefits of the new aircraft, they were less forthcoming on whether the aircraft - which is already running two years behind schedule - will be delivered by October 2007.
The A380's head of product marketing Corrin Higgs was momentarily stuck for words when asked if the latest delivery dates were set in stone.
"I wouldn't say set in stone. I can't guarantee the future," Higgs told a media conference at Sydney Airport.
"I think we will make sure our predictions are correct this time because I don't think our customers are willing to accept further delays," he said.


IT'S ALL ABOUT THE UPPER DECK
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User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15322 times:

Quoting QF744 (Thread starter):
While Airbus executives were keen to extol the benefits of the new aircraft, they were less forthcoming on whether the aircraft - which is already running two years behind schedule - will be delivered by October 2007.

Honestly I am getting sick and tired of Airbus execs. They really make Boeing look like a much more well managed company with all their hype and denials and at the end making customers angry.


User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1120 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15261 times:

Quoting QF744 (Thread starter):
I can't guarantee the future

and who can guarantee the future??
believe me EK will never cancel their order, come and see DXB they have spend billions to build new maintenance facilities, new Aero-bridges, and they have bought the vehicle that pushes the A380 (i dont know what they call that vehicle)
personally i don't think that there will be an more delays, because that will affect Airbus heavily this time and maybe Airbus will be part of History like the Concorde.


User currently offlineQF744 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15061 times:

I agree there literally can't be any more delays for Airbus with the A380.

Would SQ pull some orders if their planes are pushed into 2008?

QF744



IT'S ALL ABOUT THE UPPER DECK
User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2128 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15016 times:

Unless the delivery dates get pushed beyond dates when Boeing can deliver 748s, why would anyone cancel a 380? It's not like you can get a 748 delivered by Q1-08.

User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14986 times:

But we were just told the A380 was performing better than expected and that all problems had been resolved.

So, Carcaillet, is that a gross exaggeration, or what?


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14673 times:

Quoting Khobar (Reply 5):
But we were just told the A380 was performing better than expected and that all problems had been resolved.

So, Carcaillet, is that a gross exaggeration, or what?

This sounds like an exec being caught offguard in a press conference and hedging his bets more than anything (who in their right mind would guarantee anything on that project in public?), and yes all the problems can already be solved but still need implementing in already assembled airframes so there could potentially be a delay caused by that.

But as I said, I think this is just hedging, as it uses almost exactly the same wording I use on projects I dont want to commit to an guaranteed end date on  Wink


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14678 times:

Airbus said when they announced the delivery date of Oct.07 that they could deliver the plane much earlier, because fixing the wiring only took 5.5 months, whereas they were pushing the delivery back 10 months. (source: AvWeek, paper edition). They said this was done to optimize operations of the plane, and perhaps they also wanted to do some other fine-tuning.

User currently offlineCoolSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 55 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14650 times:

Quoting Planetime (Reply 1):
Honestly I am getting sick and tired of Airbus execs. They really make Boeing look like a much more well managed company with all their hype and denials and at the end making customers angry.

Ditto... That explains why the majority fleet of most major airlines is Boeing, especially the widebody aircrafts, they have more faith in Boeing in delivering commitment.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3397 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14605 times:

Erm am I the only one who's noticed the October is in Q4 not Q3 so why should they be deliveringt the plane in Q3 anyway.

I for once am on ABs side in that they announced a much larger delay than they needed to when the plane was pushed back to this date to ensure that it will be delivered on time.

In fact I wouldn't be totally suprised if they "get ahead of themselves" and start delivering the re-wired planes early.


User currently offlineJohnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14578 times:

@ Scouseflyer
"Erm am I the only one who's noticed the October is in Q4 not Q3..."

LOL !!! That is great stuff!


Johnny


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14496 times:

From linked article in the threadstarter:

...With 400-odd flight-test dummies aboard, the aircraft will be in Sydney until noon tomorrow before taking off for Vancouver and then France (via the North Pole)...

I haven't seen the info about the flight-test dummies reported before, just that there would be 70 real humans aboard the route-proving flights.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14400 times:

Quoting Johnny (Reply 10):
@ Scouseflyer
"Erm am I the only one who's noticed the October is in Q4 not Q3..."

LOL !!! That is great stuff!

Like this one accounting professor of me clearly stated: "When the third quarter ends at the 31st of September." Big grin

Honestly, no date is set in stone, you never know what can happen, but given how many A380s are already done on the outside, and that Airbus claims to have solved the wiring issues - I wouldn't be surprised to see them deliver better than their last announcement.

Besides, two years late?? Wasn't the first one supposed to be delivered in April 06? Only 1 1/2 years until October 07.


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14348 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 12):
Besides, two years late?? Wasn't the first one supposed to be delivered in April 06? Only 1 1/2 years until October 07.

The "two-year" measurement likely comes from the fact that according to Airbus's current projections they won't be delivering A380s in any meaningful numbers until 2008.

Prior to the announcement of the third major program delay last month an Airbus official did observe:

...Fehring [vice-president A380 programme management] declines to say when the second SIA aircraft will be ready for delivery, but hints it will not be too far behind the first, pointing out that an airline needs "a minimum of two" when introducing a new aircraft model into service. [emphasis added]

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...The+race+to+rewire+the+Airbus.html


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14331 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 9):
Erm am I the only one who's noticed the October is in Q4 not Q3 so why should they be deliveringt the plane in Q3 anyway.

 checkmark 

However, the article did not mention Q3, only the threadstarter in his/her enthousiasm.

The article did mention something else...

"Airbus boasts the 500-odd seat aircraft is 20 per cent cheaper to operate than a Boeing 747 jumbo per passenger. However, airlines such as Qantas have yet to indicate whether this could lead to cheaper airfares. Thanks to the steeper takeoffs A380s make compared to 747s, Airbus says the aircraft emits half the noise."

20 cheaper to operate, emits half the noise and no indication of cheaper airfares... Can't fault QF for ordering a truckload of those 'Sky Emperors'.  Wink



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14148 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 13):
...Fehring [vice-president A380 programme management] declines to say when the second SIA aircraft will be ready for delivery, but hints it will not be too far behind the first, pointing out that an airline needs "a minimum of two" when introducing a new aircraft model into service. [emphasis added]

Of course, many A380s are already flying or their fuselages done. When Airbus has this wiring issue solved (they claim they have), then they need to work some over-hours and get the cabins installed. They could have quite a few ready within a couple of month after the first one is done.


User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2301 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14149 times:

Quoting QF744 (Thread starter):
In a press conference this morning in Sydney, Airbus could not guarantee that SQ will receive their first A380 in Q3 (October) 2007.

The thread title, and the above sentence, are grossly misleading. This is not what Higgs said at all. See below:

Quoting QF744 (Thread starter):
The A380's head of product marketing Corrin Higgs was momentarily stuck for words when asked if the latest delivery dates were set in stone.
"I wouldn't say set in stone. I can't guarantee the future," Higgs told a media conference at Sydney Airport.

Higgs was talking about the delivery "dates" in plural, not the "date" for first delivery to SQ. The most likely way that I can interpret this is that it's talking about the overall delivery schedule and the ramp-up to four per month, which is planned to happen by 2010.

There is also a possibility that since this question was asked in Sydney, that the journalist asking the question intended to ask about the QF delivery dates, or that Higgs assumed that the journalist asked about the QF dates.



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14128 times:

I have the impression that every word an Airbus exec says is taken for a ride here on a.net (and not only on a.net)

Every Airbus friday board meeting is discussed here before & after. On the Boeing front there seems to be an info stop on e.g. the 787.

Probably a harsh internal memo after the latest 787 weight / cost issues leaked. Now only customers must be urged to show more disipline.. http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...RT-ANA-BOEING.XML&rpc=66&type=qcna

If A had an info stop it would probably be suspicious and reason for rumors..


User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14006 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 14):
"Airbus boasts the 500-odd seat aircraft is 20 per cent cheaper to operate than a Boeing 747 jumbo per passenger. However, airlines such as Qantas have yet to indicate whether this could lead to cheaper airfares. Thanks to the steeper takeoffs A380s make compared to 747s, Airbus says the aircraft emits half the noise."

LOL. and there is a person in here who as of today actually has faith in a Airbus claim?  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13842 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 17):
I have the impression that every word an Airbus exec says is taken for a ride here on a.net (and not only on a.net)

You could always start another one of your particularly insightful threads with the proper "storyline" to achieve some balance, I'll even provide you with some fodder from the same press conference:

"Airbus A380 In Australia; Qantas Reaffirms Plan To Buy 20"

"...Just as when we first ordered it in 2000, the aircraft remains the most suitable aircraft for Qantas to operate into the future on long haul routes between Australia and the United States and United Kingdom," Qantas executive general manager John Borghetti said in a statement.

"Our commitment to the A380 was further confirmed recently when we ordered an additional eight aircraft," he said...


http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20061127-716524.html

[Edited 2006-11-28 11:57:42]

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12742 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13689 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 17):
I have the impression that every word an Airbus exec says is taken for a ride here on a.net (and not only on a.net)

If Airbus execs didn't make such strange utterances, there'd be no discussion, eh?

Quoting Keesje (Reply 17):
On the Boeing front there seems to be an info stop on e.g. the 787.

There's an old saying, "No news is good news!". Of course, time will tell if this is true or not in this case.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 17):
Probably a harsh internal memo after the latest 787 weight / cost issues leaked.

Hopefully. Why give ammunition to your competitor? All that should be needed is saying that such talk impacts the stock price and bonus, which should be enough to keep most employees quiet. On the other hand, if they worked in a place where the head of government said he would never let fail, you just might feel free to talk.



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User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13628 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 17):
On the Boeing front there seems to be an info stop on e.g. the 787.

Every time boeing feels there is something to be told they do so . They have talked in great depth about the Weight worries and production ramp up issues , they have made the investors aware of these issues and the fact that they have committed recources to tackle the issues . They have said that they believe that the program is on track and on time. What do you want them to do ? Start to list day by day changes and efforts ? When there is something to say they say it wether that be through media interviews or through WARNINGS which are mandated for a publically trading company. I dont think that boeing is on a ENTHUSIAST feeding frenzy with the 787 although randy basseler and others do use the net and other features to every now and then deal with some of the enthusiasts but over and above that the publically revealed information is basically targeted to the investor and those watching the financial health of the company aswell as other Aviation related publications . If there is something to say boeing will say it.


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13454 times:

Quoting CoolSkyGuy (Reply 8):
Quoting Planetime (Reply 1):
Honestly I am getting sick and tired of Airbus execs. They really make Boeing look like a much more well managed company with all their hype and denials and at the end making customers angry.

Ditto... That explains why the majority fleet of most major airlines is Boeing, especially the widebody aircrafts, they have more faith in Boeing in delivering commitment.

Isn't it quite simply the fact that Boeing had a 30 year head start on Airbus, and that until relatively recently Airbus did not have a broad product range to offer ?


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13375 times:

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 23):
Every time boeing feels there is something to be told they do so

Which they do not feel like because since few months ago (when 787 encountered first problems) there has been total embargo on information about 787. All we know is that they are struggling to build the prototype but claim it will be on time. Time will tell I guess.


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13363 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 25):
Which they do not feel like because since few months ago (when 787 encountered first problems) there has been total embargo on information about 787. All we know is that they are struggling to build the prototype but claim it will be on time. Time will tell I guess.

See: "Good, steady progress" on 787 as Boeing works to lighten up"

(Tuesday, November 7, 2006) Boeing's 787 is on schedule. Early practice production is going smoothly. A plan to take off extra weight is in place. And the new jet's boost to airline operating economics will be significantly better than originally projected.

That was the vigorously upbeat status report Monday from 787 program chief Mike Bair...


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...aerospace/2003356605_boeing07.html

[Edited 2006-11-28 12:55:26]

25 Danny : " target=_blank>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm....html There is no information in there as well. ""We have some challenges but we know what they
26 Revelation : LOL. If it wasn't a "struggle", then they probably didn't set aggressive enough goals, ala A330-Lite, A340-500/600, etc. Sorry, gotta go now, off to
27 Curmudgeon : Crap. Anyone want to buy a modified DeLorean?
28 Leelaw : What do you expect him to say? The A380 has been flying around for 17-months and there hasn't been anything forthcoming from Airbus other than genera
29 Danny : I read a lot about wiring harness, design systems of different versions that were used in Hamburg and Toulouse and caused incompatibilitiess etc. The
30 Leelaw : Only after a year with a plethora of non-specific statements from various Airbus/EADS executives emphatically declaring no further delays. If Mr. Bai
31 Post contains links Bringiton : Last time boeing had a public platform (their Q3 announcment) they were very clear and announced and tabled the issues regarding the 787 . Since then
32 Baroque : Just so and a journo looking for something controversial. I keep wondering when that particular thread will emerge. At least there have not been any
33 KC135TopBoom : Something just doesn't add up here. If Airbus has 26 A-380s complete, or in the production pipeline, why will it take more than 10 months to deliver t
34 Scorpio : I don't really see what the big deal is. If you were to ask the same question to a Boeing executive about the 787, you'd more than likely get the same
35 Thorben : Should have said: "We are the worst planemaker in the world, and we apologize for trying to build the largest airliner in the world. Four engines are
36 KC135TopBoom : Perhaps he could have further explained his remarks, or at least let everyone know when they can expect the airplanes they have ordered?
37 Post contains images Baroque : Above his pay grade?
38 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : LOL!!!! Excellent!
39 Scorpio : 'I can't guarantee the future' isn't enough? What more explanation could you possibly want? Um, the exact same as what it was before? He DIDN'T say t
40 Post contains links RedFlyer : That exec isn't the only one who doesn't sound very confident... "We'll deliver the first A380 in October next year, I trust," says Leahy. "I trust"?
41 Scorpio : How could he possibly give an unequivocal answer to the question "Is the date set in stone" without flat out LYING? If he said 'Yes, it is', he'd be
42 Khobar : " target=_blank>http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...=qcna What was the point of the story? ANA didn't want to swap delivery slots...with who? What
43 Joni : Boeing failed to launch the 747X and Sonic Cruiser, both of which were trumpeted eagerly as the "next big thing". In fact they also failed to launch
44 N328KF : There is a huge difference between the 747X and Sonic Cruiser and the Airbus woes. Boeing did not book orders for either the 747X or Sonic Cruiser. W
45 Wingman : I don't see anything wrong in these comments myself but I will say this. Streiff or Lagardere or whoever is in charge, in fact, of this company should
46 Scorpio : Semantics. There is a big difference between a contractual guarantee and an 'I guarantee, cross my heart and hope to die' guarantee. Put it simple: C
47 Khobar : Boeing chose not to launch those because the airlines said they didn't want them. Boeing made the right decision in not forcing the birth, and you be
48 Khobar : Manufacturers have faith in their balls, crystal and otherwise, to agree to specific dates in those contracts long before they have an actual "all pr
49 RedFlyer : Notwithstanding what others have pointed out in other replies regarding your incorrect assumptions about these Boeing programs, what exactly does thi
50 Osiris30 : Ummm.. no.. Boeing is required.. by law... to make public any and all items/events and/or occurances that might materially or otherwise impact corpor
51 Scorpio : I'm sorry, but that's simply not true. Between now and October 2007 a lot can happen. There is ALWAYS a possibility of things slipping because of new
52 Scorpio : But saying "I have extreme confidence we will hit our date" is NOT the same as saying "the date is set in stone": the former still leaves room for ex
53 Express1 : Sorry but ain't it about time Airbus called it a day with the A380,as this is getting pathetic now,delay after delay after delay,i think the airlines
54 Scorpio : Where exactly do you see anything about a new delay?
55 Osiris30 : And that's entirely my problem with that statement. It's ambiguous. Now before I say this next bit, I'm willing to attribute this entirely to a misqu
56 Express1 : Well did Airbus say thay couldn't deliver the A380 to SIA In October this year? (delay one),now thay announced that thay can't deliver it in Q3 of 20
57 Scorpio : Have we now actually come to the stage where we are going to draw conclusions about an aircraft program based on the grammar used by someone when giv
58 Scorpio : So nowhere. Thanks for playing.
59 Osiris30 : No...it's not.. you left out the part where I said: I mean hey if it's convenient to leave that out that's fine. The point is the same. If you are ta
60 Express1 : OK lets see your comments if you think you have better brains than the rest of us dave
61 Scorpio : This wasn't an official, prepared statement, it was a spontaneous remark to an unexpected question. What should he have done? Answered: "Sorry, can't
62 Revelation : Yes, but the A380 is experiencing "Airbus-type" problems!
63 Asturias : So, no they're not set in stone. No surprise there, while Airbus has certainly solved all the issues with the 380 production they have yet to be appl
64 Post contains images KC135TopBoom : The A-380 already has slipped, some 2 years. It is getting very close to that date. Airbus will have to decide whether to completely fix any remainin
65 Scorpio : Huh? I asked you where you saw anything about a new delay, you beat around the bush a little bit, didn't answer the question and seem to state as a r
66 Osiris30 : I used to deal with the press. Nothing is unofficial if it's from an official source. It's part of your job. If you can't see the problem with the st
67 Zvezda : I don't expect SQ to cancel their WhaleJet orders now, but TG, MH, the Chinese carriers, and UPS are likely to cancel. VS have all but crossed the Ts
68 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : Grrr, cannot seem to get the link to post, so I cut and pasted the story. Airbus slashes 20-year forecast for large aircraft sales to China - CAPA BE
69 Flysherwood : They don't "look" like they are more well managed. The ARE much more well managed than Airbus!!!
70 Khobar : The plane is flying and about to be certified. Airbus says there are no problems now, and all problems there had been have been resolved. Airbus furt
71 Post contains images Leelaw : Additionally, how can the "question" be characterized as "unexpected" given recent history? The question was predictable and legitimate, the response
72 Post contains images Flysherwood : Thorben, you finally wrote something that makes sense!!! Keep it up!
73 Post contains images Osiris30 : That's extremely troubling... as the further out you get the worse your ability to predict gets... For Airbus to say this is huge and potentially dev
74 Scorpio : The problems there have been had nothing to do with certification. The solutions still need to be implemented. It always has been. Again, the problem
75 Khobar : And? So when Airbus says the problems have been fixed, they don't really mean the problems have been fixed. Okay... According to Airbus (and talked a
76 Post contains images Thorben : So, everything before February 08 would be less than two years. I'll do my best.
77 Post contains images TeamAmerica : Agreed. Sensationalizing non-news like this would seem a waste of time, but here we are approaching 100 posts... Info stop on the 787??? I see articl
78 Asturias : The wiring problems became apparent and a search for their solution happened less than six months ago. The entire 380 line was halted and production
79 Post contains images Leelaw : Apparently, for the most chauvinistic of "Airbusiers" here on A.net, specimens and/or delivery of production aircraft in commercially meaningless qua
80 Leelaw : IIRC, the "wiring harness problem" was first disclosed at the time that the first major program delay was announced in June 2005.[Edited 2006-11-28 2
81 Asturias : This is true, but apperently management didn't take it seriously enough until a year later, when they were all promptly fired as well. So, it seems d
82 Post contains links Khobar : Airbus woke up one morning and announced the weight problem had simply gone away during the night, so anything's possible. But, more to the point: "A
83 HB88 : While I agree in principle with you, particularly in the context of communications within a business, I think the comment in this context was exactly
84 Post contains images Scorpio : Oh come on Why are so many people seemingly completely unable to think logically when Airbus is concerned? You don't seriously expect an Airbus state
85 RedFlyer : “There won't be a delay. We will have a total of 200 firm orders for the A350 before the end of the year." -- Noel Forgeard, June 2005 I think the
86 HB88 : ....like I said... a very very bad thing....
87 Ncfc99 : It seems a strange process to getting around the problem, why not continue to make new frames to the new revised specs, whilst also adjusting the 26?
88 Post contains links Khobar : Except that SIA's first plane had the wiring done and was awaiting paint and polish as of June 30th, 2006, as I already posted. Then there are headli
89 Ncfc99 : From reading Khobar's posts, the first SQ A380 was ready in june 2006(except paint and polish, not a long job). Please can someone explain why the 2n
90 Post contains links Leelaw : According to Flight International on June 19th the status of MSN0003 "...first for Singapore Airlines (SIA) [was at] Airbus's Hamburg Finkenwerder fa
91 Scorpio : Look, if you don't see the difference in a company finding a solution for a problem and a company actually finishing all the work that solution (i.e.
92 Pygmalion : Airbus needs a big credibility injection. Frankly, from someone who has worked in large airplane production and engineering for 25 years... The time-l
93 Threepoint : You seem to indicate a high degree of pessimism blended with some inside knowledge that the rest of us are not privy to. Will you reveal your source
94 Threepoint : Yes it does. But so did Boeing not too long ago. Now Boeing seems to have its affairs in order (see the current WN thread regarding why Boeing is say
95 Asturias : Well, as he is the top salesman at Airbus it isn't that strange. He has managed his job quite well. He is not responsible for any project or its comp
96 Pygmalion : All true. Airbus can pull out of this... but they have to do it themselves. No one can get the A380, A400, A350 back on track and in the groove... bu
97 Flysherwood : AHH!!! But you forget Asturias. Airbus is being run by the salesmen. Why else would you run into the problems that they have regarding this issue. 2
98 Khobar : Airbus said the problem was fixed, history, etc. I did ask why someone might be hesitant about SIA's first bird delivery, and you "suggested" that th
99 Post contains images Brilondon : And what are you basing this statement on. I hope that you are correct in your assessment of the situation but with airbuses track record I won't hol
100 RedFlyer : My comment was intended as sarcasm, as in since Leahy is still there we should still expect absolutes since he has made some of the more outrageous c
101 BoeingFever777 : That is just about laughable. You do not know what EK or Clark is thinking so i would doubt for sure you can make that statement. Yes, Typical PR BS
102 Post contains images Scorpio : Oh come on No I didn't. I never said it was completed in any single plane. Beautifully said!
103 Osiris30 : HB88: I don't disagree, but my point with the statement was it didn't imply any confidence in the delivery schedule at all. I understand councel will
104 Post contains links Khobar : Certainly not years. "But many industry experts are doubtful that wiring problems are the real issue. One told Aviation Business that these problems
105 Post contains images Osiris30 : And what is your point? Are you trying to add any value with this post or just make observations on the various posters and not the subject being dis
106 Post contains images HB88 : Yep. I see what you're saying and to a point agree. However, I find it pretty hard to really figure out exactly what was said or the real tone of the
107 Post contains images Osiris30 : Again, most other companies and most other products I wouldn't have given it a second thought. But this is the 380. Like it or not it's got quite a r
108 Post contains links Khobar : When I asked, 'Can you think of any examples of "a lot can happen"?' in reference to only one A380, SIA's first, you replied: "As I said, the wiring
109 Asturias : If we assume that the plane made for SQ was for all intents and purposes ready, it was custom made. Not final production frame. Then the delays happen
110 Threepoint : I did. A few times. Oh, but you did. To excruciating levels. Unnecessary and extremely tangential ones. Not an attack, just an observation. But don't
111 BoogyJay : Indeed in TLS, the deadline has been set to June 2007 for the suppliers and August 2007 for Airbus employees so that they have a margin, or deliver e
112 Leelaw : Interesting. Are the landing gear assemblies for the 787 being constructed using composite materials?
113 HB88 : True enough. But with being under the magnifying glass comes the risk of overanalysis.
114 HB88 : You mean they haven't done final selection of the L/G supplier with EIS so close? This seems pretty unlikely. As for composites in the landing gear -
115 Post contains links Leelaw : FWIW, in re landing gear: ...Messier-Dowty is assembling the first nose and main landing gear components for shipment to Boeing’s systems integratio
116 HB88 : Oops, I forgot the side-struts. Yes indeed, they are composites. And I forgot metallic composites - too used to thinking in carbon-fibre space. Anywa
117 Pygmalion : The landing gear story doesnt pass the sniff test. Landing gear is early build stuff, design started years ago. Its not composite in any shape or form
118 Zvezda : There is variation among the WhaleJet slots in the length of the delay. The first one is now 20 months late. Most are about 24 months late.
119 Post contains images NAV20 : I would just like to pay tribute to the journalist concerned!   In cricketing terms he 'clean-bowled' the Airbus guy with a classic 'Have you stopped
120 Post contains images Osiris30 : That's your opinion. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks the statement is wishy-washy and open to many possible interpretations. Just because yo
121 BoogyJay : Yes. See their website. No, what was said is they did say they could do it and now that they have the contract, there are uncertainties. No. That was
122 Astuteman : Your statement doesn't seem to align with the information contained in the link that Leelaw very kindly posted, which indicates there are some substa
123 Joni : Umm, the 747X was IIRC fairly dissimilar to the 747-8, and likewise the SC and B787. Boeing didn't "book" orders because no-one ordered any! I had fo
124 Khobar : Seems you've misread my posts again. I asked why there was hesitation in confirming the Oct. delivery date and was told "a lot can happen." I then as
125 Post contains images Pygmalion : I'll bring it up at the next production readiness review that MD is having problems and "uncertainty" with building the landing gear and that we need
126 Pygmalion : BTW, MD is a risk sharing partner on the 787... if the gear doesn't go right... they dont make any money. ( they share any losses too) One would think
127 N328KF : Yes, I know, but the Sonic Cruiser technology was obviously reused for the 787, and likewise for the 747X->747-8. Semantics.
128 Scorpio : If you care to look further, you'll find I told you pretty much the same thing earlier. I can only see criticism of the things you said. If that clas
129 Threepoint : Hmmm...can't argue with you there - I did kinda lower it didn't I. I'm surprised I didn't receive a moderator warning for that low blow. Anyway, truc
130 Post contains images Zvezda : One of them is the fastest selling widebody in history. The other has net -2 orders over the last 17 months. I see one success and one immense.
131 Post contains images Osiris30 : Truce Just don't call me a lawyer again that was low
132 Post contains links Khobar : As I've already said, I was not the one making the claim. As I previously posted: "As of June 30 (2006), only one A380, Singapore's first delivery, h
133 Post contains images BoogyJay : That's exactly what I said.
134 Post contains images Pygmalion : Geez. So a "guy", that's a friend of a friend, who's pessimistic, says that a partner to Boeing has a problem that Boeing knows about but that Boeing
135 Joni : I didn't double-check the facts here, but as I recall the 747-8 has a good deal of different solutions when compared to the failed 747X, such as mate
136 Post contains images BoogyJay : This guy is just a very close friend, not a friend of a friend, and don't forget he works for MD, specifically on the development of the B787 LG. So
137 Threepoint : We shall see. By the way, you mentioned several airlines were either likely to cancel their 380 orders or are in the process of doing so. Is there an
138 Khobar : Except the wiring has been completed on MSN003 for some time now.
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